Redskins-Browns postgame discussion

[SkinsJock]

it's early yup, and we shouldn't be so quick to judge these players in general yup, but i'll tell you one thing for sure. if we go 0-4 wit rg3 at the controls, i'll be the first one calling for the benching. fed-up fan.. tired of the bs.. need another sb before our name gets changed.

no matter what the record is or at what stage of the season - if the coaches feel there's someone on the roster that can give the team a better chance at success - that player will be playing

this squad has a different feel to it and while it's still early all of the guys currently fighting for a roster spot know that they better put it all together or they will not be here for long

I'm getting the feeling that this squad is going to be a lot different than we saw last season even if a lot of the faces are the same

AND it is still early to be speculating that some of the better players are not going to play to the level they're capable of

let's look at how well Rambo is doing this season compared to last - let's wait until after this week's practice and game

[Cappster]

I have to say that I am fed up with Robert and his unwillingness to slide. People can try and rationalize it all they want to, but the fact is he just doesn't want to slide. "It's the competitor in him is why he 'forgets' to slide." i don't buy into that for one second. He is a smart guy, but has that early 20's bravado and has to be "tough." Well, tough = stupidity especially when you are the starting QB. This is his third year and there are no more excuses. For right now he is healthy and needs to do what he can to stay that way. He doesn't need to run into a crowd of guys and get ping ponged around especially in a preseason game. And if he hasn't been practicing sliding, that is the coaches fault. Get a slip and slide, point to it, and tell Robert to go practice, Mr Gruden. He has the physical gifts, but if continues down his current path, I feel his time with this team may be short lived.

[riggofan]

I dont know Riggo, I almost feel like peeking in on a NC board to see how they act when Cam makes a bad choice or when He takes a hit... id say a ninrs board but that guy literally poops gold according to those fans lmmfao

hah. Yeah I'd love to know if the QB stuff is as crazy outside of DC. Are people watching the Panthers preseason games and debating whether Derek Anderson is a better option at QB?

[oj]

I think Cousins' confidence is tangible and the teams reacts well to it. I don't see that in RGIII, I do see somebody that knows how to hold a press conferance. This is RGIII 3rd year, the honeymoon is over.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I think Cousins' confidence is tangible and the teams reacts well to it. I don't see that in RGIII, I do see somebody that knows how to hold a press conferance. This is RGIII 3rd year, the honeymoon is over.

So we just forget about his rookie record breaking year... forget that Cousins looked average at best against three of the worst defenses last year... forget that he looks eerily similar to Sexy Rexy?
Because Rgiii failed to slide we are to demand Cousins?? He is playing against backups rooks and people who wont work to n the NFL in a couple weeks... with a pretty formidable supporting cast in Tana, an improved Robinson, a camp standout in Grant and Helu/ Royster/ Seastrunk/ Redd and by your words they react well to his confidence? They are fighting for their own roster spots while the ones are staying vanilla and trying to go through the motions...
No confidence for Robert throwing an int then bouncing back w a 49yard bomb?!

I understand the sentiment, but dont understand why we cant wait until they open the playbook in week one before we start the knee jerk reactions... #justsayintho

[OldSchool]

I think Cousins' confidence is tangible and the teams reacts well to it. I don't see that in RGIII, I do see somebody that knows how to hold a press conferance. This is RGIII 3rd year, the honeymoon is over.

So we just forget about his rookie record breaking year... forget that Cousins looked average at best against three of the worst defenses last year... forget that he looks eerily similar to Sexy Rexy?
Because Rgiii failed to slide we are to demand Cousins?? He is playing against backups rooks and people who wont work to n the NFL in a couple weeks... with a pretty formidable supporting cast in Tana, an improved Robinson, a camp standout in Grant and Helu/ Royster/ Seastrunk/ Redd and by your words they react well to his confidence? They are fighting for their own roster spots while the ones are staying vanilla and trying to go through the motions...
No confidence for Robert throwing an int then bouncing back w a 49yard bomb?!

