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Irn-Bru wrote:I voted yes. If this season hadn't blown up into the ridiculous display that it did, I'd be supportive of giving Shanahan his fifth season to put things back together. With things having happened the way they did, I'm just not sure.

Either way, I don't think Danny keeps him around. I think he gave serious consideration to firing Shanahan immediately after the Chiefs game but decided to wait until the season was over. The reports we heard that week were a near clone of infamous loss to Detroit several years ago when Danny considered firing Zorn on the spot and bringing in Shanahan. So I think his mind is already made up.

Adam Schefter, who is likely closer to Mike Shanahan than any other reporter, was on ESPN 980 Wednesday afternoon. He was asked about the coach’s relationship to Robert Griffin III.

“I think it’s a business one, in the sense that Mike has gone out of his way to let it be known that he’s not going to be Robert’s friend; that he’s going to be Robert’s head coach and try to get the best out of him, which is his job,” Schefter said. “His job is not to be Robert’s friend. Other people in the organization have done that, and continue to do that. That’s not Mike. That’s not going to be Mike. Mike has a different perspective, a different outlook and a different desire in his relationship with RGIII.

“I think the fact that they don’t get along is overdone, overstated, overemphasized, whatever you want to say,” Schefter continued. “I think there are always issues between quarterbacks and head coaches. Quarterbacks want things a certain way, head coaches another sometimes. Look at Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers. Do they not get along now, after they argued on the sideline on Sunday? You know what, I think it’s inevitable that sometimes men in those positions are going to clash. But I think more than anything else — unlike OTHERS in that organization — Mike has not gone out of his way to be friends with RGIII.”

Yes, OTHERS was emphasized. So who were these unnamed others? Immediately, I thought of the person who went to an offseason movie screening with RGIII, who went to an offseason Cafe Milano dinner with RGIII, who went to an offseason fundraiser with RGIII, who dined with RGIII in Richmond, who joked with RGIII at a luncheon, who was asked to dance at RGIII’s wedding.

Thom Loverro must have thought the same thing. He asked Schefter about the perception that RGIII and Daniel Snyder have a relationship.

“That’s true,” Schefter said. “That’s not a perception. That’s true. That’s a fact.”

“That’s different from maybe other owners might have with their quarterbacks?” Loverro continued. “I’m assuming maybe different from what Pat Bowlen and John Elway had in Denver. I mean, do you think that complicates [the Shanahan-RGIII dynamic]? Do you think that maybe empowers Robert if there is a dispute, to feel that he can push his will?”

“I think both of those statements are true,” Schefter said. “I think it complicates it, and I think it empowers Robert. Yes. I think both those things are true. Now, Dan Snyder is a different owner than a lot of other owners, so he doesn’t conduct his business the way that Pat Bowlen conducts his business or the way that some other people conduct their business. Dan has been a tremendously successful business man, so it’s hard to argue about what he’s done and the way he’s handled his business, to me. But, saying that, yes, I do think that that has empowered RGIII. Yes.”

Then Loverro asked if that power would disappear were Mike Shanahan to receive a contract extension.

“I don’t think so,” Schefter said. “I don’t know if that’s the case. I think that there are always going to be certain little things — the push and pull between the quarterback and the head coach, the push and pull between an old-school coach and a new-aged quarterback who doesn’t handle himself like Colin Kaepernick or Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck. He’s a little bit more out there, and I mean out there publicizing himself, bringing attention to himself. He just is, [more] than those other guys. Am I wrong?”

Finally, Kevin Sheehan asked Schefter if he thinks Shanahan is bothered by that Snyder-RGIII relationship.

“I’ll say this: do I think he’s bothered by it? I don’t know that,” Schefter said. “But I don’t think that that’s the way that Mike does his job.”

“I think that Dan felt last year — and Dan was aware of this by the way — that Mike was prepared at one point to walk away,” said Schefter. “Dan was aware. That’s not a surprise to him. He 100 percent knew that. How did he know that? I don’t know.”

Schefter admitted that he wasn’t privy to any conversations between the coach and owner, but he remained firm in his statement that Snyder knew Shanahan wasn’t happy.

“I can tell you 100 percent that Dan was aware of this,” said Schefter. “He was. I think his feeling was, Mike was overreacting and that things were gonna work out. Mike should basically continue to work hard and things should work out. Clearly they haven’t.”

The ESPN analyst also spoke about the relationship between Shanahan and Robert Griffin III.

“I think people know how RGIII feels about Mike,” he said. “And again, we can sugarcoat this all we want. We can dry to dress it up and call it ‘lukewarm.’ The bottom line is, he doesn’t like the coach and I don’t think he wants the coach here. Period. And we talked about this, the little triangle of power here in the organization, there are two guys on one side and one on the other. Two guys will win, one guy’s gonna lose. Although in this case, everybody loses.”

SkinsJock wrote:I don't know why so many here think that Mike 'deserves' to be fired because of his record or his lack of communication skills ...

I'm not 'defending' Mike - I just think we're better off with him for 1 more season and making some changes in the coaching staff

we do not need the instability that will go with a whole new direction

Irn-Bru wrote:I voted yes. If this season hadn't blown up into the ridiculous display that it did, I'd be supportive of giving Shanahan his fifth season to put things back together. With things having happened the way they did, I'm just not sure.

