riggofan wrote:I don't disagree, but I'll still give it a little more weight coming from a successful GM vs. a bunch of bloggers reinforcing what everyone else is writing.
That's fair, but remember he was fired years ago from the Colts for being a disaster of a GM at the end of his tenure (including hiring his son as GM). And despite him essentially hanging out his shingle to get hired, he hasn't been picked up by anyone. Because of that, I do take what he says with a grain of salt, as I'm not sure how relevant his current view of players actually is.
No problem with that. A grain of salt is always required of any of these guys.
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I think Bill Polian is still a very credible authority - more so than most 'media types' and a lot of GMs currently 'working' in the NFL
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
I was all for Byrd, but now I'm thinking he's just going to be way too expensive. There's a handful of teams with more cap $ than us...its going to turn into a bidding war, and he's going to get overpaid.
There are other safeties we could get for much less who would make a big impact. Plus we might even draft another safety this year.
"I'm trying to be as honest as I can; I don't normally do that." -Mike Shanahan
I do not want this guy. I'm going down and saying that. From what my Bills friends say, he's on the slow side and turned down 10 million / 3 year from the Bills. If we can grab him for decent money, than fine, but I'm thinking he's gonna be way overpriced.
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Jairus Byrd just signed a six year deal with the Saints per NFL Network. No idea of the $. Funny that he goes to a team that was shedding players to sign their tight end.
Saints are giving former Bills S Jairus Byrd a six-year, $54 million contract, including $28 million guaranteed.
No need to feel bad about not landing that Byrd.
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unless they get clemons they screwed up. FS has plagued them for years, and all the other options are dwindling fast. As hard as they've been pursuing corners so far, maybe they are trying to move hall to S.
SkinsJock wrote:In free agency - the Redskins will spend less on more players rather than over spend on a few I doubt that Byrd or any 'high price' free agent is being brought in here from another franchise this season
I want to agree with you, its just that we still have that guy who owns the team lurking in the background...
this FO is quietly doing their job and trying to undo the damage from Snyder's stupidity with players and contracts
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
brad7686 wrote:unless they get clemons they screwed up. FS has plagued them for years, and all the other options are dwindling fast. As hard as they've been pursuing corners so far, maybe they are trying to move hall to S.
Forget that. I don't care how much we need a safety, I am glad as hell they didn't pay this kind of money for Byrd. This guy will be in N.O. for two years at most on that contract.
Look at some of the guys who are getting released right now. Peppers, Revis, Tuck, etc; A bunch of big name FAs who signed ridiculous contracts two or three years ago and weren't remotely worth the money or affordable in the long run. We did this stuff for YEARS.
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we're going to see the effects of paying some players big money here soon too
RG3 will get his pay day at about the same time that we're going to be getting it all together here and then we'll see if he wants what the market will be for a great QB or if he will go for a contract that will enable the team to pay other good players as well
good to see these guys holding off on the big contracts and trying to rebuild from the effects of both Snyder and the lack of cap money
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:we're going to see the effects of paying some players big money here soon too
RG3 will get his pay day at about the same time that we're going to be getting it all together here and then we'll see if he wants what the market will be for a great QB or if he will go for a contract that will enable the team to pay other good players as well
good to see these guys holding off on the big contracts and trying to rebuild from the effects of both Snyder and the lack of cap money
You're EXACTLY right, man. And this is one thing I like about Allen is that he KNOWS we have some of our own players coming up soon that we are going to want to be able to afford. RGIII is a few years off, but Kerrigan is another one. Orakpo is going to be an issue again next year.
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SkinsJock wrote:we're going to see the effects of paying some players big money here soon too
Yep.
SkinsJock wrote:RG3 will get his pay day at about the same time that we're going to be getting it all together here and then we'll see if he wants what the market will be for a great QB or if he will go for a contract that will enable the team to pay other good players as well
It'll be interesting but don't expect a player to take less than what he's worth. These guys get 1, maybe 2 contracts that are worth a damn. Gotta get it before it's gone.
SkinsJock wrote:good to see these guys holding off on the big contracts and trying to rebuild from the effects of both Snyder and the lack of cap money
Unless I'm missing something, they haven't done a big contract in a long time. At least not one in the mold of years past. Granted Garcon got a big contract, but he's been worth it. Bowen got a big contract and was worth it the 1st two years, last year was a bad year due to injury. Hell, Morgan led the team in receptions his 1st year and hasn't been talked of (the contract) as being a hindrance moving forward.
Bruce used to be an agent, he's doing right by the team financially. It's cap-gate that's been an issue.
I am hoping that RG3 gets a huge contract as that will mean he's 'earned it' but I also hope that he's unlike most players and gets it structured so that it's in the team's best interests as well as his own
I do agree that these guys are managing things well here it's just a shame that Mike couldn't figure out how to work better with others
I'm very optimistic about our future under the new staff and I look forward to this FO and scouting department bringing in players that 'fit'
we know it's going to take more than a year but it will be fun to watch it happen here
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:this FO is quietly doing their job and trying to undo the damage from Snyder's stupidity with players and contracts
The damage has been undone for quite some time. It's the publics perception that will take MANY more years to fix.
