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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote: If Shanny is here next Sunday, who is the idiot to blame then, Bruce?

IF Mike wants to be here and he's coaching next Sunday - why is that a problem? - just because you think he should be fired does NOT make it the right choice

I don't want Snyder having anything to do with the players or coaches like he did

SkinsJock wrote:I cannot understand WHY anyone with any sense wants Snyder to make any decisions here - SNYDER KNOWS NOTHING

IF IN FACT Mike wants to leave here then he should do that but that leaves Bruce to make the decisions NOT Snyder

Snyder will VERY QUICKLY put us in the hole again - SNYDER KNOWS NOTHING

ESPECIALLY - WHO SHOULD PLAY OR COACH THIS FRANCHISE

Thats ok, you probably don't understand how to run a successful business. Snyder knows business, as he is very rich and owns THIS business we are discussing. Shanny is failing his company tremendously and hasn't got the balls to fire crappy coordinators not doing their job. No one is asking for Snyder to coach, just cut the dead weight bums who are getting paid to coach.. that are NOT doing so.
For not "liking Shanny" u sure defend the bum a lot. I don't care if it was gibs, if he gave up on the team and quit trying like mike has, he too would need to be removed, its how it goes. The leadership here isn't leading... Time for new leaders; its basic management and really IS that cut and dry.... Sorry.

SkinsJock wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote: If Shanny is here next Sunday, who is the idiot to blame then, Bruce?

IF Mike wants to be here and he's coaching next Sunday - why is that a problem? - just because you think he should be fired does NOT make it the right choice

I don't want Snyder having anything to do with the players or coaches like he did

Less then a week ago I posted a thread called conspiracy theory.. hoping mike understood this wasn't our year but would have some pieces in place to go deep next year. After watching HIM, not the crap on the field but the man, I see a man who has quit long ago. He has give. Up, and the players showed what a coachless team looks like. There is no more fight in that dog so you take him out, plain as day. His awkward presser was the final nail in the coffin... Anyone would be a fool to.let a man like that carry on destroying your franchise.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote: If Shanny is here next Sunday, who is the idiot to blame then, Bruce?

IF Mike wants to be here and he's coaching next Sunday - why is that a problem? - just because you think he should be fired does NOT make it the right choice

I don't want Snyder having anything to do with the players or coaches like he did

Less then a week ago I posted a thread called conspiracy theory.. hoping mike understood this wasn't our year but would have some pieces in place to go deep next year. After watching HIM, not the crap on the field but the man, I see a man who has quit long ago. He has give. Up, and the players showed what a coachless team looks like. There is no more fight in that dog so you take him out, plain as day. His awkward presser was the final nail in the coffin... Anyone would be a fool to.let a man like that carry on destroying your franchise.

+1

This team was on fire the 2nd half of last year, AND they have upgrades to certain positions this year; there's a change in the climate here...more and more this year, MS seemed to be withdrawn. Just go on the Skins' website and watch the press conference videos. He's burnt out here, and the straw that broke the camel's back was the Seahawks' game controversy.

(1) Fire Shanahan now. End the Follies.

(2) Hire Russ Grimm...I believe he lost his job at Arizona and was not hired this season.

(3) Let Shanahan's assistants serve out the season...on trial for Grimm. Maybe keep some next year. Clear out at least the OC and DC.

(4) Play Captain Kirk. Sit Robert Griffin. He's good, but there is no point now. Let the knee heal. Let him watch film, practice, but no in-game hitting.

(5) Keep Allen. Yes, I'm sentimental about the guys who made the Redskins good in the '70s and '80s, and about their football-oriented sons. Let Allen pick out some free agents.

I'm a bit disappointed in myself for not noticing this yesterday, but Lavar Arrington pointed out on NFL AM this morning that Shanny was the only person who stepped up to the microphone yesterday with the television screens behind the podium turned off. No Redskins logos shining behind Shanahan as he gave those non-answers. He's toast.

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

SkinsJock wrote: .. I don't want Snyder having anything to do with the players or coaches like he did

Less then a week ago I posted a thread called conspiracy theory.. hoping mike understood this wasn't our year but would have some pieces in place to go deep next year. After watching HIM, not the crap on the field but the man, I see a man who has quit long ago. He has give. Up, and the players showed what a coachless team looks like. There is no more fight in that dog so you take him out, plain as day. His awkward presser was the final nail in the coffin... Anyone would be a fool to let a man like that carry on destroying your franchise.

