SkinsJock wrote:don't feed the troll - dftt - I will not even read those posts
Yeah your right but it is irritating.
SkinsJock wrote:don't feed the troll - dftt - I will not even read those posts
What's ignorant is to fabricate "facts" that simply do not present themselves, in the name of creating a racial argument. It matters not that it's not a "main" idea in your post... the fact is, it is a part of your argument... and it's simply not supported by facts... it's just more cheap race baiting. You want to make an argument that he's being unfairly picked on? Fine... there may be some evidence for that... but I simply don't see any evidence to support your attempt to blame racism as a motivating factor for it. It's a cheap, lazy, and (in this case) unsupportable argument that's simply not worthy of the SF55 that I have known.Skinsfan55 wrote:OldSchool wrote:Put the racial talk were the sun don't shine. Maybe the race of players are important to you maybe you have a racial agenda but the rest of want wins.
It would be ignorant to pretend that attacks on RGIII's mental acuity and work ethic aren't at least in part, racially motivated. It's the same knock we've heard about African American QB's since the color barrier was broken. Also, it's equally ignorant to highlight on that point since it was far from the main idea of my post.
THIS argument requires a deliberate effort to NOT understand how complex the differences between a pocket concept and a spread/run concept are. Apparently, someone has no memory of the difficulty of developing muscle memory. Apparently, someone is arguing a point into the ground, simply for the pure joy of pissing people off. Is that the case? There is, otherwise, no indication that you have a clue how difficult it is to become a truly competent pocket quarterback. You give the appearance of being "Old School" in name only.OldSchool wrote:Skinsfan55 wrote:OldSchool wrote:Put the racial talk were the sun don't shine. Maybe the race of players are important to you maybe you have a racial agenda but the rest of want wins.
It would be ignorant to pretend that attacks on RGIII's mental acuity and work ethic aren't at least in part, racially motivated. It's the same knock we've heard about African American QB's since the color barrier was broken. Also, it's equally ignorant to highlight on that point since it was far from the main idea of my post.
Baloney! People taking on highly accountable roles are going to be critiqued and race doesn't have a thing to do with it and using race to escape accountability is a non starter. Griffin doesn't know how to read defenses, not before the snap so he can adjust the protection and not after it so he quickly knows where the man will be open and get it out. I can understand it taking longer for Griffin than Cousins after the snap because even though Griffin has had 10 times as many because processing as quick as Cousins really isn't something many people can do but please explain to me why after 2 years Griffin still hasn't learned to read pre snap defenses well enough to change his protection before the snap? If it isn't Griffin's lack of dedication to the task what is it?
Don't bother trying to tell me Griffin needs more time to learn this or Cousins knows how to do it because he learned how in college. Cousins' college team didn't face NFL defenses nor did they run the Redskin offense with its protection schemes and call signals. Cousins learned this in Ashburn. Cousins and Griffin came in at the same time and despite Griffin getting prepped and starting 29 times to Cousins' 3 times Cousins is the one who understands things and Griffin is the guy trying to play backyard ball in the NFL. How do you account for it. It's either Griffin is no where as smart as Cousins or Griffin didn't put in nearly as much time and effort as Cousins or both. What is your explanation?
OldSchool wrote:If you were earning millions of dollars wouldn't you put in the time reviewing videos, the play book, have chalk talks with the coaches and fellow players? Wouldn't you be doubly motivated to learn the mental aspects of the game when you knew your mobility was going to be reduced? But Griffin didn't bother.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
StorminMormon86 wrote:I'm really confused by our fanbase. After a phenomenal rookie year and a crappy 2nd year, some have come to the conclusion that he's going to be a bust. Others say he's going to be even better than his rookie year. How they came to either conclusion, I have no idea. I'm not ready to call Griffin a bust at all, but I'm not ready to anoint him the savior and think he's going to prove anyone wrong next year.
And for people who think race is a factor in the "bashing" of Griffin, if Peyton Manning or Tom Brady were on teams that were 3-12 playing the way Griffin did this year (awful), you'd be a fool to think there wouldn't be IMMENSE scrutiny thrown their way.
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Likewise I'm sick of fans saying how horrible he played this year... Jus as many yards as Cam Newton and he has had two MORE games then bob. If we had a competent defense and special.teams maybe Wed be talking playoffs right now. To surmise griffs season as awful, is just as boneheaded as calling Cousins the saviour after three mediocre games.
Some of us are hoping rgiii makes a come back and plays to a higher level based on what we've seen him do at Baylor, and his rookie year. He is a work horse doesn't even drink eat sleeps and breathes football. We know his work ethic and remain hopeful he shuts all his doubters up next year.