A-F-ing-Men! General perusal of twitter, comment sections on realredskins.com, WaPo, and ESPN tends towards the majority of fans STILL acting as if it is 2000 and the skins were getting ready to sign every big name free agent out there AND acting as if we have some Dan Snyder problem to deal with. I just don't get why it is so easy to simply fall back on tired narratives without opening one's eyes. The fact that all the top (8, 7, whatever) safeties signed elsewhere doesn't phase me at all because 1. of the money they all (with exception of Mitchell in PA) signed for and 2. that I believe there is more than 1 way to improve your secondary (1 way is too improve your DL/Front 7) and 3. FREE AGENCY JUST STARTED 18 HOURS AGO!.
The team has lots of cap room left (no idea exact amount because K details not released yet), plenty of time, a draft coming up, DL and corner (which I believe is more important that safety play when talking about dollars you spend) FAs coming in. Remember that we have Ks coming up for renewal soon (Griffin, Morris, Kerrigan) that are going to cost us.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
SkinsJock wrote:I am hoping that RG3 gets a huge contract as that will mean he's 'earned it' but I also hope that he's unlike most players and gets it structured so that it's in the team's best interests as well as his own
- I'll tell you... I bet Mike's release had everything to do with Griffin staying a Redskin for his entire career. After what they gave to get him, it'd be chaos if he didn't resign. - It's a pill all teams have to swallow, ur gonna pay out the a** for the QB. U gotta be able to develop ur own talent before that happens.
SkinsJock wrote:I am hoping that RG3 gets a huge contract as that will mean he's 'earned it' but I also hope that he's unlike most players and gets it structured so that it's in the team's best interests as well as his own
- I'll tell you... I bet Mike's release had everything to do with Griffin staying a Redskin for his entire career. After what they gave to get him, it'd be chaos if he didn't resign. - It's a pill all teams have to swallow, ur gonna pay out the a** for the QB. U gotta be able to develop ur own talent before that happens.
They aren't called Franchise QBs for no reason.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
emoses14 wrote:They aren't called Franchise QBs for no reason.
Yep.
I kinda like that they kept most things intact. The defense. The FO. The offensive run scheme. Why?
We aren't starting from scratch. Hopefully the players drafted are given chances to play, if they deserve it. Hopefully by having the same systems in place, the FO can rely on this drafted talent to offset RGIII's future contract. It's gonna be tough.
emoses14 wrote:They aren't called Franchise QBs for no reason.
Yep.
I kinda like that they kept most things intact. The defense. The FO. The offensive run scheme. Why?
We aren't starting from scratch. Hopefully the players drafted are given chances to play, if they deserve it. Hopefully by having the same systems in place, the FO can rely on this drafted talent to offset RGIII's future contract. It's gonna be tough.
I've got this nagging optimism about the skins due almost entirely to what you just pointed out. I'm trying not to let it show too much because, well, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice. . .
I also anticipate a very, very driven, angry, and dangerous Robert Griffin III next year and for years to come. My gut (which is hugely accurate, always) is telling me he is not the kind of person to take the bull spit that went on last year lightly. I'm hopeful that he does with slights what Michael Jordan used to do with them.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
emoses14 wrote:I've got this nagging optimism about the skins due almost entirely to what you just pointed out. I'm trying not to let it show too much because, well, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice. . .
I also anticipate a very, very driven, angry, and dangerous Robert Griffin III next year and for years to come. My gut (which is hugely accurate, always) is telling me he is not the kind of person to take the bull spit that went on last year lightly. I'm hopeful that he does with slights what Michael Jordan used to do with them.
My stance is this. The team could do everything right and still have things NOT work out. Sometimes, that's how things shake out. If the team is putting forth a best effort and moving in an improved direction year-to-year, I can find satisfaction in that.
2013 at a macro level, was a disaster. But compare where we are today, to where we were when Mike 1st took the team over and your perspective (if ur a reasonable person) should change. we're in a better place, hopefully Gruden moves us much further along. So on and so on. It's a process, we're improving.
Well said. I especially agree with point about where Gruden is starting vs. where Shanahan started.
I'm pretty optimistic that RGIII will have a better year. I also believe the defense won't (can't) be as atrocious as they were last year and I'm 100% certain the special teams will be better. I don't know if all this will be enough to be a playoff team or even feel like we are a "good" team, but I think we'll be better than 3-13.
On the bright side, you gotta be glad we're not the Cowboys this year. Holy cow.
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brad7686 wrote:unless they get clemons they screwed up. FS has plagued them for years, and all the other options are dwindling fast. As hard as they've been pursuing corners so far, maybe they are trying to move hall to S.
Forget that. I don't care how much we need a safety, I am glad as hell they didn't pay this kind of money for Byrd. This guy will be in N.O. for two years at most on that contract.
Look at some of the guys who are getting released right now. Peppers, Revis, Tuck, etc; A bunch of big name FAs who signed ridiculous contracts two or three years ago and weren't remotely worth the money or affordable in the long run. We did this stuff for YEARS.
Well, the Peppers deal was pretty much the same thing we did to get the $36 million cap hit, so he was affordable.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
we are getting better and the way the franchise is being managed gives me a lot of hope
we are finally out from under the effects of Snyder's woeful mis management and while it will take another season to finally overcome the BS cap hit, we are in pretty good shape - we have a franchise QB that is going to show he's worth a lot more than what we we gave up and we have some good to great young players to build around on both offense and defense
this FO will find a way to get Griffin the fortune he deserves with his new contract and at the same time be able to afford to surround him with both and offense and defense that will keep the franchise competing in the playoffs each year
it's not all happening this season but this is where it all begins
the restraint being shown with regards to adding players is a great indication that this group has a clue how to best rebuild this franchise
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