Either way, I don't think Danny keeps him around. I think he gave serious consideration to firing Shanahan immediately after the Chiefs game but decided to wait until the season was over. The reports we heard that week were a near clone of infamous loss to Detroit several years ago when Danny considered firing Zorn on the spot and bringing in Shanahan. So I think his mind is already made up.

Countertrey wrote:He'll be back.

SkinsJock wrote:

Countertrey wrote:He'll be back.

I voted no because I don't think he and Dan want to keep this thing going anymore

I hope I'm wrong because as much as I'd like a new HC I think we need another year of building ...

I do expect some coaching changes though no matter who is the HC

going to be an interesting few days here - and listening to some here trying to explain their 'theories' of why they were so wrong about all this

SkinsJock wrote:

Countertrey wrote:He'll be back.

I voted no because I don't think he and Dan want to keep this thing going anymore

I hope I'm wrong because as much as I'd like a new HC I think we need another year of building ...

I do expect some coaching changes though no matter who is the HC

going to be an interesting few days here - and listening to some here trying to explain their 'theories' of why they were so wrong about all this

SkinsJock wrote:anyone that thinks that RG3 and his father have any say whatsoever on who coaches or plays for the Redskins do not have a clue about this franchise - NONE



that is really a great indication of how wrong some of the 'theories' are and what sort of thinking is behind some of them

SkinsJock wrote:anyone that thinks that RG3 and his father have any say whatsoever on who coaches or plays for the Redskins do not have a clue about this franchise - NONE

UK Skins Fan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:anyone that thinks that RG3 and his father have any say whatsoever on who coaches or plays for the Redskins do not have a clue about this franchise - NONE

Whilst they may not have a say, per se, RG3 is surely likely to be uppermost in the Redskins' mind when the next coach is selected? To what extent that is the case might be determined by how much involvement Snyder has in the process, but getting the best out of RG3 is going to be the best way for this franchise to be successful in the next 5 years.

riggofan wrote:Can I change my vote? I think Shanahan will probably be fired before he gets to the locker room today. hah.

riggofan wrote:Can I change my vote? I think Shanahan will probably be fired before he gets to the locker room today. hah.

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Can I change my vote? I think Shanahan will probably be fired before he gets to the locker room today. hah.

that would be a great example of how classless this organization really is

I hope that does not happen but it would not surprise me after all that Dan has done to hurt this franchise over the years

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Can I change my vote? I think Shanahan will probably be fired before he gets to the locker room today. hah.

that would be a great example of how classless this organization really is

I hope that does not happen but it would not surprise me after all that Dan has done to hurt this franchise over the years

Have you ever been to Fedex field? That place has class coming out of its butt.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Can I change my vote? I think Shanahan will probably be fired before he gets to the locker room today. hah.

that would be a great example of how classless this organization really is

I hope that does not happen but it would not surprise me after all that Dan has done to hurt this franchise over the years

Have you ever been to Fedex field? That place has class coming out of its butt.

Kyle Shanahan, now 34, has bristled at the suggestion that his rise has come because of his father; in fact, he joined his dad in Washington only after making a name as an offensive innovator with other teams. Still, Shanahan has mostly allowed his son to craft the offense as he saw fit, watching offensive meetings sometimes on a closed-circuit video feed and approving Kyle’s game plan but rarely making broad changes.

This wasn’t the case for the defense. Shanahan, in his second year into the job, began sitting in on coaches’ defensive meetings. According to a former coach, staff members stormed out several times, furious after Shanahan had changed that week’s defensive game plan.

Haslett, the defensive coordinator and a former NFL head coach, also had part of his play-calling duties on the defense usurped by Shanahan, according to two coaches and a veteran player.

One of Shanahan’s first calls came in September 2011, during a game at Dallas. With the Cowboys on their own 30 with 2 minutes 20 seconds to play, Shanahan called an all-out blitz — “Cover-0,” as it is known — and it backfired, resulting in Dallas quarterback Tony Romo finding wide receiver Dez Bryant for a 30-yard gain. Dallas eventually kicked a field goal for an 18-16 victory, and Haslett was left to shoulder the blame.

PulpExposure wrote:Good lord, this is freaking laughable. The whole article is full of awful.

Kyle Shanahan, now 34, has bristled at the suggestion that his rise has come because of his father; in fact, he joined his dad in Washington only after making a name as an offensive innovator with other teams. Still, Shanahan has mostly allowed his son to craft the offense as he saw fit, watching offensive meetings sometimes on a closed-circuit video feed and approving Kyle’s game plan but rarely making broad changes.

This wasn’t the case for the defense. Shanahan, in his second year into the job, began sitting in on coaches’ defensive meetings. According to a former coach, staff members stormed out several times, furious after Shanahan had changed that week’s defensive game plan.

Haslett, the defensive coordinator and a former NFL head coach, also had part of his play-calling duties on the defense usurped by Shanahan, according to two coaches and a veteran player.

One of Shanahan’s first calls came in September 2011, during a game at Dallas. With the Cowboys on their own 30 with 2 minutes 20 seconds to play, Shanahan called an all-out blitz — “Cover-0,” as it is known — and it backfired, resulting in Dallas quarterback Tony Romo finding wide receiver Dez Bryant for a 30-yard gain. Dallas eventually kicked a field goal for an 18-16 victory, and Haslett was left to shoulder the blame.