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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Are we gonna switch HC w the Texans? Kubiac here Shanny there? Kyle might be safe if so..
riggofan wrote: … When leaks like this start to happen, this is somebody positioning themselves. Possibly also Shanahan trying to force Snyder's hand into firing him.
I don't think the truth of the story is really as important as the fact that this story is coming out now at all.
Its also not some random blogger speculating. This is coming through ESPN. This makes me think its a lot more likely that Mike is gone.
SKINS#1 wrote:I think Bruce Allen was on board before Shanny and must have been involved in bringing him to the Redskins. Don't think this is all on the owner.
SkinsJock wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:I think Bruce Allen was on board before Shanny and must have been involved in bringing him to the Redskins. Don't think this is all on the owner.
we all know that Bruce Allen was hired by Dan Snyder BECAUSE Mike Shanahan recommended him
SKINS#1 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:I think Bruce Allen was on board before Shanny and must have been involved in bringing him to the Redskins. Don't think this is all on the owner.
we all know that Bruce Allen was hired by Dan Snyder BECAUSE Mike Shanahan recommended him
I just did some checking and BA was hired before Shanny. Also, read BA may have been the driving force in drafting RG3 over Shanny objection. Not sure I believe this but the next few months will be interesting.
Countertrey wrote:
No. I was the driving force behind the drafting of RG3... just ask anyone here...
SKINS#1 wrote:I think Bruce Allen was on board before Shanny and must have been involved in bringing him to the Redskins. Don't think this is all on the owner.
SKINS#1 wrote:I just did some checking and BA was hired before Shanny.
Also, read BA may have been the driving force in drafting RG3 over Shanny objection. Not sure I believe this but the next few months will be interesting.
Please Danny, wait until the end of the season before making any coaching changes. If you fire Shanny now, you may as well slit your own wrists, because there is no way another coach worth anything would ever come here.Deadskins wrote:[-o< Please Danny, wait until the end of the season before making any coaching changes. If you fire Shanny now, you may as well slit your own wrists, because there is no way another coach worth anything would ever come here.
Countertrey wrote:SKINS#1 wrote: … Also, read BA may have been the driving force in drafting RG3 over Shanny objection. Not sure I believe this but the next few months will be interesting.
No. I was the driving force behind the drafting of RG3... just ask anyone here...
Deadskins wrote:[-o< Please Danny, wait until the end of the season before making any coaching changes. If you fire Shanny now, you may as well slit your own wrists, because there is no way another coach worth anything would ever come here.
Irn-Bru wrote:Wow, this situation devolved very quickly.
It's over. It's done.
The only question now is how Snyder is going to proceed. I doubt he's going to be able to attract a legitimate head coaching candidate, because if he's made one thing clear through 14 years of ownership and 7 head coaches, including a HoFer and another who will be considered for the HoF, it's that the job here is hell.
I am very afraid that we are going to end up with a splash that Snyder hopes will save face. Someone with a proven track record elsewhere but who won't be allowed to actually clean house here and run things according to his style. Gruden is a real possibility. Another splashy college coach is also an option.
No matter who he picks, it's not going to work, though.
We have one problem with this organization. All other problems stem from a single root cause.
It's the one thing — the only thing — that has not changed since Snyder took ownership
I am not optimistic that the next step will be positive. We had a real chance at that with Shanahan and blew it. I had real hopes that Snyder had learned his lessons, and that it was really Vinny who was to blame for our dysfunction. But I am now convinced I was wrong.
Today is my lowest moment as a Redskins fan that I can remember, because it brings back all of the issues I thought were going or gone years ago. I'm worried they will all come rushing back like they've only been gone for a week.
I've never seen a team beat so badly in a game. I've never seen a personnel situation with so much potential fall apart so pathetically.
GoSkins wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:Wow, this situation devolved very quickly.
It's over. It's done.
The only question now is how Snyder is going to proceed. I doubt he's going to be able to attract a legitimate head coaching candidate, because if he's made one thing clear through 14 years of ownership and 7 head coaches, including a HoFer and another who will be considered for the HoF, it's that the job here is hell.
