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oneman56 wrote:

elprez19 wrote:I'm sure snyder is less involved then he used to be but benching your "franchise qb" does not happen unless you have the owner and general managers blessing. I think Cousins would have won the last two games if he were starting personally. Cousins has turnover issues but at least he puts up points. I keep waiting for Robert to light it up and every game he is like a dud fire cracker on the 4th of July. The only thing he does well is tuck the ball and take sacks. How come this teams sacks triple when he is playing? You know the answer

What makes you think Cousins would've won those games, his only win this year was against Jax and I don't think he won any games last year? His turnovers are killers and it's why he's not even dressed the last couple weeks and our defense is why we lost to Minnesota not our QB. With that said, if RG3 struggles tomorrow I can see him getting yanked as i believe he's on a shorter leash than he's ever been on. Gruden basically said last week he thought about it but the game didn't get out of hand until late so he's at least considered pulling him before and will pull him if he plays as inept as he did last week. Will be interesting to see if Cousins dresses tomorrow.

If they pull RG3 during a game it will be to go to McCoy. Gruen specifically pointed to McCoy being 2-0 when talking about the pressure being on Griffin to perform.

I like Cousins better than Griffin because Cousins understands but he threw too many picks. Maybe Gruden can coach Cousins up and reduce the turnovers but I'd like to see the Skins cut Griffin and start McCoy the rest of the year and unless McCoy runs away way with it have Cousins and McCoy compete for the job next year.

Yes, RGMe is basically an overcoddled baby with a super inflated opinion of himself. Totally delusional and very immature. Sadly he just has no talent as a pocket passer.

But Danny Boy Snyder and our GM Allen love him and thinks he's great -- which is all that matters. To heck with the fan base and the other redskin players and winning. The most important thing is that RGMe continues to start and lose game after game for the next few years.

Check out this full field view of a play against Tampa ... where RGMe couldnt find anyone open (even though everyone was open by 5+ yards (15 feet!)). Recievers #1 and #2 both look like they could run for 30+ yards if they had the ball thrown to them.

RGMe rolled out (even though there was no pressure and the pocket was beautiful) and ended up throwing the ball away.

This is just pathetic QB play and as Chris ey said on his talk show ... RG played like a bad high school QB -- and his play is getting worse over time.

Someone posted on another board wondering if perhaps he has become addicted to pain pills and cannot think clearly anymore -- it makes me wonder -- as I have never seen a QB go downhill as fast as Bobby Griffin.

Gruden has a guaranteed contract. It seems like he is calling Snyder and Allen's bluff. He seems to be saying that Robert is not good enough and that he is the coach of the team and if he does not improve he sits. I believe that Jay knows this might get him fired but it seems like he probably does not care. I think he knows that if he is fired he would keep the rest of the money he is owed, be a OC somewhere for a few years and then get another opportunity.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS. Will it help? Don't have much faith.

WOW I guess it shouldn't surprise me but ...

I think I'll take a short break and come back when things get better

have at it

oneman56 wrote:

elprez19 wrote:I'm sure snyder is less involved then he used to be but benching your "franchise qb" does not happen unless you have the owner and general managers blessing. I think Cousins would have won the last two games if he were starting personally. Cousins has turnover issues but at least he puts up points. I keep waiting for Robert to light it up and every game he is like a dud fire cracker on the 4th of July. The only thing he does well is tuck the ball and take sacks. How come this teams sacks triple when he is playing? You know the answer

What makes you think Cousins would've won those games, his only win this year was against Jax and I don't think he won any games last year? His turnovers are killers and it's why he's not even dressed the last couple weeks and our defense is why we lost to Minnesota not our QB. With that said, if RG3 struggles tomorrow I can see him getting yanked as i believe he's on a shorter leash than he's ever been on. Gruden basically said last week he thought about it but the game didn't get out of hand until late so he's at least considered pulling him before and will pull him if he plays as inept as he did last week. Will be interesting to see if Cousins dresses tomorrow.

Well who in the heck knows but a guy can't throw 4th quarter picks every game. I would like to think the game would had been out of reach vs 1-8 Tampa by the time ol kirk threw those interceptions. I don't really know or care between Kirk or Colt who would had done better these last 2 games. All I know is that I was bored out of my mind these last two games and CAN NOT take another game like last week. I'm to the point where I get more enjoyment out of B Mitch post game rants than I do the actual game, that's sad man. I feel like Bill Murray in groundhogs day every Sunday watching this team. We currently do not have a franchise qb and if Robert does not show significant growth these last games then guess we'll be in the market again for a QB this draft.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not sure what's supposed to be so damning about this. This is exactly what we want to see from a coach, correct? Get the best out of your players; if they don't perform, be ready to move on. Gruden is saying that RGIII's time is running out (note, it hasn't run out yet) and that he needs to show improvement to keep the job.

