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I thought that when Mike advised Dan Snyder that in order to get a good HC, the Redskins needed to stop with the Cerrato/Snyder stuff and hire a GM - Dan brought in Bruce Allen and fired Cerrato - Mike became the HC and I thought that Mike and Bruce would manage together and Mike would help Bruce because Bruce was not regarded as a great personnel (players and coaches) guy ...

We now know that Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen made decisions that Mike and Bruce would not have made if Mike had the authority

We now know that Dan Snyder is still basically in charge

We now know the GM and HC do not have the authority to both make a plan and get the people in here to make that plan work

We now know that we cannot expect things to change here until Dan Snyder relinquishes control over the GM and HC

SkinsJock wrote:we need a plan and a man in charge of implementing that plan

right now we don't have a plan and we have Dan Snyder

Pretty incredible to learn that Allen and Gruden don't have a plan. They apparently entered free agency and the draft last year and threw darts at the list of available players.

We need time to rebuild the team. We need good scouting and good luck to draft and sign the right players. Hiring Football Jesus as our next GM isn't going to turn this team around any faster.

SkinsJock wrote:We now know that we cannot expect things to change here until Dan Snyder relinquishes control over the GM and HC

I feel like we've known that for a long time. I'm like you though, really believed when Shanahan and Allen came in that Snyder was going to be hands off the football decisions. That has clearly not been the case. It seems like all he has done is kept a low profile about it.

Its very frustrating.

One other item to note regarding the Washington Redskins since Snyder took over - this is an incredible town and the Redskins are a team that the media loves to give a lot of press to, but it seems that this franchise, more than any other in the NFL, has an undue amount of 'leaks' - if this was a boat it would have sunk, well, in a way, it has sunk

with this franchise, one thing you can count on at this time of year is an awful lot of press and I'm fairly sure where a lot of that originates

now we're going thru the annual 'is this coach coming back' and 'what if that player isn't here' routine

the one constant here under Snyder is that this is a mess and it's going to take a while to clean it up

AND

it will be covered ad nauseum by the mostly biased media

I will guarantee that if Snyder is still somewhat in charge here next Spring, the spin will give hope to a lot of clueless fans

actually, I'll bet there are many suckers here that will rationalize almost anything ....

there is not a chance in hell of Snyder building a franchise that will compete for a playoff spot year in and year out like the Patriots and others BECAUSE he will not allow the NFL people to have full authority to manage here

anyone that thinks we will just add great players and great coaching and all will be fine - is patently stupid

how in the world do you think Dan Snyder is going to suddenly become a great evaluator of NFL type personnal
Snyder does not have a clue how to make a plan or find the right people & he never will

anyone that thinks Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder are going to make this franchise great are kidding themselves


but, next season, we'll hear from these idiots how everything is going to be better this time

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:We now know that we cannot expect things to change here until Dan Snyder relinquishes control over the GM and HC

I feel like we've known that for a long time. I'm like you though, really believed when Shanahan and Allen came in that Snyder was going to be hands off the football decisions. That has clearly not been the case. It seems like all he has done is kept a low profile about it.

Its very frustrating.

Some are slower on the uptake as others....

Danny boy is incapable of being hands off. And now that everyone finally understands that he IS the ROOT of the problem and, more importantly, that his "desire" to win/spend idiotic amounts of $$$ (which in turn, was one of the reason we were hit with cap penalties) isn't a true asset since it is coupled with a complete lack of football intelligence and inability to manage.

Personally, I never believed Danny went hands off. His ego wouldn't allow it. The one (and perhaps only) thing Danny boy is VERY good at is marketing. After the Cerrato debacle he knew what was necessary to rebrand HIMSELF --- and that was to hire someone like Schott, in an effort to make it appear as if he had changed and learned from prior mistakes. He was essentially pulling the wool over the fans eyes --- and all the while our ignorant fan base unaware of Danny boy's insecuritites and ego was loving him for it.

Currently from Danny's perspective, the thing he values more than anything in this world is tarnished --- his reputation. And I can guarantee that he feels the only way to rehabilitate it is by orchastrating a comeback by his own doing. That is why he'll never sell. Meanwhile, his own stupidity blinds him from true NFL reality ---> fans don't care who the architect is behind a winning team. Because when you win, EVERYONE is deemed successful, not just one person. If he weren't so insecure, he'd understand this. If he had even an ounce of humility he'd understand the tremendous amount of talent, work, desire, and sacrafice it takes to win in the NFL. And that he is personally not talented enough to accomplish the goals his "clients" are requesting...... before they change "firms".

Danny boy was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth, unaware of what it truly takes to succeed when you aren't given every advantage available against your competition. In the poker-table of life, Danny boy has always started at the table holding the chip lead --- chips that were given to him (or in the redskin-purchase case, lent); not ones he earned himself. The only problem is that in the NFL --- everyone is given the same amount of chips. He is now required to compete on level ground --- and it shows.

But alas, Danny boy's ego will forever continue to get in the way. His delusion of NFL success will persist in the face of decades of proof to the contrary. You want proof????? Just read his F---ing bio: http://www.redskins.com/team/staff/daniel-snyder/fd1d5d4f-cae1-43b7-ac59-dac8c1e6db89

here's some more fodder ...

The Washinton Post's Jason Reid encapsulates Gruden's predicament in just two sentences: "(Redskins owner Dan) Snyder and (GM Bruce) Allen want to see Griffin become a dropback passer, and those are the right people to have in your corner. Jay Gruden is merely the head coach. And at soul-crushing Redskins Park, that's one of the worst jobs to have."

now, how in the world is a guy meant to do his job and be a HC when stuff like this is being put out there

markshark84 wrote:The one (and perhaps only) thing Danny boy is VERY good at is marketing. After the Cerrato debacle he knew what was necessary to rebrand HIMSELF --- and that was to hire someone like Schott, in an effort to make it appear as if he had changed and learned from prior mistakes.

I like that, pretty well said.

markshark84 wrote:He was essentially pulling the wool over the fans eyes --- and all the while our ignorant fan base unaware of Danny boy's insecuritites and ego was loving him for it.

Not entirely fair. Fans can only go by the little they see from the team. Snyder definitely toned down what he was doing publicly and gave the impression that Shanahan and Allen were running the show. Like you just wrote, he did a very good job of rebranding himself for a while there. It was really only when Shanahan started to crack last year that we started hearing differently.

SkinsJock wrote:how in the world do you think Dan Snyder is going to suddenly become a great evaluator of NFL type personnal
Snyder does not have a clue how to make a plan or find the right people & he never will

Wow somebody didn't take his meds today. If you don't believe Snyder is ever going to hire the right people or have a plan for the team to be successful, then why bother following them? You're accusing other fans of being "patently stupid". I can't think of anything stupider than supporting a team you don't ever believe will be successful.

Weirdly this is all coming from the same guy who still writes on a daily basis that RGIII is going to develop into the Redskins franchise QB if he just works at it a little bit harder. lol. The guy can't beat out the third string QB with the neck injury this week.

And I don't personally believe Dan Snyder is going to become a great evaluator of NFL personnel. I'm going to hope that Jay Gruden and Bruce Allen can do a reasonable job at identifying and drafting guys to come play here so that we don't suck every year.

HEROHAMO wrote:I truly believe if the right GM and coach were to come. We would be able to turn it around.

We had that with Marty, and Snyder went and fired him after one season because he wasn't a yes-man.