StorminMormon86 wrote:cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Likewise I'm sick of fans saying how horrible he played this year... Jus as many yards as Cam Newton and he has had two MORE games then bob. If we had a competent defense and special.teams maybe Wed be talking playoffs right now. To surmise griffs season as awful, is just as boneheaded as calling Cousins the saviour after three mediocre games.
Some of us are hoping rgiii makes a come back and plays to a higher level based on what we've seen him do at Baylor, and his rookie year. He is a work horse doesn't even drink eat sleeps and breathes football. We know his work ethic and remain hopeful he shuts all his doubters up next year.
You would be kidding yourself if you don't think he's had an awful year.
Deadskins wrote:OldSchool wrote:If you were earning millions of dollars wouldn't you put in the time reviewing videos, the play book, have chalk talks with the coaches and fellow players? Wouldn't you be doubly motivated to learn the mental aspects of the game when you knew your mobility was going to be reduced? But Griffin didn't bother.
Says who?
StorminMormon86 wrote:No Kaepernick is not even close to playing as good as Griffin has this year. Considering he's thrown less picks, has a higher rating, and is the quarterback on an 11-4 team going back into the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row.
StorminMormon86 wrote:I'm really confused by our fanbase. After a phenomenal rookie year and a crappy 2nd year, some have come to the conclusion that he's going to be a bust. Others say he's going to be even better than his rookie year. How they came to either conclusion, I have no idea. I'm not ready to call Griffin a bust at all, but I'm not ready to anoint him the savior and think he's going to prove anyone wrong next year.
Countertrey wrote:Deadskins wrote:OldSchool wrote:If you were earning millions of dollars wouldn't you put in the time reviewing videos, the play book, have chalk talks with the coaches and fellow players? Wouldn't you be doubly motivated to learn the mental aspects of the game when you knew your mobility was going to be reduced? But Griffin didn't bother.
Says who?
eh... you know how it is, DS... sometimes, it's just easier to pull your facts from that dark place between your butt cheeks... dig?
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Deadskins wrote:Countertrey wrote:Deadskins wrote: Says who?
eh... you know how it is, DS... sometimes, it's just easier to pull your facts from that dark place between your butt cheeks... dig?
I guess you'd kind of have to.
riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:I'm really confused by our fanbase. After a phenomenal rookie year and a crappy 2nd year, some have come to the conclusion that he's going to be a bust. Others say he's going to be even better than his rookie year. How they came to either conclusion, I have no idea. I'm not ready to call Griffin a bust at all, but I'm not ready to anoint him the savior and think he's going to prove anyone wrong next year.
Why are you confused by our fanbase? Its very simple. If we are not winning, everybody sucks. Especially the QB.
I don't know about a "savior", but I don't have much doubt that RGIII will have a better year next year. If for no other reason than he'll be healthier, have a real offseason, etc; I don't think last year's performance was a fluke. The real question to me is will the rest of the team be able to improve enough so we can get back to winning.
Just flipping through this thread, I still feel pretty happy that we have both RGIII and Cousins right now. Without QB questions, hopefully the FA money and draft picks can be focused on the less sexy positions. Strengthen the offensive line and get us a few more playmakers on defense.
The voices... you know the ones...Deadskins wrote:OldSchool wrote:If you were earning millions of dollars wouldn't you put in the time reviewing videos, the play book, have chalk talks with the coaches and fellow players? Wouldn't you be doubly motivated to learn the mental aspects of the game when you knew your mobility was going to be reduced? But Griffin didn't bother.
Says who?
why are the same posters the only ones hearing these voices ..Countertrey wrote:The voices... you know the ones...Deadskins wrote:Says who?OldSchool wrote:If you were earning millions of dollars wouldn't you put in the time reviewing videos, the play book, have chalk talks with the coaches and fellow players? Wouldn't you be doubly motivated to learn the mental aspects of the game when you knew your mobility was going to be reduced? But Griffin didn't bother.
SkinsJock wrote:why are the same posters the only ones hearing these voices ..Countertrey wrote:The voices... you know the ones...Deadskins wrote:Says who?
Countertrey wrote:Perhaps it's a gift.SkinsJock wrote:why are the same posters the only ones hearing these voices ..
StorminMormon86 wrote:I should have known, haha. I'm not saying last years performance was a fluke, but I'm not ready to declare that Griffin will be that guy again so soon. My real concern is that the offense is going to be seen as "gimmick-y", and that the defenses have caught up with it and adjusted accordingly. That is my strongest concern going into next year.
RG3peat wrote:Im not a Cousins for President...Its a team effort...win or lose. RG3 though had a good season when they played a last place schedule and not so good when a 1st place one...DEFENSE also....Next year all healed up to play yet again a last place schedule....we shall see if hes up and down v/s the competition.