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Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:52 pm
by riggofan
FWIW I read this today:
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/1/10/52 ... linebackerNot only did Jay Gruden leave for Washington, he might be looking into Cincinnati's staff to join his.
Bengals linebackers coach Paul Guenther is an extremely popular coach right now.
It was learned last year that had defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer been hired as a head coach, he intended to bring Guenther with him to become his defensive coordinator with his new team -- a reality that exists today. It's an ironic situation, to be fair. If Zimmer leaves Cincinnati, Guenther actually becomes the Bengals leading in-house candidate to as the next defensive coordinator.
Now Washington Redskins head coach Jay Gruden is interested in chatting with Guenther about joining his staff, according to NFL insider Adam Caplan.
Presumably the position would be for defensive coordinator.
However, if Guenther remains under contract, neither Gruden nor Zimmer can hire him away from Cincinnati. According to league rules, if a coach is under contract, there is no provision that allows the coach to leave, other than for a vacant head coaching position.
Cincinnati would have to allow Guenther out of his current contract and we don't see that happening with Zimmer's future a little undecided right now. Plus the Bengals have shown a belief of promoting from within, evident by their promotions of Hue Jackson and Kyle Caskey.
On the other hand, if Guenther is no longer under contract (many assistants play under one-year deals), then the Bengals can't block it.
Not sure, but it seems like the coaching staff positions aren't the done deals that the early reports made them out to be.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:32 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:FWIW I read this today: ... it seems like the coaching staff positions aren't the done deals that the early reports made them out to be.
+1 - I agree ...
you know, it might come as a huge surprise to some here that the media and 'sources' do not have a clue about what is really gong on at Redskins Park
the lies and creative reporting has been incredibly misleading here and it's been that way for years
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:52 pm
by welch
emoses14 wrote:What in the hell does an assistant head coach do if he is not also the Coordinator on one side or the other? That's not a trick question, I really don't know. Is his job to help Jay Gruden with management of the team since its his first gig?
Position was invented in the '80s to keep OCs and DCs from changing teams. Rule was, approximately, a coach could take a job at another team if the new job was a promotion. A coordinator could take a head coach job, but could not take a coordinator job at another team. The NFL belongs to the owners, and they don't want coaches jumping teams for more money. That was George Allen's great crime: he left Washington for the LA Rams without being fired.
Richie Petibon was Assistant Head Coach, Defense. Dan Henning returned to the Redskins as Assistant Head Coach, Offense.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:57 am
by HEROHAMO
Haslett has been terrible every year he has been here.
If our defense got beat by players who were just better I could understand. However our defense constantly were in bad positions, bad tackling in the wrong defense at the the wrong time. This all comes back to the D coordinator.
Kerrigan and Orakpo are far too talented to be looking so bad on so many plays. Every game I could see Kerrigan and Orakpo over pursue, miss tackles and beat on coverage.
Haslett just fails to put our players in the best position to succeed. Its as simple as that. How else do you explain giving up a record amount in points?
Ive tried to defend him before but I cannot any longer. He sucks and we need a real defensive coach.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:05 am
by UK Skins Fan
Haslett's record, in most years, has simply been mediocre at best. There are certainly mitigating circumstances in Washington (the change of scheme, lack of talent and alleged interference from Shanahan), but when you look at the rankings of the man's defences every year he's been a coordinator, there comes a point when you have to say: to hell with mitigating circumstances, he just isn't a great defensive coordinator.
It's true that the Redskins defence played significantly better over the last dozen games of the season, but I'm done with excuses and "seeing the whole picture". If this is truly a new start for the Redskins, we need new coaching on all three facets of the team. I'd rather see Morris promoted to DC than see Haslett retained. And I'm not even sure about Morris.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:14 am
by SkinsJock
we have seen that most of the reports have been very misleading and that sources are for the most part just an attempt by the media to imply that somebody that knows something is giving them information when in fact they just made the whole thing up because "it fits" with the anti-Redskins agenda ...
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:15 am
by DarthMonk
Kerrigan:
Meanwhile, the news that Haslett would remain as defensive coordinator and that the Redskins will continue to run a 3-4 defensive front was a welcome development, said Kerrigan, who at the conclusion of the season had worried about the hindrance of development that a new coaching staff could cause.
“I liked it. Haz and a lot of the guys on the team — myself included — all have a great relationship. He’s someone that we want to play hard for. He’s a great coach. and he’s fun to play for,” Kerrigan said. “This is a defense that, especially as an outside linebacker in the defense, takes a while to really get comfortable in. So to continue to play in the same style of defense and for the same coach is pretty nice.”