+1 - This team was on fire the 2nd half of last year, AND they have upgrades to certain positions this year; there's a change in the climate here … more and more this year MS seemed to be withdrawn.
Just go on the Skins' website and watch the press conference - He's burnt out here, and the straw that broke the camel's back was the Seahawks' game controversy.

THIS IS NOT GOOD - I'm in favor of getting rid of Mike IF he's 'LOST' the team - HOWEVER - I ESPECIALLY DO NOT WANT SNYDER INVOLVED - AT ALL

IF WE DO HAVE TO CHANGE HCs - we need Bruce to bring in a guy like Russ Grimm or find a STRONG NFL HC

Dan Snyder needs to leave ALL decisions up to Bruce and guys that KNOW SOMETHING/ANYTHING ABOUT THE NFL

The problem with a new coaching staff, as Gruden pointed out on MNF a couple of weeks ago, is what if they come in with a completely new scheme that Griffin can't excel in? Then we spent a King's ransom for nothing. Shanahan needs to finish this season out, and wait to see what happens in the offseason before they make a decision on bringing him back for year 5.

^^ We WILL see a new HC here soon if Mike wants to leave or if he's really 'lost the team'

The ONLY concern is Dan Snyder - he needs to stay away and not have anything to do with things here

SkinsJock wrote:There is no way that anyone with any sense would look at firing Mike at this time as anything BUT a knee jerk reaction by a jerk of an owner …

Firing Shanny, or even the entire coaching staff (even if it happened right now) could hardly be viewed as a "knee jerk" reaction given the team's performance over the course of the entire season...I wouldn't have had a problem with them being let go at mid season, that's how bad this team has been this year....

StorminMormon86 wrote:The problem with a new coaching staff, as Gruden pointed out on MNF a couple of weeks ago, is what if they come in with a completely new scheme that Griffin can't excel in? Then we spent a King's ransom for nothing. Shanahan needs to finish this season out, and wait to see what happens in the offseason before they make a decision on bringing him back for year 5.

say what? - The only person that would do something like that is Dan Snyder

Nobody with any football sense would bring in a HC or OC that do not know how to take advantage of all that Robert can do as the leader and QB of this franchise

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:The problem with a new coaching staff, as Gruden pointed out on MNF a couple of weeks ago, is what if they come in with a completely new scheme that Griffin can't excel in? Then we spent a King's ransom for nothing. Shanahan needs to finish this season out, and wait to see what happens in the offseason before they make a decision on bringing him back for year 5.

say what? - The only person that would do something like that is Dan Snyder

Nobody with any football sense would bring in a HC or OC that do not know how to take advantage of all that Robert can do as the leader and QB of this franchise

Maybe Gruden was talking about himself?

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Nobody would bring in a HC or OC that would not take advantage of all that Robert can do as QB of this franchise

Maybe Gruden was talking about himself?

I'm VERY sure that Gruden would find a way to help his OC take full advantage of all that a QB like Robert can do

I really doubt that Gruden would come here and I cannot fault him for that

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:The problem with a new coaching staff, as Gruden pointed out on MNF a couple of weeks ago, is what if they come in with a completely new scheme that Griffin can't excel in? Then we spent a King's ransom for nothing. Shanahan needs to finish this season out, and wait to see what happens in the offseason before they make a decision on bringing him back for year 5.

say what? - The only person that would do something like that is Dan Snyder

Nobody with any football sense would bring in a HC or OC that do not know how to take advantage of all that Robert can do as the leader and QB of this franchise

Dan Snyder and "football sense" should never be uttered in the same sentence. And Gruden brought up a great point, if they bring in a guy who doesn't do the read option college style offense and Griffin has trouble adapting to it, the guy could switch to Cousins. It's a legitimate point.

StorminMormon86 wrote: And Gruden brought up a great point, if they bring in a guy who doesn't do the read option college style offense and Griffin has trouble adapting to it, the guy could switch to Cousins. It's a legitimate point.

it's really not a legitimate point - we are NOT running the read option this season - Kyle has been trying to get Robert to 'adapt' and that is an ongoing process
it's very clear to most of us that Robert is the best choice to be the QB here and for years to come

Why would anyone think that Cousins might be a better QB than Robert?

any HC coming in here is going to try and help Robert become the best QB he can be BECAUSE Robert is much more talented than Cousins

You would think, but it sounded to me like Gruden was saying that if he were the coach, he would make the change to Cousins.

