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SkinsJock wrote:

yupchagee wrote:It's the DC's job to put players in position to make plays. If they aren't making them, it's on them or the position players.

OK - the fans want a change at DC - the HC is stating that the DC is doing his job and the players are not - who do you think is right?

What exactly are we expecting from Gruden? That with a game left to play he's going to publicly state he wants another defensive coordinator? We all know how this game is played, and we'll just have to wait and see next week if Haz is back or not.

A Nose Tackle who demands double teams, and occasionally triple... who can lock down the middle gaps, and take away the inside run game. We don't need him to pressure the QB... but suck up enough blockers to allow others to.

Countertrey wrote:A Nose Tackle who demands double teams, and occasionally triple... who can lock down the middle gaps, and take away the inside run game. We don't need him to pressure the QB... but suck up enough blockers to allow others to.

How great would it be to have a huge NT like Wilfork or Ngata


the key though is to bring in a GM that can fire anyone from the HC on down when they do not do their jobs

for example - whoever was responsible for the decision to have Haslett be the DC should not be here ...

AND

the problem with this franchise is not from bad players or bad plays, the problem here is we have ZERO accountability at the top

Countertrey wrote:A Nose Tackle who demands double teams, and occasionally triple... who can lock down the middle gaps, and take away the inside run game. We don't need him to pressure the QB... but suck up enough blockers to allow others to.

Any draft prospects that fit that bill?

This defense is really far off from being -- Average. Good? really?

Besides a new DC, we need 2-3 DL, we need a pass rusher, we need 1 ILB, we need 1, maybe 2 corner backs and 2 safeties...yep, really far off.

To be fair to Haz, a lot of blame goes to position coaches &/or players. I don't know how much, if any, input he had in these decisions.

fredp45 wrote:This defense is really far off from being -- Average. Good? really?

Besides a new DC, we need 2-3 DL, we need a pass rusher, we need 1 ILB, we need 1, maybe 2 corner backs and 2 safeties...yep, really far off.

The right NT instantly makes 6 other players better... just sayin...

I have heard that Riley has been pretty sorry in pass coverage. Is this true?

The ONLY way to make this franchise more successful is to change the guys that have put us in this mess in the first place

It does not matter who the DC is or how many great players on offense and defense we bring in here when the guys making the decisions continue to be Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen

nothing gets better here with Dan Snyder & Bruce Allen continuing to make bad decisions here

If Bruce Allen does not think any coach or player is not a good fit for this team he should be able to get rid of him

we all know that that is not the way it works here and that is because Snyder and Allen are a part of the personnel decisions

so it does not matter who we add, if these are the 2 guys making the decisions

SkinsJock wrote:The ONLY way to make this franchise more successful is to change the guys that have put us in this mess in the first place

It does not matter who the DC is or how many great players on offense and defense we bring

Are you just copying and pasting this repeatedly?

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:The ONLY way to make this franchise more successful is to change the guys that have put us in this mess in the first place

It does not matter who the DC is or how many great players on offense and defense we bring

Are you just copying and pasting this repeatedly?

Lol, yes.

Prowl33 wrote:I have heard that Riley has been pretty sorry in pass coverage. Is this true?

No instincts whatsoever. Runs away from the ball.

How delusional is the question posed in this thread?

Yes, this defense is several years away from being good. Basically you only have a few players you can start to rebuild ... AGAIN.

I see that this thread was started shortly after the win against Philthy. It only takes ONE win, really a Mark Sanchez loss, to get the fan infantry excited. How hungry we are for ANY slim drop of water to see even a promise of hope. Pathetic.

Redskin in Canada wrote:How delusional is the question posed in this thread?

Yes, this defense is several years away from being good. Basically you only have a few players you can start to rebuild ... AGAIN.

I see that this thread was started shortly after the win against Philthy. It only takes ONE win, really a Mark Sanchez loss, to get the fan infantry excited. How hungry we are for ANY slim drop of water to see even a promise of hope. Pathetic.

This actually has nothing at all to do with that, but rather a reflection on the players we currently have and their talents individually. Not every player has to be worth a 10m a year contract. Get us 1-2 good safeties, a replacement for orakpo, and a NT that is supposed to be what cofield was. Replace our defensive coaching staff and we are good. Really to be a top half defense you get a good DC and replace half of those players.

We have great talent in breeland and kerrigan. We have good players in amerson, robinson, hall, hatcher i think will turn it around.

We have the core pieces, just need someone that can put them together right and add a couple more.

^^^ and so it begins ... you really do not understand what is happening here ...

like many others here, you refuse to understand that, unlike all other NFL franchises, we do not have anyone in charge of what goes on - these 2 bozos here do not have a plan and will not let anyone come in and rebuild this franchise

Prowl33 wrote:... Get us 1-2 good safeties, a replacement for orakpo, and a NT that is supposed to be what cofield was. Replace our defensive coaching staff and we are good. Really to be a top half defense you get a good DC and replace half of those players.

We have great talent in breeland and kerrigan. We have good players in amerson, robinson, hall, hatcher i think will turn it around.

Really? That easy? Mmmmmmmhhhhhh

You think Orakpo is the ONLY LB in need of replacement to become a good team. Riley???? I meant Really???

You think you have Hall beyond next season?

You are sure Hatcher, his injuries and his price tag will not become an issue?

Amerson? Yep, ask Romo and Dez Bryant. They like him too.

And then a nose tackle. A good one. Was this not already a PRIORITY before this season started? Is this not a priority in any self-respecting 3-4 defense???

1-2 safeties? No ACTUALLY TWO, thank you very much.

