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riggofan wrote:

hanburgerheel wrote:If it weren't bothering white people, it wouldn't change.

White people and this guy:

And this guy:



Who also has a problem with this guy:

My mother was telling me about this bit that the Daily Show did on the name change, where she said that they had Indians looking down on fans, with their arms folded. I was pretty upset hearing that, thinking that they were scorning fans just for loving a football team, when it's the mascot/owner who they really have a problem with.

However, that was out of context, and I've found the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYs7QagnDc

Keep in mind that it's satire.

fabe wrote:My mother was telling me about this bit that the Daily Show did on the name change, where she said that they had Indians looking down on fans, with their arms folded. I was pretty upset hearing that, thinking that they were scorning fans just for loving a football team, when it's the mascot/owner who they really have a problem with.

However, that was out of context, and I've found the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYs7QagnDc

Keep in mind that it's satire.

Ya know... I used to think Redskins, Warriors, Chiefs, Indians, Braves, Blackhawks, all were sort of an amalgam for virtues like: "Strength" or "Resolved" or "Fierce" or "Proud." After seeing these overly-sensitive people over and over? These names are now meaning "Maligned" or "Victimized" or "Weak" and even "Shameful." Those adjectives are becoming associated with the names. If they are meaning weak and maligned? I want them to change the name to something that embodies strength and pride! Kinda like what Redskins USED TO BE indicative of.

fabe wrote:However, that was out of context, and I've found the video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYs7QagnDc Keep in mind that it's satire.

How about the douche with the wrestling belt draped over his shoulder? Priceless.

masterkwon wrote:How about the douche with the wrestling belt draped over his shoulder? Priceless.

Psshh, don't pretend you didn't want one when you saw it.

I had mixed feelings about the Daily Show segment. But I thought the part where the Redskins fans had to sit down with actual Native Americans and defend the name was interesting at least.

It was disappointing none of the fans told the Native Americans that they wouldn't support changing the name, because its a meaningless gesture that doesn't address their larger problems. That would have been fun to see.

riggofan wrote:I had mixed feelings about the Daily Show segment. But I thought the part where the Redskins fans had to sit down with actual Native Americans and defend the name was interesting at least.

It was disappointing none of the fans told the Native Americans that they wouldn't support changing the name, because its a meaningless gesture that doesn't address their larger problems. That would have been fun to see.

I agree with that - most fans see the reality that changing the name does not address the important issues that Native Americans have - they fully understand that taken in context the name is not intended to be derogatory or demeaning - I'm sure there is a very small number of Native Americans that are never changing their focus on trying to get the name changed and not just here but everywhere - until they can show that there is a majority that feel put down by these franchises with names that some find derogatory there is no way that they are getting anything done - NONE

Dan Snyder might eventually change the name but it will NOT be because of a few Native Americans

riggofan wrote:I had mixed feelings about the Daily Show segment. But I thought the part where the Redskins fans had to sit down with actual Native Americans and defend the name was interesting at least.

It was disappointing none of the fans told the Native Americans that they wouldn't support changing the name, because its a meaningless gesture that doesn't address their larger problems. That would have been fun to see.

You have to consider that they hand-picked some fans who couldn't defend their position. I think most fans probably wouldn't be able to, because for the most part, they don't really care and they would just like the problem to go away. If I were present, I would've went on a spiel about context and the evolution of language. However, because I can defend my position, they wouldn't have used me for their skit.

fabe wrote:

riggofan wrote:I had mixed feelings about the Daily Show segment. But I thought the part where the Redskins fans had to sit down with actual Native Americans and defend the name was interesting at least. It was disappointing none of the fans told the Native Americans that they wouldn't support changing the name, because its a meaningless gesture that doesn't address their larger problems. That would have been fun to see.