Deadskins wrote:You would think, but it sounded to me like Gruden was saying that if he were the coach, he would make the change to Cousins.

good for him - he's NOT coming here as HC - NO WAY

Doesn't matter who they bring in as OC. If Snyder is showing preferential treatment to Griffin, that's a recipe for disaster. EVERYONE on the CBS pregame show yesterday confirmed this. Even if it's not true, the bug is still out there, and people would be leery to walk into a situation where the QB can undermine the head coach.

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:You would think, but it sounded to me like Gruden was saying that if he were the coach, he would make the change to Cousins.

good for him - he's NOT coming here as HC - NO WAY

Why do you say that? Because you don't think he would want to, or you don't think The Danny would ever hire him?

SkinsJock wrote:^^ We WILL see a new HC here soon if Mike wants to leave or if he's really 'lost the team'

The ONLY concern is Dan Snyder - he needs to stay away and not have anything to do with things here

100% agree. Anything that involves Snyder ends in failure. He needs to stay back ---- far back. If he is going to keep Allen, have him run the coaching search.

And MS should see out the season. Firing coaches mid-season is useless; especially when the OC and DC are directly tied to you.

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote: And Gruden brought up a great point, if they bring in a guy who doesn't do the read option college style offense and Griffin has trouble adapting to it, the guy could switch to Cousins. It's a legitimate point.

it's really not a legitimate point - we are NOT running the read option this season - Kyle has been trying to get Robert to 'adapt' and that is an ongoing process it's very clear to most of us that Robert is the best choice to be the QB here and for years to come

Yeah I'm not really buying that argument. Like SJ said, we're not running the read option. I don't think we drafted RGIII to run the read option to begin with. They just sort of morphed into that because the o-line was so bad, it gave him a chance. He's a good QB. He's either going to continue to get better or he's not.

Not to mention, Snyder isn't going to hire somebody who doesn't want to work with RGIII.

It is critical to Robert's development as a better all around QB that he gets a lot of quality help this coming off season



I'm listening to Mike's presser right now and it does sound like he's planning on being here for this week

I guess a lot of fans here WHO HAVE NO CLUE are going to be VERY upset that Mike will still be the HC this week

I LOVE THAT

SkinsJock wrote:It is critical to Robert's development as a better all around QB that he gets a lot of quality help this coming off season



I'm listening to Mike's presser right now and it does sound like he's planning on being here for this week

I guess a lot of fans here WHO HAVE NO CLUE are going to be VERY upset that Mike will still be the HC this week

I LOVE THAT

Whos going to be upset? I expect that from our coach and all the way to the end of the season to boot.

SkinsJock wrote:I cannot understand WHY anyone with any sense wants Snyder to make any decisions here - SNYDER KNOWS NOTHING

IF IN FACT Mike wants to leave here then he should do that but that leaves Bruce to make the decisions NOT Snyder

Snyder will VERY QUICKLY put us in the hole again - SNYDER KNOWS NOTHING
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ESPECIALLY - WHO SHOULD PLAY OR COACH THIS FRANCHISE

Give it a rest already ... ok ... you think Snyder is stupid ... forgetting that stupid people rarey beome Billionaires, especially by the age of 40.

But just how much deeper of a hole can you get into than 3-10, and being a shmeful embarassment that makes Zorn look like s better option

That's what the Titanic did ... stay the course, full speed ahead! We know how thst turned out, don't we ?

The truth is, this team has quit. We have been hearing rumbling from players for weeks now ... Moss, Garcon ... RG3, and we haven't seen improvement ... it's going in the wrong direction.

As for RG3 ... his numbers on Sunday ... 12 for 26, 130 yards, 1 td, 1 int are Tim Tebow numbers ... is it really Robert, or is it the base offense (minus Robert and Alfred runnin for 200 yards)? Remember .... McNabb? Grossman and Beck ? They couldn't make this offense click either. Only Robert was able to last year, and it wasn't the base offense that worked so well ... it was the read option that worked, executed by a kid with freakish spead and agility. That opened everything else up.

Take last year out of the picture, and what we see this year is a lot like what we saw in years 1&2.

riggofan wrote:Not to mention, Snyder isn't going to hire somebody who doesn't want to work with RGIII.

Fair enough. Gruden just said if you bring in a guy who sees something he likes in Cousins, it would bring in the inevitable QB controversy.