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Chris Luva Luva wrote:The players at the time signed off, Alfred didn't. Russel didn't. It's a raw deal, and it's up to them and their counterparts to get a more fair deal during the next CBA talks.

The NFLPA has very poor leadership and even poorer lawyers. They screwed the Redskins and Cowpies for expediency's sake, too. They need to realize that the owners do not have their interests at heart during these negotiations.

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Chris Luva Luva wrote:The players at the time signed off, Alfred didn't. Russel didn't. It's a raw deal, and it's up to them and their counterparts to get a more fair deal during the next CBA talks.

The NFLPA has very poor leadership and even poorer lawyers. They screwed the Redskins and Cowpies for expediency's sake, too. They need to realize that the owners do not have their interests at heart during these negotiations.

I agree 110%. They got shafted thoroughly. How they allowed Goodell to remain a dictator is beyond me. And the rookie scale... The intention was to pass that money onto the Vets. That's not happening, they're simply chaining young players to long deals and not hiring Vets. LOL I mean, it's genius.

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riggofan wrote:But isn't THAT the problem they were trying to solve to begin with, with the rookie pay scale? Trying to avoid situations like paying Sam Bradford $86 million before he has ever played a snap in the NFL?

Yes and they solved that issue but it's causing other issues.

That's true. I guess I would be curious though to know how big of a problem it is. How many of those players in the current system are vastly outplaying their rookie contract. I kind of doubt its that big a number.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Personally, I'd like to see a player like Alfred be able to petition for a new contract sooner.

But doesn't that just open up the problem of holdouts that they just fixed?

I do get what you're saying though. Its not a great deal for the rookies and heavily favors the owners. But the players didn't have the willpower and leverage to negotiate a better deal last time, and that wasn't just all about the NFLPA leadership. That was about veteran players being unwilling to strike for long and lose their paychecks. They were unwilling to hold out for a better deal for young players who weren't even in the NFL yet.

I will say the pay scale for first round rookies is more fair. A good compromise might be to allow new contracts/negotiations for some of those late round players earlier.

Good point about treating certain positions differently btw.

riggofan wrote:That's true. I guess I would be curious though to know how big of a problem it is. How many of those players in the current system are vastly outplaying their rookie contract. I kind of doubt its that big a number.

IMHO, if it's just one player, it's an issue. I like to see people be rewarded for their hard work.

riggofan wrote:But doesn't that just open up the problem of holdouts that they just fixed?

I understand that it'd create new issues. I'm just looking at this from the human perspective, not as a fan. As a man, I'd like to see another person be rewarded for their efforts. I'd like to see them paid what they're worth. I take the same stance for my coworkers and people with whom I can champion for to get raises. I hate seeing good people get looked over.

riggofan wrote:I do get what you're saying though. Its not a great deal for the rookies and heavily favors the owners. But the players didn't have the willpower and leverage to negotiate a better deal last time, and that wasn't just all about the NFLPA leadership. That was about veteran players being unwilling to strike for long and lose their paychecks. They were unwilling to hold out for a better deal for young players who weren't even in the NFL yet.

Yeah. The owners took advantage of the players inability to be financially sound and their greed. The players picked poor leadership. The players got what they deserved.

riggofan wrote:I will say the pay scale for first round rookies is more fair. A good compromise might be to allow new contracts/negotiations for some of those late round players earlier.

Yep. I totally agree.

riggofan wrote:Good point about treating certain positions differently btw.

Yeah. Alfred is gonna get screwed pretty badly if he gets injured. I'd hate to see that.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm just looking at this from the human perspective, not as a fan. As a man, I'd like to see another person be rewarded for their efforts. I'd like to see them paid what they're worth. I take the same stance for my coworkers and people with whom I can champion for to get raises. I hate seeing good people get looked over.

+1. I totally get the point you're making. Fans are quick to blame players for "being greedy", but its nothing compared to the fixed game the NFL owners play.

riggofan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm just looking at this from the human perspective, not as a fan. As a man, I'd like to see another person be rewarded for their efforts. I'd like to see them paid what they're worth. I take the same stance for my coworkers and people with whom I can champion for to get raises. I hate seeing good people get looked over.

+1. I totally get the point you're making. Fans are quick to blame players for "being greedy", but its nothing compared to the fixed game the NFL owners play.

It typically reeks of jealously and blind loyalty to a group of men who give zero <insertwordhere> about you or the game you love.

Hey my bad Chris.. didn't realize how passionate u are about this. I don't want to argue.. but I view it differently..

I dunno how much rgiii made, Forbes didn't break it down per contract: subway adidas ea sports come oil company all most likely six figure contracts.
"earned more than any other rookie in NFL history before throwing his first regular-season pass,"  so I was just saying.
Its all about how you look at it- your looking at it from Wilson's shoes, but to me I'm glad he isn't getting a payday cuts that D is who deserves a payday not him. Alfred is a differw nth story- isn't he just in a 3 year deal? He'll probably be the highest paid 6th rounder in his class right?
Ultimately it's a game and millions of great players never even make it- its a privilege that doesn't last forever so these kids should have a back up plan for when they have to enter the real world. EVERY player is replaceable and if I don't prove I'm not at my job I won't see the fat payday either.