I understand the sentiment, but dont understand why we cant wait until they open the playbook in week one before we start the knee jerk reactions... #justsayintho

First, everyone including Griffin himself really should forget about the fools gold 2012 season with the exception of the leg injury, the only thing worth remembering and learning from in my opinion. Having a QB run like Griffin in 2012 isn't a 19 game get to and win the Super Bowl strategy and it's not a 10+ year career strategy. If Griffin is going to be more than a shooting star in the NFL he needs to quickly outgrow the backyard Bob stuff and really master the pocket game. Monday wasn't encouraging in that regard it looked like the same old Griffin.

He's suppose to be smart but we don't see any evidence of that on the field. He looks confused trying read defenses and go through his progressions so he drifts out of the pocket where he fails to excercise good judgement and avoid hits. Can he make pre snap reads audible out of bad plays and change protections? He didn't know how last year does he now? He may be bright but he doesn't play smart.

This is his third year and he needs to really step it up. The club chased off the coaching staff he didn't like, loaded up on receivers and hired a new head coach who is suppose to be masterful with young quarterbacks so the table has been set for Robert. Griffin needs to show some growth by improving his effectiness in the pocket and limit the hits so he can make through the season. If he doesn't progress in these two areas this season than it's going look like bust city after spending 3 first round and 1 second round pick for a read option college quarterback. I hope he surprises me and at this point really solid play from Griffin would be surprising.

[PAPDOG67]

RGIII will be just fine. I thought he actually scanned the field pretty well from the pocket Monday night. I am certainly not going to bust the guy up over a meaningless pre-season game. I think RGIII might start off a little slow this year as he learns the ins and outs of the new system, but after 4-5 games this offense will be flying high. Just my opinion.

[SkinsJock]

We need to give the players and the coaches a little time before we predict how things are going to be this season ..

this is a completely different offense and RG3 is learning how to play QB the way the coaches want him to play and not the way he's always played the position ...

the only thing that is similar about the offense and the QB play from 2012/13 is they will be wearing B&G

let's give the coaches and players a little time to get used to each other before we decide it's not going to be any good

[riggofan]

I think Cousins' confidence is tangible and the teams reacts well to it. I don't see that in RGIII, I do see somebody that knows how to hold a press conferance. This is RGIII 3rd year, the honeymoon is over.

So we just forget about his rookie record breaking year... forget that Cousins looked average at best against three of the worst defenses last year... forget that he looks eerily similar to Sexy Rexy?
Because Rgiii failed to slide we are to demand Cousins?? He is playing against backups rooks and people who wont work to n the NFL in a couple weeks... with a pretty formidable supporting cast in Tana, an improved Robinson, a camp standout in Grant and Helu/ Royster/ Seastrunk/ Redd and by your words they react well to his confidence? They are fighting for their own roster spots while the ones are staying vanilla and trying to go through the motions...
No confidence for Robert throwing an int then bouncing back w a 49yard bomb?!

I understand the sentiment, but dont understand why we cant wait until they open the playbook in week one before we start the knee jerk reactions... #justsayintho

I'm with you.

The comment about Cousins' confidence was funny to me. When I watched Cousins' first series v. the Browns, I was thinking the same thing. "Man, that guy looks really confident." Then he confidently overthrew a wide open WR in the middle of the field for an INT. It was SO Rex Grossman.

Honestly, I'm not knocking Cousins. I think he's at minimum a serviceable, better than average QB.

[hanburgerheel]

Robert Griffin III peaked when he won the ROY award in 2012. I am not implying that Kirk Cousins is the answer, or go-to QB either... I don't think he will ever be more than a decent back-up QB. But, Griffin ain't the guy... at all. Griffin will struggle until the Redskins finally trade him. Then he will make the rounds of other NFL teams that believe they can recapture his college talent and they will fail. I just hope and pray that Gruden has some balls and steps-up and makes the change sooner rather than later. Griffin is going to be a constant frustration. His fans will make excuses and Snyder and the coaches will wait and wait and wait. Griffin was the worst, most costly draft pick I've seen in a while. He did have that one stretch of winning games in November-December 2012 before the Ravens game injury. My most vivid memory of him will always be when he totally blew that knee out against Seattle and collapsed. That was the end.