You really have fewer keepers than you think: Kerrigan, K Robinson and up-and-coming Breeland. After those three spots you have a lot of holes to fill in a NEW defensive system next year. Sure, it is not realistic to solve the problem during this offseason but a competent front office and a good DC and staff should get it back to competitive in TWO years. Problem is: youhave a dysfunctional front office and a soon to be announced change among the coaching staff. Dream on. Snake oil is free in Redskin Park.

I know I'm probably just hoping but I do believe Murphy will be a good player. His problem will be, where will he play?

fredp45 wrote:I know I'm probably just hoping but I do believe Murphy will be a good player. His problem will be, where will he play?

A good tackler. He needs to bulk up and remain injury free but a definite possibility for a keeper. His future is in the hands of the next DC inasmuch as how and where he gets to play.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

fredp45 wrote:I know I'm probably just hoping but I do believe Murphy will be a good player. His problem will be, where will he play?

A good tackler. He needs to bulk up and remain injury free but a definite possibility for a keeper. His future is in the hands of the next DC inasmuch as how and where he gets to play.

and just for grins - there are numerous 'reports' already that Haslett might keep his job, as well ...

these guys are good - we're in great hands with Snyder and Allen telling Gruden who plays and coaches here ...

what a mess ...

The biggest issue with our defense has been giving up the big plays. Some of it is player based, some is coach based. If a player isnt studying the right things, practicing the right plays, and the right plays arent being called, it doesnt matter who is on the team.

Our rush defense ranked well, our pass defense wasnt grat, then we were scored on a ton. Back out a lot of those 20+ yard plays and scores, and we are EASILY a top 50% defense. That blame falls on everyone, but in this order. 1) coaches/trainers 2) safeties for not covering thedeep ball or making tackles 3) corners for not coverimg and getting ints 4) linebackers for nor creating pressure and covering the slot 5) d linemen for not pressuring the qb

I would bet anything you put a defensive coaching staff in that knows what they are doing, allow them to replace 2 safeties, 1 lb inner or outer, and get a good NT and this team in 1 year can rank 16th or better overall, and in points allowed.

fredp45 wrote:This defense is really far off from being -- Average. Good? really?

Besides a new DC, we need 2-3 DL, we need a pass rusher, we need 1 ILB, we need 1, maybe 2 corner backs and 2 safeties...yep, really far off.

Our corners have shown flashes of brilliance. The Cowboys first game showed how our corners can play when on top of their game. Our linebackers are good we have Rak, Kerrigan, Kennan Robinson and Riley. We are fine at LB.

What we really need is a standout NT, saftey and a basic defensive scheme based on sound principles. I mean seriously watching our defense in the latter half of the season was gut wrenching. Haslett has to go. Its time for a new defensive mind to come in. One of Seattles defensive staff would be great. Pete Carroll knows how to put together a great defense with undrafted players at that. We need one of his staff to come in.

Needed a change at Coordinator, glad Haslett is gone....

Corners -- Breeland is a good player, under any system. Granted it's hard to tell when you don't get pressure but, Amerson appears to be only a bump type CB. Physical but not a great cover guy. Hall is worth keeping for one more year (could he play FS?). No one else on this roster is worth much, e.g., Biggers, Porter, etc... -- cut 'um. Need one starting caliber CB and 2 subs.

Safeties -- Clark is too slow, makes a lot of tackles but always after the opponent is beyond the first down marker. Good leader, maybe he stays for one more year as extra, not starter. Mayweather - marginal, Belicheck cut him years ago, enough said. Thomas & Ihenacho -- very hopeful, would love one to end up being a starter. The remainder -- college players. Doughty might have been an upgrade. Need 1, maybe 2 starter (depends on Thomas & Ihenacho) need a couple backups too.

ILB - Robinson looks good. Riley doesn't impress. Compton looks active, could be a good 3rd ILB. Riley needs to be replaced.

DL -- Who do we have that is a sure thing? Baker? OK. Jenkins -- good run stopper, zero pressure. Coefield & Bowen -- both over 30, and going to count 8-9 mil each if we keep them without redoing their deals. Together they played maybe 6 games. Hatcher -- who knows, also over 30. Gholston -- over 30, good guy, needs to be replaced. Kearse -- looked good at times. This is not a great unit. Keep Baker, Kearse, Hatcher (for one more year), maybe resign Jenkins to a reasonable deal. Maybe redo Coefield, if not, cut him, Bowen & Gholston. Need 2-3 guys...minimum!

OLB -- Rak won't be back, unless he's willing to make what he deserves...NOT $11 a year! Maybe 7 mil a year. He sure should give us a discount for paying him all that money for so few games and so little production.
Kerrigan is very good, not elite. Murphy looks good, again not elite. Some of the guys that played at the end of the season...if able to play ST, good backups.

YEAH, we're pretty far off! This is not a single year fix!

FINAL thought...

There is a syndrome that many sports fans have (me included). Let's call it -- The Familiarity Syndrome.

It's where you think the players on your team are better than they really are, because you know them.

I believe Riley (and Amerson maybe) is a great example of that. A lot of posters keep saying, he's good, keep him, we don't need another ILB...I believe he's marginal at best.

Sure there's a much more scientific method than this but I ask -- Does he make plays? Does he surprise? I don't believe Riley makes many plays and I certainly don't watch a Skins game and say, Wow, Riley was in on a lot of plays, he's a stud. In fact, I believe he makes very very few. I will say, Robinson was in on a lot of plays.

I'll give you another BS assessment ... Chris C00ley stating that the offensive line is not that bad and the offensive woes are more due to the bad QB play than an offensive line that everybody with any sense knows has a lot of players that could not play for any other team

anyone that states they think this O line is not the main reason for the failure of our offense is just STUPID and out of touch

Chris took too many blows to the head...this offensive line is horrible, especially the right side.

Trent is obviously good (even though he makes stupid plays too), beyond that, not sure we have any quality starters.