Robert still has the full support of his coaches; otherwise, he wouldn't be starting. Saying that he needs to do better or else the Skins will look elsewhere means that the coaches believe he can produce at a high level. I'm sure that Griffin will have been getting that message this week.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I'm getting that Gruden is basically telling Griffin his job is not safe and that his leash is short. The damning part about this all is we're actually having this discussion about a guy in his 3rd year who was supposed to be our franchise for the next ten years.

I'm not 100% sold on the theory that Griffin has the support of his coaches. A part of me thinks one big reason as to why Gruden went back to Griffin as the starter was to showcase how inept he is at running the style of offense Gruden wants to run. Kind of a "see what we have here" to Allen and Snyder.

You might be right Stormin. Personally, I am hoping Robert can win out and show us it was worth it. I want to see this through. This season is done. Might as well ride it out this way. I can also see Gruden doesn't want to lose. SO riding it out might not sit well with him. Colt is a QB he picked. He chose to have 3 QBs. I hope your wrong.

I'm torn on the issue with benching Griffin for McCoy. On the one hand, Griffin appears to have more upside. On the other hand, since the season is lost, and if Gruden truly does not have any confidence in Griffin going forward, what would it hurt to see what we have in McCoy?

That is "if Gruden truly does not have any confidence in Griffin going forward, what would it hurt to see what we have in McCoy?"

How do we know this for certain? I can go along with what you are saying for an explanation but, how do we know this is the only answer? I would like to believe at this point, we have a coach that has had a lot of success and knows what he is doing. He is no slouch. He makes mistakes but I believe Gruden will get this going. It would hurt much if he doesn't do what he is doing. Let's say Robert doesn't improve this season. Would we still extend his contract? If we don't, by your own words he hasn't played much this year. Let's give this an honest go before evaluation from the pros.

Whatever happened to RG3 praising his god after each play?

Is his personal god not helping him anymore?

He sure is sucking pretty badly for someone with a god on his side. I wonder if it's Zeus or Apollo?

This just epitomizes his extreme delusion, that there is an invisible man in the sky helping him.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:Whatever happened to RG3 praising his god after each play?

Is his personal god not helping him anymore?

He sure is sucking pretty badly for someone with a god on his side. I wonder if it's Zeus or Apollo?

This just epitomizes his extreme delusion, that there is an invisible man in the sky helping him.

Is this post for real? Are you knocking athletes who believe in Christ ?

oneman56 wrote:

HogHeaven1983 wrote:Whatever happened to RG3 praising his god after each play?

Is his personal god not helping him anymore?

He sure is sucking pretty badly for someone with a god on his side. I wonder if it's Zeus or Apollo?

This just epitomizes his extreme delusion, that there is an invisible man in the sky helping him.

Is this post for real? Are you knocking athletes who believe in Christ ?

Yes. At first I was insulted, then I had to laugh at the ignorance.

elprez19 wrote:

oneman56 wrote:

elprez19 wrote:I'm sure snyder is less involved then he used to be but benching your "franchise qb" does not happen unless you have the owner and general managers blessing. I think Cousins would have won the last two games if he were starting personally. Cousins has turnover issues but at least he puts up points. I keep waiting for Robert to light it up and every game he is like a dud fire cracker on the 4th of July. The only thing he does well is tuck the ball and take sacks. How come this teams sacks triple when he is playing? You know the answer

What makes you think Cousins would've won those games, his only win this year was against Jax and I don't think he won any games last year? His turnovers are killers and it's why he's not even dressed the last couple weeks and our defense is why we lost to Minnesota not our QB. With that said, if RG3 struggles tomorrow I can see him getting yanked as i believe he's on a shorter leash than he's ever been on. Gruden basically said last week he thought about it but the game didn't get out of hand until late so he's at least considered pulling him before and will pull him if he plays as inept as he did last week. Will be interesting to see if Cousins dresses tomorrow.

