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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

OldSchool wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not to!

I don't think ROY stops Griffin from being a bust at all. He ran around playing backyard ball until it caught up to him and he got hurt, big deal. If team spends 3 first round and 1 second round pick for a guy he really has to be great not to be a bust. Griffin QB skills are very limited and he's a divisive prima dona so far.

Russell Wilson can read defenses and understands the the mental part of the game in addition being mobile. I think Wilson dwarfs Griffin and I don't have any reason believe Griffin would have performed in better with the Seahawks because he wouldn't have been more motivated to learn the mental part of the game. Griffin is Griffin.

I don't know what's more moronic... thinking I want to hear the same "backyard" b.s. excuse over and over, or thinking that because you post it for the hundredth time it will magically be true?
Wilson has the supporting cast... he doesn't do half of what rgiii has done and has to do to win. Wilson has a better TEAM, meaning its not all on him every game. He can be selective with his throws because he can win with 120 yards passing. His D scores nearly as much as him, if not more. His throws are wide open most the time... and look at his weapons man, seriously!

Backyard ball? Watch the skins vs saints game his rookie debut then watch any Seahawks game (vs the rams where they barely beat a back up qb comes to mind) and tell me who is playing back yard ball. Russel does more of the things you criticize and less of the things you accuse rgiii of. Don't get t twisted man, rgiii would k ill it in Seattle, just as much as Wilson would have struggled here.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Some one please point me to the block button..?

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

OldSchool wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:ROY honors automatically subtract the word BUST from the equation people.

Does anyone think he wouldn't have been successful in Russel Wilson's role?
Give me a break.. this TEAM needs help all around, including the line, the D, wr- all the supporting roles a qb needs strong- as well as Robert. If we see no improvement from him AFTER season 3 then we can talk... Fact is the whole team regressed not just the qb position.
I predict he will change some oldskewl point of views, and silence the haters.

Trade cousins while you can.. his stock hasn't improved and anything in the 2nd round or better is a great roi. RG3 is our guy, with the proper support he will meet or exceed expectations- he works to hard not ote]

I don't know what's more moronic... thinking I want to hear the same "backyard" b.s. excuse over and over, or thinking that because you post it for the hundredth time it will magically be true?
Wilson has the supporting cast... he doesn't do half of what rgiii has done and has to do to win. Wilson has a better TEAM, meaning its not all on him every game. He can be selective with his throws because he can win with 120 yards passing. His D scores nearly as much as him, if not more. His throws are wide open most the time... and look at his weapons man, seriously!

Backyard ball? Watch the skins vs saints game his rookie debut then watch any Seahawks game (vs the rams where they barely beat a back up qb comes to mind) and tell me who is playing back yard ball. Russel does more of the things you criticize and less of the things you accuse rgiii of. Don't get t twisted man, rgiii would k ill it in Seattle, just as much as Wilson would have struggled here.

What you say about Wilson is true he does play on a better team. What I say about Wilson is also true, that unlike Griffin Wilson knows how to read defenses, adjust protections, audible out of bad plays, read post snap defenses, work through his progressions, shift within his pocket and judiciously scramble to extend plays without taken hits. Wilson is a real quarterback not grossly over committed project like Griffin. It doesn't matter one iota if Griffin can run like a deer and throw lightening bolts when really healthy if he can't learn or hasn't learned the fundamental part of the QB job than he's just playing backyard.

Oh, one other thing the reason you find my posts so irritating is a part of you really fears I am right and the thought Griffin is a bust is very disturbing to you.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Heard on 980 yesterday evening that the Browns said they ARE NOT interested in Capt. Kirk..
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Heard on 980 yesterday evening that the Browns said they ARE NOT interested in Capt. Kirk..
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Like they would come out and say that they were...

I don't know the likelihood of this trade happening but like Adam Shefter said, it's in the Browns best interest to do their due diligence and at the very least look into the possibility.

The most likely scenario for the Browns is that they’ll be starting a rookie first-round draft pick like Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles or Teddy Bridgewater in 2014, and that Brian Hoyer will be that rookie’s backup. It’s nice that Cousins knows Shanahan’s offense, but the Browns aren’t likely to hand over the future of the franchise to a quarterback who has a passer rating of 68.6 in Shanahan’s offense.

langleyparkjoe wrote:I thought about that too CLL but they are dumb as hell to come out and say they're not interested if they really are because what if the Skins trade him to another team yuh know?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:It's totally valid to feel many different ways about RGIII but to label him a bust just removes all credibility from your post.