You have to consider that they hand-picked some fans who couldn't defend their position. I think most fans probably wouldn't be able to, because for the most part, they don't really care and they would just like the problem to go away. If I were present, I would've went on a spiel about context and the evolution of language. However, because I can defend my position, they wouldn't have used me for their skit.

to add to that - there were fans that were 'selected' and later not kept because they did not 'fit' the profile that the producers wanted for this 'show'

SkinsJock wrote:I agree with that - most fans see the reality that changing the name does not address the important issues that Native Americans have - they fully understand that taken in context the name is not intended to be derogatory or demeaning - I'm sure there is a very small number of Native Americans that are never changing their focus on trying to get the name changed and not just here but everywhere - until they can show that there is a majority that feel put down by these franchises with names that some find derogatory there is no way that they are getting anything done - NONE

I can agree that most fans understand what you've said, but they wouldn't have been able to say these things in front of a group of sour-faced Indians nor could they say them in front of a camera. They found some fans with weak arguments to represent the fanbase. I wish I was one of the fans picked for this bit. It would've quickly derailed from a comedy skit to a lecture about language. They would probably just edit me out, lol.

SkinsJock wrote:to add to that - there were fans that were 'selected' and later not kept because they did not 'fit' the profile that the producers wanted for this 'show'

Yes, exactly. That would've been you or I had we have been selected.

SkinsJock wrote:

fabe wrote:

riggofan wrote:I had mixed feelings about the Daily Show segment. But I thought the part where the Redskins fans had to sit down with actual Native Americans and defend the name was interesting at least. It was disappointing none of the fans told the Native Americans that they wouldn't support changing the name, because its a meaningless gesture that doesn't address their larger problems. That would have been fun to see.

You have to consider that they hand-picked some fans who couldn't defend their position. I think most fans probably wouldn't be able to, because for the most part, they don't really care and they would just like the problem to go away. If I were present, I would've went on a spiel about context and the evolution of language. However, because I can defend my position, they wouldn't have used me for their skit.

to add to that - there were fans that were 'selected' and later not kept because they did not 'fit' the profile that the producers wanted for this 'show'

And even if some of those fans had been able to give a cogent, articulate response, it would have been edited out. There is no way they would let reason and logic interfere with their agenda.

SkinsJock wrote:to add to that - there were fans that were 'selected' and later not kept because they did not 'fit' the profile that the producers wanted for this 'show'

Source?

I just remember reading that a number of people were miffed when they were given the chance to be on the show & 'let go' because of how they felt about the name change

Deadskins wrote:And even if some of those fans had been able to give a cogent, articulate response, it would have been edited out. There is no way they would let reason and logic interfere with their agenda.

Maybe true, but it IS a comedy show. And they've been doing this stuff for years, so I'm not sure why anybody would agree to appear in the first place. lol.

It also sounds like the Daily Show didn't show some of the craziest fans from Fedex field either:
http://gawker.com/redskins-fans-threate ... 1640249549

Fans also blew cigar smoke in his face, facetiously thanked him for "letting us use your name," and yelled at the 1491s to "go the **** home."

Pensoneau wrote that he was actually afraid for his life at some points during the tailgate, and the footage ended up so intense that it didn't make the cut for the final Daily Show piece.

He was probably right to be afraid - I'm not sure that was a good idea to walk that group around Fedex!!!

SkinsJock wrote:I just remember reading that a number of people were miffed when they were given the chance to be on the show & 'let go' because of how they felt about the name change

Link?

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I just remember reading that a number of people were miffed when they were given the chance to be on the show & 'let go' because of how they felt about the name change

Link?

I don't remember and it's not worth looking for - I just read it ...

like you said - this is a comedy show and it's not a big deal to me that they felt a need to portray it this way ... that's the problem with this - there are way too may people trying to make out that changing the name is a big deal to a majority of the population and it's not the case at all

what would be a good idea is for these same producers to go out and find some Native Americans who don't want the name changed and some fans who agree - now those people will not be hard to track down - and put that show on the air - most likely not happening because it's not controversial ...

SkinsJock wrote:I don't remember and it's not worth looking for - I just read it ...

Ok well I'll believe that anecdote when I read it. From what I read, the Daily Show solicited Redskins fans via Twitter who wanted to support the name on the show. And I didn't think there was really anything wrong with the people they chose. That lady who got so upset was a school teacher and a former Redskins employee. She wasn't a dummy or a loony or anything.

Anyway, I don't care how smart anybody thinks they are. If you think you can go on the Daily Show and win an argument against snark and professional satirists, you're crazy!

SkinsJock wrote:like you said - this is a comedy show and it's not a big deal to me that they felt a need to portray it this way ...

Exactly, that's what they do.