Well who in the heck knows but a guy can't throw 4th quarter picks every game. I would like to think the game would had been out of reach vs 1-8 Tampa by the time ol kirk threw those interceptions. I don't really know or care between Kirk or Colt who would had done better these last 2 games. All I know is that I was bored out of my mind these last two games and CAN NOT take another game like last week. I'm to the point where I get more enjoyment out of B Mitch post game rants than I do the actual game, that's sad man. I feel like Bill Murray in groundhogs day every Sunday watching this team. We currently do not have a franchise qb and if Robert does not show significant growth these last games then guess we'll be in the market again for a QB this draft.

I hear you and feel your pain in watching the games, i'm just not sure we win with Cousins since he hasn't proved he can win in this league yet but I do think he moves this offense more efficiently...until the costly picks. The last 20 years watching this team feels like groundhogs day to me and when there are a few occasions to believe, the following season or week takes that belief right away. I felt great after Dallas and then shocked after Minny and downright numb after Tampa. Much like last year and other years so I think many of us are right there with you feeling like Bill Murray.

HE'S ON A SHORT LEASH...FOR SURE

any Redskins fan who still thinks that Robert should not be the QB is full of it

go ahead - show us that you're an idiot and tell us that we should be trying a new QB next week

this kid showed us some heart today playing behind a terrible O line

SkinsJock wrote:any Redskins fan who still thinks that Robert should not be the QB is full of it

go ahead - show us that you're an idiot and tell us that we should be trying a new QB next week

this kid showed us some heart today playing behind a terrible O line

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not sure what's supposed to be so damning about this. This is exactly what we want to see from a coach, correct? Get the best out of your players; if they don't perform, be ready to move on. Gruden is saying that RGIII's time is running out (note, it hasn't run out yet) and that he needs to show improvement to keep the job.

Robert still has the full support of his coaches; otherwise, he wouldn't be starting. Saying that he needs to do better or else the Skins will look elsewhere means that the coaches believe he can produce at a high level. I'm sure that Griffin will have been getting that message this week.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I'm getting that Gruden is basically telling Griffin his job is not safe and that his leash is short. The damning part about this all is we're actually having this discussion about a guy in his 3rd year who was supposed to be our franchise for the next ten years.

OK. I guess I see that as Gruden being frank but also fair. When you play as poorly as RGIII has played, nothing can be taken for granted, and Gruden is pointing out that he's serious.

I agree that if we think about it in terms of this being the third year of what should have been a franchise career, it is damning. The story of RGIII as a whole has turned out to be a real tragedy, and I'm not holding out that much hope for redemption anymore.

I'm not 100% sold on the theory that Griffin has the support of his coaches. A part of me thinks one big reason as to why Gruden went back to Griffin as the starter was to showcase how inept he is at running the style of offense Gruden wants to run. Kind of a "see what we have here" to Allen and Snyder.

Hmm, maybe. I am usually pretty skeptical of analyses that posit these kind of mind games between players, coaches, GMs, and owners. I know they must happen, but I guess I generally want to believe that a good coach will simply do whatever he thinks gives our team our best chance to win. When RGIII was ready to come back from his injury, I think Gruden felt he was our best option, and once his opinion changes (and it might have by now already) then I think we'll see McCoy in the game.

Ok so apparently I've now read another "report" where they say that the front office is NOT as behind Griffin as a lot of people believe. The decision to bench Griffin has basically been "ok'ed" by the front office people, and it's all up to Gruden now. Make it happen Jay.

I've always felt that Sean and Jay have both tried to help Robert and that from what they've seen in practice they are using him because he gives them the best option at QB and he needs the playing time to improve his play in the passing game

I have no problem with Sean & Jay deciding to go with Colt - Robert was better yesterday but he still is a work in progress

Colt would not have won that game - SF is the 3rd best D against the pass + A Smith was playing his first game back

Robert needs more time to get better with the passing game - why not finish the season with Colt and let's see him play behind this line and have a QB competition next year

StorminMormon86 wrote:Ok so apparently I've now read another "report" where they say that the front office is NOT as behind Griffin as a lot of people believe. The decision to bench Griffin has basically been "ok'ed" by the front office people, and it's all up to Gruden now. Make it happen Jay.

Ian Rappaport reported this yesterday morning, before the game. And it wasn't a new decision either. Apparently, who to start has been Gruden's decision all season long.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:Whatever happened to RG3 praising his god after each play?

Is his personal god not helping him anymore?