It's time to trade Kirk. His contract will be up before we know it, ship him off and get a 2nd for him if possible. We need depth, we need starters. Use a 6th to pick up a kid to develop.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:It's totally valid to feel many different ways about RGIII but to label him a bust just removes all credibility from your post.

It's time to trade Kirk. His contract will be up before we know it, ship him off and get a 2nd for him if possible. We need depth, we need starters. Use a 6th to pick up a kid to develop.

Countertrey wrote:There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

DarthMonk wrote:

Countertrey wrote:There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

I've heard of that.

This link from Griff's 1st NFL game shows his many deficiencies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVb5tyyrMbE

:19 to :24 shows his inability to slide properly.

:30 to :40 shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

:50 shows how much his teammates hate him. No one helps him up.

1:10 to 1:20 shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

I'm sure 1:23 to 1:29 shows something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection.

1:40 to 1:50 again shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

2:05 to 2:10 shows a complete lack of understanding of what an aggressive defense might be up to.

2:27 shows another horrible decision which is exacerbated by lack of accuracy.

2:40 to 2:47 again shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

2:50 to 2:55 must again show something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection again.

This guy never could play at this level and never will. He lacks intelligence and commitment. He's simply a quarter horse crossed with Randy Johnson. He's a centaur not a griffin.

Trade him now and promote the Captain.

Kilmer72 wrote:Careful, some may not know you are kidding even though it is obvious.

Countertrey wrote:There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

DarthMonk wrote:

Countertrey wrote:There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

I've heard of that.

This link from Griff's 1st NFL game shows his many deficiencies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVb5tyyrMbE

:19 to :24 shows his inability to slide properly.

:30 to :40 shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

:50 shows how much his teammates hate him. No one helps him up.

1:10 to 1:20 shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

I'm sure 1:23 to 1:29 shows something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection.

1:40 to 1:50 again shows his propensity to take off on a backyard run instead of looking downfield when confronted with the slightest breakdown in protection.

2:05 to 2:10 shows a complete lack of understanding of what an aggressive defense might be up to.

2:27 shows another horrible decision which is exacerbated by lack of accuracy.

2:40 to 2:47 again shows his inability to hang in the pocket and deliver an accurate ball as someone is bearing down on him.

2:50 to 2:55 must again show something terrible with regards to his mental abilites but I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe he failed to change a protection again.

This guy never could play at this level and never will. He lacks intelligence and commitment. He's simply a quarter horse crossed with Randy Johnson. He's a centaur not a griffin.

Trade him now and promote the Captain.

A few weeks ago, I was in the Redskins broadcast studio when Robert Griffin III walked i[n]. Among the things he told me and Larry Michael was that one of his first orders of business would be to set up a passing camp with he and his receivers getting out of town for a few days of work and bonding.

Pierre Garçon talked to Michael on radio row at the Super Bowl last week and he said that Griffin already has the passing camp organized. Although he didn’t specify any dates, Garçon made it sound like planning for multiple is in the advanced stages.

“We’ve already got that date set up. We’ve already got a place,” said Garçon. “We’re going to go to Arizona, work out there. We’ll probably do some more in Ashburn. Probably go to Baylor a little bit. We’re definitely going to be around. Probably go to Miami. I’m trying to talk him into going to Miami. South Florida is home. I don’t mind going to Arizona, going to Baylor, going to different places. I enjoy traveling.”

In 2012, Griffin’s rookie year, he and some receivers met up in Waco, Texas, where Baylor is located, between the end of minicamp and the start of training camp. Last year, there were no sessions as Griffin was working to rehab his injured right knee.

Countertrey wrote:There's a concept that applies primarily to children below the age of 5, called "magical thinking"... all they need to make something true is to think it... a lot... you know... put on the ruby slippers... click your heels together... "there's no place like home"... repeat...

OldSchool wrote: ... explain to me why Griffin has learned how to read defenses well enough to make pre snap reads, according to Chris ey ...