SkinsJock wrote:what would be a good idea is for these same producers to go out and find some Native Americans who don't want the name changed and some fans who agree - now those people will not be hard to track down - and put that show on the air - most likely not happening because it's not controversial ...

Yeah but what would be FUNNY about having people sit down and agree with each other?

Now if you got some pro-name Native Americans to sit down with some anti-name politicians or something, you might have something!

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I don't remember and it's not worth looking for - I just read it ...

Ok well I'll believe that anecdote when I read it. From what I read, the Daily Show solicited Redskins fans via Twitter who wanted to support the name on the show. And I didn't think there was really anything wrong with the people they chose. That lady who got so upset was a school teacher and a former Redskins employee. She wasn't a dummy or a loony or anything.

Anyway, I don't care how smart anybody thinks they are. If you think you can go on the Daily Show and win an argument against snark and professional satirists, you're crazy!

SkinsJock wrote:like you said - this is a comedy show and it's not a big deal to me that they felt a need to portray it this way ...

Exactly, that's what they do.

Httr4life.com posted somethng on face book... ill find theblink

http://httr4life.com/an-inside-look-at- ... experience

This paints a better picture of what took place and what the fans thought was going to. As well as the selection process being to find punching bags instead of fans who could make valid arguments in the face of the opposition calling them racist.

Id love to have been invited.. but like most here my tape wouldve been unaired lol

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:http://httr4life.com/an-inside-look-at-the-daily-shows-redskins-experience

This paints a better picture of what took place and what the fans thought was going to. As well as the selection process being to find punching bags instead of fans who could make valid arguments in the face of the opposition calling them racist.

Id love to have been invited.. but like most here my tape wouldve been unaired lol

I'm sure the people who went on thought the same as you, but they left in tears.

As for their decision not to field any Native Americans on the panel, well we only have the word of the website that the Daily Show didn't want to field any Native Americans on the panel (they have their own agenda to push as well).

And as for the Daily Show mocking the fans, well its what they do, if you aren't ready for that, you shouldn't be going on the show.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:http://httr4life.com/an-inside-look-at-the-daily-shows-redskins-experience

This paints a better picture of what took place and what the fans thought was going to. As well as the selection process being to find punching bags instead of fans who could make valid arguments in the face of the opposition calling them racist.

Id love to have been invited.. but like most here my tape wouldve been unaired lol

Thanks for that link. No really, I've never heard of that website before, and as I got to the bottom of that article, I found this: http://httr4life.com/chris-cooley-defends-redskins-name-on-first-take/. Chris Kooley (thanks THN for the emote and forcing me to misspell his name) went on ESPN's First Take to debate the name with Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless. He really held his own, even when Stephen A. tried baiting him with ridiculous questions. Jeez, I really dislike the First Take guys. Stephen A. actually tried to use something that Mike Wise of the Post wrote as an argument. Mike freaking Wise!

fabe wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:http://httr4life.com/an-inside-look-at-the-daily-shows-redskins-experience

This paints a better picture of what took place and what the fans thought was going to. As well as the selection process being to find punching bags instead of fans who could make valid arguments in the face of the opposition calling them racist.

Id love to have been invited.. but like most here my tape wouldve been unaired lol

Thanks for that link. No really, I've never heard of that website before, and as I got to the bottom of that article, I found this: http://httr4life.com/chris-cooley-defends-redskins-name-on-first-take/. Chris Kooley (thanks THN for the emote and forcing me to misspell his name) went on ESPN's First Take to debate the name with Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless. He really held his own, even when Stephen A. tried baiting him with ridiculous questions. Jeez, I really dislike the First Take guys. Stephen A. actually tried to use something that Mike Wise of the Post wrote as an argument. Mike freaking Wise!

Yeah, and Stephen A. (the A stands for A-hole) had this huge scowl on his face the entire time, 'cause he knew he wasn't going to be able to race-bait C00ley. I just wish Chris had mentioned the dozen Indian schools across the country that use the Redskins nickname and logo, and that the logo was designed by Indians and put on the helmet at their behest.

Since we're sharing links, this one is pretty hilarious:

http://deadspin.com/is-the-redskins-vip ... 1642991295

I've never really thought trotting out our one "Native American friend" was a great way to defend the name in the first place. Probably less effective when the guy turns out to be pretty much black/Asian.