Oh, and he sold a LOT of jerseys!

Andrew Luck was the best QB of that draft, as far as NFL potential.

The light needs to go on for Griffin fairly soon. In terms of his development I don't believed he learn anything from the games he finished and little if nothing from the ones he didn't finish because he is still taking big hits and doesn't protect himself.

The other possible outcome, than what I stated above you, is that he gets a mainline-defensive-end-helmet-tattoo tackle and it forces him to retire at age 26 or 27. That is also a strong possibility. He seems to refuse to learn how, or exhibit, the self-preservation instincts necessary.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

You mad bro??
Lmao sounds like ur a little butthurt. Give coach a chance to work with him.. he is only hurting himself (ya and us and the team) if he gets himself hurt due to not protecting himself. I think Gruden has a better relationship w Robert then Shanny, thus more of what he says is heeded. Relax

Fwiw: Joey T didnt play like Griff, howd that work out?

[riggofan]

He seems to refuse to learn how, or exhibit, the self-preservation instincts necessary.

I don't know what you're basing this on exactly. His bad sliding technique?

He played 13 games last year without getting injured before Shanahan sat him down.

I completely agree he still needs to be smarter about protecting himself. Just not sure we can say a guy who has only played two seasons "refuses to learn".

[Neo]

I think Cousins' confidence is tangible and the teams reacts well to it. I don't see that in RGIII, I do see somebody that knows how to hold a press conferance. This is RGIII 3rd year, the honeymoon is over.

So we just forget about his rookie record breaking year... forget that Cousins looked average at best against three of the worst defenses last year... forget that he looks eerily similar to Sexy Rexy?
Because Rgiii failed to slide we are to demand Cousins?? He is playing against backups rooks and people who wont work to n the NFL in a couple weeks... with a pretty formidable supporting cast in Tana, an improved Robinson, a camp standout in Grant and Helu/ Royster/ Seastrunk/ Redd and by your words they react well to his confidence? They are fighting for their own roster spots while the ones are staying vanilla and trying to go through the motions...
No confidence for Robert throwing an int then bouncing back w a 49yard bomb?!

I understand the sentiment, but dont understand why we cant wait until they open the playbook in week one before we start the knee jerk reactions... #justsayintho

Honestly bro, I think the "Cousins confusion" is how Cousins looks on the field, and how he directs the offense. Cousins definitely looks more confident out there, and appears to be a better leader BEFORE the snap. He seems...again seems, to know exactly what he wants after he gets a look at the defense.

However, Cousins' throwing is average at best in my opinion. Like I said early, he just throws too many interceptions.

I LOVE...absolutely LOVE Cousins' presence on the field, but that mean absolutely nothing if you are just shy of being a sucky passer.

RG3 looks uncertain...kind of like a newbie on the job who knows his stuff, but is second guessing himself because he doesn't want to make a mistake. If RG3 could be more like Cousins BEFORE the snap, I think people would start going nuts over him (even the Cousins crowd).

Here's my verdict thus far...RG3 is a bonehead, and being a bonehead is his biggest issue. If Gruden somehow teaches him to not be a stubborn hardhead, THEN, and ONLY THEN, will he naturally learn when to slide and throw the ball away. I think the therapist is treating the symptoms, not the core issue.

If RG3 gets past his stubbornness, he'll be the greatest our franchise has ever had. My skepticism is that this is his 3rd year; not his rookie season. But my God I hope he learns before its too late...I still believe in this kid even though there's plenty of room for doubt.

I'm being unfair to RG3 at the same time; he's a lot better at going through his progressions. He's faster at scanning his receivers than he was last year...just hope the improvement speeds up. His speed and cutting is back; use this for getting away from defenders. His weapons are all upgraded, and therefore results in more completions for him.

Final notes on protecting RG3...
1. O-line looks a HELL OF A LOT BETTER...even Licht
2. If defenses "get physical" with RG3, Haz needs to have our boys play a little dirty on their guy; you mess with ours, we destroy yours.