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:34 am
by PulpExposure
So I don't think you can judge Has simply by the Skins experience, as we've seen how Shanahan never really gave the guy a chance to run his own defense. However, Haslett has never had much success with defense in the league, based upon when you look at his
overall defense performance. It's brutal.
Since 2000, he's coached the Saints as a head coach, then the Rams for 3 years as a defco, and then the Skins. In those 13 seasons, only in year 2000 and 2003 were his defenses better than average in points allowed 10th in 2000, 14th in 2003). In
every other season his defenses were ranked 21st or worse in points allowed.
There is nothing there that reassures me he actually knows how to run a good defense, even if you ignore the Redskins years.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:22 pm
by The Hogster
Haslett staying here is baffling based on production. His units (as mentioned above) have never been very good. Never close to consistently good. But, he knows Jay Gruden well. They have history. I hope they can make this thing work, but based on performance, he should have been fired with Mike if not before.
Haslett played LB in a 3-4 and has coached it. But, he's absolutely AWFUL when it comes to making adjustments and calling a good all around game. He's going to need this team to go out and get him a bunch of playmakers to cover for his tendency to call the absolute wrong defense at critical times.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:46 pm
by DarthMonk
The Hogster wrote:Haslett staying here is baffling based on production. His units (as mentioned above) have never been very good. Never close to consistently good. But, he knows Jay Gruden well. They have history. I hope they can make this thing work, but based on performance, he should have been fired with Mike if not before.
Haslett played LB in a 3-4 and has coached it. But, he's absolutely AWFUL when it comes to making adjustments and calling a good all around game. He's going to need this team to go out and get him a bunch of playmakers to cover for his tendency to call the absolute wrong defense at critical times.
This makes sense but let us not forget that the most memorable of all the wrong calls at the wrong time was not his call ... and I doubt that was the only one.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:16 pm
by Countertrey
DarthMonk wrote:The Hogster wrote:Haslett staying here is baffling based on production. His units (as mentioned above) have never been very good. Never close to consistently good. But, he knows Jay Gruden well. They have history. I hope they can make this thing work, but based on performance, he should have been fired with Mike if not before.
Haslett played LB in a 3-4 and has coached it. But, he's absolutely AWFUL when it comes to making adjustments and calling a good all around game. He's going to need this team to go out and get him a bunch of playmakers to cover for his tendency to call the absolute wrong defense at critical times.
This makes sense but let us not forget that the most memorable of all the wrong calls at the wrong time was not his call ... and I doubt that was the only one.
Not only that, but Shanahan allowed everyone to believe that it was Haslett's call... I have no idea... and nor does Hogster... how often that happened, and like Darth, I have to think it happened more than once... perhaps many times.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:54 pm
by SkinsJock
let me just add that I think that judging Haslett based on his past and especially recent defenses could be misleading ..
I understand what the 'old' defensive stats are - not good - but I think that Haslett will have learned from all his experiences (old and recent) and will be motivated to do well
I am not saying he might be the best choice for DC, that is up to Jay Gruden and I'm sure he will pick someone that he thinks will handle the job better than it was
I'm just not that down on Haslett as some here - we could do worse, is all ... and ... he's here
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:33 pm
by UK Skins Fan
Sure, all that experience of running below average defences COULD be an excellent learning experience for Haslett. But I think that's about as likely as Evan Royster turning into Eric Dickerson!
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:04 pm
by riggofan
I haven't seen anybody announced as the DC yet.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:14 pm
by Hooligan
SkinsJock wrote:let me just add that I think that judging Haslett based on his past and especially recent defenses could be misleading ..
I understand what the 'old' defensive stats are - not good - but I think that Haslett will have learned from all his experiences (old and recent) and will be motivated to do well:
I think the clay is already dry. After being in the league this long as a player, coordinator, head coach, and consistently being sub-par, he is what he is.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:31 pm
by jmooney
For me, Has is just to laid back. I like my D coordinators to have a bit of an edge to em, If he let Shannahan undermine his defense the way the reports say and, did nothing, that's not the kind of personality that tends to make a good DC.
Greg Williams would have smacked Mike in his @#%^&! mouth with a clipboard for doing it.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:41 pm
by HEROHAMO
DarthMonk wrote:The Hogster wrote:Haslett staying here is baffling based on production. His units (as mentioned above) have never been very good. Never close to consistently good. But, he knows Jay Gruden well. They have history. I hope they can make this thing work, but based on performance, he should have been fired with Mike if not before.
