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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I think we might trade Cousins, and keep McCoy. I'm wondering if all this talk about Cousins outplaying RGIII might be a ploy to raise his stock.

I doubt it. The dividing line has been a second rounder, I don't see us getting one until Cousins shows more on the field. I don't see the point in trading him for a lower pick now and I don't see us getting a second rounder yet.

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I think we might trade Cousins, and keep McCoy. I'm wondering if all this talk about Cousins outplaying RGIII might be a ploy to raise his stock.

I doubt it. The dividing line has been a second rounder, I don't see us getting one until Cousins shows more on the field. I don't see the point in trading him for a lower pick now and I don't see us getting a second rounder yet.

I don't see the incentive for other teams to make a trade like that two weeks before the season starts either. If a team was going to trade for Cousins this year, they would have done it back in March when there was time to learn the playbook, go through OTAs and training camp, etc;

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I hear you Kazoo - things have changed - Robert has shown that he's OK physically
PLUS
a few teams have QBs that have not looked very good at all ...

Then we would have traded him at the draft. It makes no sense to trade him now or that anyone would give us what it would take to make it make sense.

Deadskins wrote:When you get an injury to your starting QB, then all of that goes out the window.

SkinsJock wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I hear you Kazoo - things have changed - Robert has shown that he's OK physically
PLUS
a few teams have QBs that have not looked very good at all ...

Then we would have traded him at the draft. It makes no sense to trade him now or that anyone would give us what it would take to make it make sense.

all teams have had a few weeks of camp to assess their players - we need 1 team to think Cousins might be better than what they have

[size=150]A team would have to be nuts [/size]to bring in a new QB right at the end of training camp. QBs need time to learn the system, get used to the players, etc.

PulpExposure wrote:... A team would have to be nuts to bring in a new QB right at the end of training camp. QBs need time to learn the system, get used to the players, etc.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:When you get an injury to your starting QB, then all of that goes out the window.

Why? Because Kirk Cousins is better prepared to run your offense than your backup QB? Come on, man.

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:When you get an injury to your starting QB, then all of that goes out the window.

Why? Because Kirk Cousins is better prepared to run your offense than your backup QB? Come on, man.

Yes. He may be better than your starting QB as well.

SkinsJock wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:... A team would have to be nuts to bring in a new QB right at the end of training camp. QBs need time to learn the system, get used to the players, etc.

are you suggesting a team will most likely not add a QB at this time of year even if the QBs they have get injured or have proven to not be effective because they will not have time "to learn the system, get used to the players, etc.."?

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:When you get an injury to your starting QB, then all of that goes out the window.

Why? Because Kirk Cousins is better prepared to run your offense than your backup QB? Come on, man.

Yes. He may be better than your starting QB as well.

Deadskins wrote:Riggo, I'm not saying a trade is immanent, or will ever even happen. I'm just saying that they started this whole discussion to raise Cousins' stock in the event that some team is forced into that situation by circumstance. They used the Patriots' coaches/players because it wouldn't do any good coming from our team, but coming from them, it adds credence to the claim.

I think Colt McCoy was told here’s what you’ll be for us for a long period of time….And I believe Robert was told, matter of factly, we’re getting a guy that’s going to be the backup for you for an extended period of time. Kirk is going to benefit us, Kirk will be there this year if we need him, he’s a great player, but he very very most likely will never be here after this year. So thus, Colt McCoy.

The Washington Redskins (1-0) and Cleveland Browns (0-1) play their second preseason game at 8 p.m. Monday in a nationally televised game on ESPN.

1. The hype. Robert Griffin III always tries to play down matchups against other quarterbacks; after all, he doesn’t face them. But this one is too tough to just dismiss. Not only is it Johnny Manziel, he’s now playing for the coordinator that Griffin struggled to work with in Washington, Kyle Shanahan. Once the game starts, it’s hard to imagine coaches wanting to do anything other than evaluate their own players. In the end, both teams need to make strides under first-year coaches. But this is a heck of a subplot for a meaningless game. How the Redskins’ defense handles Manziel will be fun to see. Keep him hemmed in the pocket. My guess is that Ryan Kerrigan will rush a lot from the right side with Brian Orakpo on the left for matchup purposes.

2. The pass game. The Redskins need to, and likely will, be a run-oriented team – a nod to what they have in the ground attack and the inconsistency of the pass game. But Cleveland presents a good opportunity for Griffin and the passing attack. The Browns like to play aggressively and bring pressure, which will give Washington a chance to see how its protection fares. Along with that, it will test Griffin’s pre-snap reads and the ability to make a quick decision. The speed at receiver won’t just be felt on long balls; if handled right it’ll be noticeable on crossing passes or quick hitters against such pressure. It helps that DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon both will play Monday after missing the first game.

3. Tackling. Again. This was something to watch last week, and it will be that way for a while. The Redskins’ starters played less than 10 snaps, so while they tackled better, we’re talking for only a fraction of a quarter. The starters will play one quarter Monday night. The Browns will run the outside zone, which, as Redskins fans know, can lead to solid runs courtesy of missed tackles or over-run gaps. The Browns have lousy weapons at receiver so this game will be about doing a good job versus the run.

Deadskins wrote:Cousins was going to get the same reps in the preseason regardless. They aren't showcasing him specifically. My original point was this whole "Cousins is better than RGIII" topic was engineered to raise his trade stock, because I think the team would like to add a roster spot by going with only two QBs.

SkinsJock wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing the progress that RG3 is making because there's no doubt that he needs to do a much better job at reading defenses, and initially, even with great weapons, the O line is going to have to give him time as he learns to get better at that

SkinsJock wrote:I'm looking forward to seeing the progress that RG3 is making because there's no doubt that he needs to do a much better job at reading defenses, and initially, even with great weapons, the O line is going to have to give him time as he learns to get better at that

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Cousins was going to get the same reps in the preseason regardless. They aren't showcasing him specifically. My original point was this whole "Cousins is better than RGIII" topic was engineered to raise his trade stock, because I think the team would like to add a roster spot by going with only two QBs.

Agreed. The idea that so much of our focus would even be now on getting someone to cough up a second rounder for Cousins when we're trying to get ready for the season is ridiculous.

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Cousins was going to get the same reps in the preseason regardless. They aren't showcasing him specifically. My original point was this whole "Cousins is better than RGIII" topic was engineered to raise his trade stock, because I think the team would like to add a roster spot by going with only two QBs.

Agreed. The idea that so much of our focus would even be now on getting someone to cough up a second rounder for Cousins when we're trying to get ready for the season is ridiculous.

I'm not sure that's what you just agreed with. Deadskins wrote that they put out the "Cousins is better than RGIII" topic to raise his trade stock. Because he thinks "the team would like to add a roster spot by going with only two QBs".

Personally I don't think there are any plans at all to trade Cousins right now. I think any efforts to raise Cousins' profile are all about next off season. And I do think they will try to showcase Cousins in the preseason to that end. Note I didn't say they will give Cousins more reps. They can showcase him by calling pass plays for him. Have him playing against second stringers. Make him look good!

This is a big year for RGIII btw. I know it would be nice to get a pick by trading Cousins, but what if RGIII goes out there this year and stinks it up? Or gets seriously injured again? There are still some big questions with him this year. Keeping Cousins around this year is probably the smart move.