I am very afraid that we are going to end up with a splash that Snyder hopes will save face. Someone with a proven track record elsewhere but who won't be allowed to actually clean house here and run things according to his style. Gruden is a real possibility. Another splashy college coach is also an option.
No matter who he picks, it's not going to work, though.
We have one problem with this organization. All other problems stem from a single root cause.
It's the one thing — the only thing — that has not changed since Snyder took ownership
I am not optimistic that the next step will be positive. We had a real chance at that with Shanahan and blew it. I had real hopes that Snyder had learned his lessons, and that it was really Vinny who was to blame for our dysfunction. But I am now convinced I was wrong.
Today is my lowest moment as a Redskins fan that I can remember, because it brings back all of the issues I thought were going or gone years ago. I'm worried they will all come rushing back like they've only been gone for a week.
I've never seen a team beat so badly in a game. I've never seen a personnel situation with so much potential fall apart so pathetically.
So now there's spreading the boycott news.
I really don't understand why Snyder just doesn't sell the team. He's made plenty of money here; hand the keys to someone who knows how to run this organization.
That said, who would want to buy this franchise? Its a train wreck. Name controversy, a QB with a media bullseye on his back, players going back and forth with the media. Same goes for coaching here...who would want to with all that's going on?
I won't have peace with this team until Snyder is not the owner anymore.
Ditto. Snyder has been and will be the problem. The only way he changes his behavior (I doubt he'll ever change the way he thinks) is if the fans "abandon" this franchise. Don't go to games, don't buy tickets, don't buy merchandise. If there is one thing Snyder does care about is money. Make him feel the pain of no shows and no merchandise sales.
Irn-Bru wrote:It's one of the top 10 most valuable sports franchises in the world. Hugely profitable. If Snyder wanted to sell, he'd have a buyer.
StorminMormon86 wrote:Funny how people are quick to blame Shanahan, even after this information has come out. Now I admit, I did place the blame squarely on him (foolishly thinking that Snyder did in fact stay out of meddling in the football side of the team). But now there's no doubt in my mind we have another Zorn-Portis-Snyder rift with Shanahan-Griffin-Snyder. I even read that after the Cleveland Browns game last year, Snyder completely walked right by Kirk Cousins, didn't even acknowledge the guy existed, and walked right over to Griffin and began to fawn over him. That really po'ed Shanny.
riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:Funny how people are quick to blame Shanahan, even after this information has come out. Now I admit, I did place the blame squarely on him (foolishly thinking that Snyder did in fact stay out of meddling in the football side of the team). But now there's no doubt in my mind we have another Zorn-Portis-Snyder rift with Shanahan-Griffin-Snyder. I even read that after the Cleveland Browns game last year, Snyder completely walked right by Kirk Cousins, didn't even acknowledge the guy existed, and walked right over to Griffin and began to fawn over him. That really po'ed Shanny.
Its funny man, because I've been a Shanahan defender. But I'm just not buying into all of this sniping. "Snyder walked completely by Kirk Cousins..." It sounds so freaking petty. What does that have to do with the 45-10 *** whipping the Chiefs just laid on you? You know what I mean?
I know you probably agree with me about that. My point is it that it really looks like Shanahan is trying to shift the blame on Snyder for all of this, and I'm not sure I buy it.
riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:Funny how people are quick to blame Shanahan, even after this information has come out. Now I admit, I did place the blame squarely on him (foolishly thinking that Snyder did in fact stay out of meddling in the football side of the team). But now there's no doubt in my mind we have another Zorn-Portis-Snyder rift with Shanahan-Griffin-Snyder. I even read that after the Cleveland Browns game last year, Snyder completely walked right by Kirk Cousins, didn't even acknowledge the guy existed, and walked right over to Griffin and began to fawn over him. That really po'ed Shanny.
Its funny man, because I've been a Shanahan defender. But I'm just not buying into all of this sniping. "Snyder walked completely by Kirk Cousins..." It sounds so freaking petty. What does that have to do with the 45-10 *** whipping the Chiefs just laid on you? You know what I mean?
I know you probably agree with me about that. My point is it that it really looks like Shanahan is trying to shift the blame on Snyder for all of this, and I'm not sure I buy it.