Haslett played LB in a 3-4 and has coached it. But, he's absolutely AWFUL when it comes to making adjustments and calling a good all around game. He's going to need this team to go out and get him a bunch of playmakers to cover for his tendency to call the absolute wrong defense at critical times.
This makes sense but let us not forget that the most memorable of all the wrong calls at the wrong time was not his call ... and I doubt that was the only one.
Its hard to say what Shanahan was doing? But seriously we have years of proof already. We have a track record to go off of.
Obviously we all hope it works but man how much more proof do we need? They say the definition of insanity is expecting a different result from doing the same thing over and over again.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:57 pm
by HEROHAMO
According to CSN Washington Gruden is retaining staff but may shuffle titles. Also CSN is reporting that Gruden is talking to Bengals assistant Paul Guenther about defensive coordinator position.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:28 pm
by Countertrey
HEROHAMO wrote:According to CSN Washington Gruden is retaining staff but may shuffle titles. Also CSN is reporting that Gruden is talking to Bengals assistant Paul Guenther about defensive coordinator position.
Guenther is under contract. I don't see the Bingos letting him go for an equivalent position.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:39 pm
by rskin72
Regardless of Mike's interference into Haz's D.....I still do not like that choice as a DC if Gruden so chooses. I could see Haz sticking around to help assist Gruden in some type of underlying HC position.....heck wasn't it Gibbs II that started all the associate coaching titles?
Also...Guenther is the LB coach of the bungles now....so a DC job would be a promotion. Wouldn't he be able to accept that if offered? It would also make sense as I believe that Gruden and Guenther are pretty close from a couple of articles I have seen.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:00 am
by Neo
Hooligan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:let me just add that I think that judging Haslett based on his past and especially recent defenses could be misleading ..
I understand what the 'old' defensive stats are - not good - but I think that Haslett will have learned from all his experiences (old and recent) and will be motivated to do well:
I think the clay is already dry. After being in the league this long as a player, coordinator, head coach, and consistently being sub-par, he is what he is.
^^This is how I feel about it.
None come to mind, but is there any coach in the history of professional football who made a "come back" after so long with such a sub-par track record? I'm wrong if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is any.
As far as Kerrigan and company saying that they "love" playing for Haz, that's irrelevant. Its nice to like your coaches, but I don't think anyone would disagree that if the coach leads the defense into playing like beasts, it doesn't matter if they love or hate him; that coach is getting the job done.
As a fan, I do hope Haz becomes successful here, but if nothing changes, nothing changes. Shanny's change of plays didn't lead to 80% of our defense failing to tackle one guy on numerous plays in numerous games.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:33 am
by SkinsJock
we shall see - with all that bad history it seems like the decision would be easy ...
if they keep Haslett even with all that stuff to go on, it would be pretty amazing ... right
I just don't understand why he's even here if he's that bad
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:56 am
by HEROHAMO
Countertrey wrote:DarthMonk wrote:The Hogster wrote:Haslett staying here is baffling based on production. His units (as mentioned above) have never been very good. Never close to consistently good. But, he knows Jay Gruden well. They have history. I hope they can make this thing work, but based on performance, he should have been fired with Mike if not before.
Haslett played LB in a 3-4 and has coached it. But, he's absolutely AWFUL when it comes to making adjustments and calling a good all around game. He's going to need this team to go out and get him a bunch of playmakers to cover for his tendency to call the absolute wrong defense at critical times.
This makes sense but let us not forget that the most memorable of all the wrong calls at the wrong time was not his call ... and I doubt that was the only one.
Not only that, but Shanahan allowed everyone to believe that it was Haslett's call... I have no idea... and nor does Hogster... how often that happened, and like Darth, I have to think it happened more than once... perhaps many times.
Your probably right Trey. Just wanted to report that Has as the D coordinator is not certain yet. He will be on the staff but maybe someone else calls the plays.
You know he has a good scheme and defensive package. Its just calling the right plays at the right time. Well I am just hoping for someone to call the plays and maybe Haslett will just oversee things.
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:29 am
by tribeofjudah
DarthMonk wrote:Countertrey wrote:I'm OK with Haslett staying.
Yo tambien.
I was agin it a few weeks ago but have done a lot of research and have changed my mind.
wow....tell us about your research?
Re: Sources: Jim Haslett to Continue as DC
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:10 am
by Deadskins
rskin72 wrote:Also...Guenther is the LB coach of the bungles now....so a DC job would be a promotion. Wouldn't he be able to accept that if offered?
They can only break the contract for a HC position, if the team does not give permission.