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DarthMonk wrote:Have any of us seen any practices? Did the Griffin against New Orleans two years ago look anything like the preseason version before that game?

Didn't Gruden say it would be foolish to take Robert's legs away? Isn't that exactly what he has done this preseason?

How about we take our ROTY and let him play a healthy year with this assembled talent and make the playoffs?

Pump the brakes.

hanburgerheel wrote:I'm not accusing anyone here of not being a Redskins fan. I know we all are and we all want our team to succeed. That should be a given.

However, I just cannot deny what I can clearly see. It's so obvious to me. I don't WANT Griffin to fail, but I cannot deny what I have seen... over and over. Griffin is failing, and will continue to fail and frustrate because he's simply not an NFL-caliber quarterback. To me, it is so blatantly clear. He might maintain a back-up qb role somewhere, but Griffin is no starter and barely an NFL-level QB. Washington had a chance for a perfect new franchise QB with Andrew Luck and Shanny picked the lemon. I just hope and pray they don't make excuses for Griffin staying and playing very long. I already see this season's excuses warming-up. I'm also not insisting that KC is the savior! I actually don't think he is. I do think he's a better potential NFL QB than Griffin. I don't want either if them to perform poorly. Griffin is what he is... a good college running quarterback, not an NFL QB.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Oh God that's the new line, "we should have gotten Luck". We were never getting Luck. Get over it.

OldSchool wrote:I think the Skins might be a playoff team with Cousins, these receivers & running backs, defense & special teams but not with Griffin. They should start Cousins because he can execute the offense and utilize all the weapons they've assembled, Griffin hasn't shown any ability to be effective in this offense.

It would be a shame to waste the opportunity to compete for a division and maybe more with all this talent by using the season to have Griffin repeat Pocket Passing 101, the course he failed last season. Blame instructor Shanny if you want but it was Griffin that failed to learn the material. Thus far Griffin isn't effective for Instructor Gruden, maybe the pupil just doesn't have the mental processing ability to become a pocket passer.


I''d rather see them start Cousins who has the mental part it down, a respectable arm and is ready to go now. Can Cousins be successful? I think a decisive, accurate QB like Cousins could clean up. I don't want to hear about how things went last year because he didn't have these receivers last season, he'd have lots of open targets this time. Nor do I want to hear any BS about some ceiling you imagine this guy has after 4 starts because we've all seen after 28 starts that Griffin doesn't have an acceptable floor running Gruden's pocket passing offense, Griffin sucks. He is confused, indecisive, too slow and makes bad decision, Griffin is a sack machine and drive killer.

If Cousins fails to get them to the playoffs and they are eliminated then start Pocket Passing 101 for Griffin and try once more to teach him how to function in a pocket, but please don't waste a fresh season on this fools errand. The Skins wasted 2013 trying to get him effective in the pocket and the entire off season and he's clearly uncomfortable and ineffective, it might not be within him, I know it's not within me to waste fall Sundays watching a repeat of 2013.

Griffin hasn't shown any ability to be effective in this offense.

Mirttinur wrote:RG3 had one great season as a rookie, and one awful season while wearing a knee brace and recovering from an ACL tear.

Deadskins wrote:

Mirttinur wrote:RG3 had one great season as a rookie, and one awful season while wearing a knee brace and recovering from an ACL tear.

The stats beg to differ.

Mirttinur wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Mirttinur wrote:RG3 had one great season as a rookie, and one awful season while wearing a knee brace and recovering from an ACL tear.

The stats beg to differ.

What stats say last season wasn't awful? PFF graded him as one of the worst QBs in the league.

SKINS#1 wrote:RGIII has proved he is very good at running the read/option offense but not a pocket QB. I am not sure what to expect, unless he improves his pocket QB skills, should the Redskins adjust and run the read/option which seems to better fit his skill set.

SkinsJock wrote:

SKINS#1 wrote:RGIII has proved he is very good at running the read/option offense but not a pocket QB. I am not sure what to expect, unless he improves his pocket QB skills, should the Redskins adjust and run the read/option which seems to better fit his skill set.

why not let the people that have a better idea than we do make the decision ... it's fun to discuss the team and the possibilities but for some here to spout forth the BS that is posted and to intimate that nobody has any idea of what is going on is just ludicrous

I am very confident that Jay was brought here to help get the offense going and there is no doubt that he's had a lot of time to see the players he's got and who will best help he and Sean get something going here - we should give them time and give them the benefit of the doubt for a few weeks - if after the first few games we're still looking as terrible as some think we are going to be, we can call for help

until then some of the fans here need to just chill and let these guys do their job

FLWSkin wrote:How about "give them time in the regular season"? Who here thinks coach is showing ANY of the real playbook? I don't. I read somewhere(sorry, I don't remember where) that Gruden was calling plays that he wanted Griff to work on. Remember all the stuff about using Giff's mobility to stress the D? Seen any of that yet? No. I don't know what's going to happen, and don't pretend to, but I do know that I'm not going to worry until about half way through the season.

An old saying demands that statistics not get in the way of a good argument. For the belligerent crowd that agrees, there's rarely anyway to change opinion. For others that look to advanced metrics for guidance, the evidence can paint a clear picture. In the case of the Redskins quarterback, the numbers show Robert Griffin III at a clear advantage over Kirk Cousins.

Of all the signal callers with at least 150 pass attempts in 2013, Cousins ranked dead last in Passer Rating at 58.4. Behind Cousins came the Jets' Geno Smith at 66.5 and the Raiders' Terrelle Pryor at 69.1. Griffin came in at 82.2 . . .

Cousins ranked as the worst for Pass Completion Percentage at 52.2 percent, narrowly edging out Cleveland's Brandon Weeden 52.8.

Yards-per-Pass-Attempt has become a good measure to determine how explosive a quarterback runs his offense. Nick Foles led the NFL. . . On the opposite end of the spectrum? Kirk Cousins.

Kilmer72 wrote:

FLWSkin wrote:How about "give them time in the regular season"? Who here thinks coach is showing ANY of the real playbook? I don't. I read somewhere(sorry, I don't remember where) that Gruden was calling plays that he wanted Griff to work on. Remember all the stuff about using Giff's mobility to stress the D? Seen any of that yet? No. I don't know what's going to happen, and don't pretend to, but I do know that I'm not going to worry until about half way through the season.

You are showing intelligence and that is not allowed. You are supposed to think that the end of the Redskin regime is near and an uprisal is coming soon.

hanburgerheel wrote: Washington had a chance for a perfect new franchise QB with Andrew Luck and Shanny picked the lemon.