[KazooSkinsFan]

He seems to refuse to learn how, or exhibit, the self-preservation instincts necessary.

I don't know what you're basing this on exactly. His bad sliding technique?

He played 13 games last year without getting injured before Shanahan sat him down.

I completely agree he still needs to be smarter about protecting himself. Just not sure we can say a guy who has only played two seasons "refuses to learn".

Don't you remember him "sliding" though last year? He looked like a guy on stilts trying to do ballet.

[DarthMonk]

I finally got to watch the game and was prepared for a horror show. It was not nearly as bad as I anticipated.

Griff's worst play was easily the pick. A throw away would've been nice there but I saw Peyton Manning make the same throw in more than one Super Bowl. I won't lose sleep over that one. Bad play for sure though.

I saw his cleat stick on a slide. I think the first part of the slide needs to be Griff jumping a hair and turning his feet up and sideways. Can someone please forward this gif to the coaches and Griff, please?



The other slide was not nearly as bad as made out by at least one poster.

The deep ball was money. If it was underthrwon at all it was only by about 1 foot. The defender coming in from the side was gonna make the tackle on a "perfect" throw. I do not think this was an underthrow that should've been a TD.

Many other very accurate passes were on a second read. Other than the pick, I thought Griff was sharp.

The "pinball" play where Griff was hit by 3 guys was not nearly as bad as advertised either. The initial hit was a linebacker who was turning and not braced. Griff actually got the best of that guy. The other two hits were even more minor. Would I rather see him step out before any of that? Yes.

A far worse hit for my money was in the pocket where he was grabbed upstairs and thrown down ragdoll style.

I'd give Griff an A in the passing game but for the pick. He hung in the pocket when there was one and I never saw him take off early. When he took off he looked like his burst was back. He also continued to look downfield.

Cousins was not facing a strong D with pass rush yet sailed an open man right in front of him under no pressure and threw a horrible pick as well. I'm glad he's a Redskin but Griff is currently clearly the man.

I didn't mind 4 runs in a row inside the 5. It's preseason and we needed that work. Cleveland figures to be one of the better teams in the league in that scenario.

The "false starts" on Griff were pure BS. The Mannings do far worse a dozen times a game. SMFH.

Overall, I am much more optimistic than I was a year ago.

[Irn-Bru]

Right on, DM. I agree with you 100%. I was surprised by how negatively people reacted to the game, and in particular Griffin's performance. Felt like I must not have watched the same tape.

[riggofan]

He seems to refuse to learn how, or exhibit, the self-preservation instincts necessary.

I don't know what you're basing this on exactly. His bad sliding technique?

He played 13 games last year without getting injured before Shanahan sat him down.

I completely agree he still needs to be smarter about protecting himself. Just not sure we can say a guy who has only played two seasons "refuses to learn".

Don't you remember him "sliding" though last year? He looked like a guy on stilts trying to do ballet.

I'm sure you're right about that. But either way, he slid well enough to not get injured last year right?

My question was what exactly is this guy basing his opinion on that RGIII "refuses to learn". How can he say RGIII doesn't have self-preservation instincts? The kid just played an entire season without getting injured. That was just pure luck?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I dont even know who to quote with all these great Friday posts!! Lol
THANK YOU DARTH! Pretty much nailed it on all accounts. DJaxs first catch in B&G was on a second maybe even third read and people refuse to see that... being vanilla I thought our wr could have helped Griff look "better" by getting some seperation and continued movment when Rob scrambles but im not going to poop the bed about it.

As for your slide input, I think you are right on. He seems gets caught up a lot especially at home. Unfortunately that gif u posted would still require Griff bashing and he not protecting himself. Its almost a lose lose. With the concussions these days I almost prefer he "take on the defender" then have his head get pin balled off the turf like Alex Smith does there. Whats the guy to do?!
Make him miss and take it to the house?!

[FLWSkin]

I'm sorry, but quotes such as "We can just ignore RG's first season because "we know it's fool's goal" just means you have a beef or an agenda and aren't up for rational discussion.