He sure is sucking pretty badly for someone with a god on his side. I wonder if it's Zeus or Apollo?

This just epitomizes his extreme delusion, that there is an invisible man in the sky helping him.

I nominate this as the stupidest, most ignorant, offensive, and idiotic post of ALL TIME drafted on this website..... and that is saying A WHOLE LOT.

I honestly don't give a dump who RGIII is pointing to, but the fact he does shouldn't be criticized by anyone.

Irn-Bru wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not sure what's supposed to be so damning about this. This is exactly what we want to see from a coach, correct? Get the best out of your players; if they don't perform, be ready to move on. Gruden is saying that RGIII's time is running out (note, it hasn't run out yet) and that he needs to show improvement to keep the job.

Robert still has the full support of his coaches; otherwise, he wouldn't be starting. Saying that he needs to do better or else the Skins will look elsewhere means that the coaches believe he can produce at a high level. I'm sure that Griffin will have been getting that message this week.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I'm getting that Gruden is basically telling Griffin his job is not safe and that his leash is short. The damning part about this all is we're actually having this discussion about a guy in his 3rd year who was supposed to be our franchise for the next ten years.

OK. I guess I see that as Gruden being frank but also fair. When you play as poorly as RGIII has played, nothing can be taken for granted, and Gruden is pointing out that he's serious.

I agree that if we think about it in terms of this being the third year of what should have been a franchise career, it is damning. The story of RGIII as a whole has turned out to be a real tragedy, and I'm not holding out that much hope for redemption anymore.

I'm not 100% sold on the theory that Griffin has the support of his coaches. A part of me thinks one big reason as to why Gruden went back to Griffin as the starter was to showcase how inept he is at running the style of offense Gruden wants to run. Kind of a "see what we have here" to Allen and Snyder.

Hmm, maybe. I am usually pretty skeptical of analyses that posit these kind of mind games between players, coaches, GMs, and owners. I know they must happen, but I guess I generally want to believe that a good coach will simply do whatever he thinks gives our team our best chance to win. When RGIII was ready to come back from his injury, I think Gruden felt he was our best option, and once his opinion changes (and it might have by now already) then I think we'll see McCoy in the game.

He's not playing Griffin to prove how inept he is, he has played Griffin because the franchise invested a lot in him and hoped he would become the franchise QB and they have to find out what they have. Given his injuries and time away they had to play him and give him time to see what they had in him and to determine if they have an off-season need at QB. If you think Gruden secretly hoped Griffin would fail I don't buy it because now you're saying he WANTS to go into next offseason needing an o-line upgrade, d-line upgrade, safety upgrade, etc AND find a new QB. No way Gruden, in his first year, wanted that. I believe they wanted Griffin to succeed, improve and show that next year he would take off but it hasn't happened.

oneman56 wrote:
He's not playing Griffin to prove how inept he is, he has played Griffin because the franchise invested a lot in him and hoped he would become the franchise QB and they have to find out what they have. Given his injuries and time away they had to play him and give him time to see what they had in him and to determine if they have an off-season need at QB. If you think Gruden secretly hoped Griffin would fail I don't buy it because now you're saying he WANTS to go into next offseason needing an o-line upgrade, d-line upgrade, safety upgrade, etc AND find a new QB. No way Gruden, in his first year, wanted that. I believe they wanted Griffin to succeed, improve and show that next year he would take off but it hasn't happened.

Well put and I agree. No coach wants any of his players to fail --- because that would mean he failed.

Gruden took the job with the understanding that RGIII was the QB. If he had a problem with that, I woudl think he would have either not taken the job or he would have stipulated something in the coaching agreement prior to accepting the position.

Then why hasn't Gruden benched him yet?

StorminMormon86 wrote:Then why hasn't Gruden benched him yet?

Because, he had to give him time to find out what they have. The defense is why they lost to Minnesota, not RGII even though he missed some throws, so IMO that's why he started vs. Tampa. Tampa was probably his worst game and they gave him a chance to bounce back yesterday and it didn't happen. Also, they know what they have in McCoy (he's not our savior) and the season at 3-7 wasn't really salvageable anyways. I don't expect Griffin will be the starter for the rest of the season but he hasn't been benched because they are giving him every chance to show something for next season and because our other options have flaws as well. I believe Gruden is trying to evaluate and do what's best for us in the long run and that meant starting RGIII. It is what is, he hasn't produced and you'll get your wish soon enough.