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iScrub wrote:Redskins fans are so fixated on RG3's woes that many don't stop to realize that the catalyst behind this season's disaster is the lack of a CAPABLE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR.

Josh Wilson is not a starting cornerback in the NFL. He may not be a starting cornerback in the CFL. Tyler Polumbus is not a starting offensive lineman in the NFL. Chris Chester and Polumbus were not just outmuscled and outquicked; the right side of Washington’s line was physically emasculated Monday night. Trent Williams is the best Robert Griffin III has at the moment, but even he has looked as if he were sleepwalking the past two weeks.

A highly respected NFL mind recently told me, on condition of anonymity, that Washington probably has four genuine starters on defense — Brian Orakpo , Ryan Kerrigan, DeAngelo Hall and Barry Cofield .

After a solid 2012 campaign, Stephen Bowen has been a disappointment. Jarvis Jenkins shows signs of coming around, but it’s unclear whether any long-term investment is worth it. That Reed Doughty and Kedric Golston have managed to not just stick around this long after being taken in the sixth round of the 2006 draft but to actually start and carve out veteran niches for themselves is not merely a statement about their own resolve and heart; it’s an indictment of the players they have beat out to get those jobs and an indictment of the people that brought their potential replacements in.

Unfortunately, Jim Haslett is going to be scapegoated this season, whether Shanahan stays or not. Here’s just one reason why he shouldn’t be: His starting secondary at the moment (Doughty, Hall, Wilson and Brandon Meriweather ) makes a combined $5 million this season, just as much as one particular starting offensive lineman.

No creative thought or money went in to addressing the holes of this defense since Haslett was hired. It’s led to a predictable result: So many substandard players have led to so few wins.

VRIEL1 wrote:I guess I'll add my 2 cents....

#1- RG3 is not 100% healthy. If he was he would not be wearing the knee brace. The brace slows him down and hinders his mobility but he needs it for support.
#2- Not all the problems are RG3's but he is having issue's this year like, timing is off- he's over throwing WR's and throwing to them late and the ball is behind them.
#3- He's not making good decisions with the ball. Throwing off his back foot. The INT's are obviously bad decisions. Rumors of not reading the defenses well and changing to wrong plays.
#4- Rumors of RG3 failing to see the open WR down field on just about every play.

Honestly I think the other issue's are the OL not cut blocking as much, RG3 probably being requested to no run as much and stay in the pocket for the protection he does not have. Only having two decent threats at catching passes in Garcon and Reed. The fact the opponents stack the line and decide to stop the run and challenge RG3 to throw.

riggofan wrote:

iScrub wrote:Redskins fans are so fixated on RG3's woes that many don't stop to realize that the catalyst behind this season's disaster is the lack of a CAPABLE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR.

Yeah, blame Kyle! He apparently forgot how to call plays since last year.

Can I suggest people take a look at Mike Wise's column today? Its a pretty sobering dose of reality. Quit looking for the simple answers, because they don't exist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/re ... rc=nl_most

Josh Wilson is not a starting cornerback in the NFL. He may not be a starting cornerback in the CFL. Tyler Polumbus is not a starting offensive lineman in the NFL. Chris Chester and Polumbus were not just outmuscled and outquicked; the right side of Washington’s line was physically emasculated Monday night. Trent Williams is the best Robert Griffin III has at the moment, but even he has looked as if he were sleepwalking the past two weeks.

A highly respected NFL mind recently told me, on condition of anonymity, that Washington probably has four genuine starters on defense — Brian Orakpo , Ryan Kerrigan, DeAngelo Hall and Barry Cofield .

After a solid 2012 campaign, Stephen Bowen has been a disappointment. Jarvis Jenkins shows signs of coming around, but it’s unclear whether any long-term investment is worth it. That Reed Doughty and Kedric Golston have managed to not just stick around this long after being taken in the sixth round of the 2006 draft but to actually start and carve out veteran niches for themselves is not merely a statement about their own resolve and heart; it’s an indictment of the players they have beat out to get those jobs and an indictment of the people that brought their potential replacements in.

Unfortunately, Jim Haslett is going to be scapegoated thppis season, whether Shanahan stays or not. Here’s just one reason why he shouldn’t be: His starting secondary at the moment (Doughty, Hall, Wilson and Brandon Meriweather ) makes a combined $5 million this season, just as much as one particular starting offensive lineman.

No creative thought or money went in to addressing the holes of this defense since Haslett was hired. It’s led to a predictable result: So many substandard players have led to so few wins.

riggofan wrote:

iScrub wrote:Redskins fans are so fixated on RG3's woes that many don't stop to realize that the catalyst behind this season's disaster is the lack of a CAPABLE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR.

Yeah, blame Kyle! He apparently forgot how to call plays since last year.

Can I suggest people take a look at Mike Wise's column today? Its a pretty sobering dose of reality. Quit looking for the simple answers, because they don't exist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/re ... rc=nl_most

Josh Wilson is not a starting cornerback in the NFL. He may not be a starting cornerback in the CFL. Tyler Polumbus is not a starting offensive lineman in the NFL. Chris Chester and Polumbus were not just outmuscled and outquicked; the right side of Washington’s line was physically emasculated Monday night. Trent Williams is the best Robert Griffin III has at the moment, but even he has looked as if he were sleepwalking the past two weeks.

A highly respected NFL mind recently told me, on condition of anonymity, that Washington probably has four genuine starters on defense — Brian Orakpo , Ryan Kerrigan, DeAngelo Hall and Barry Cofield .

After a solid 2012 campaign, Stephen Bowen has been a disappointment. Jarvis Jenkins shows signs of coming around, but it’s unclear whether any long-term investment is worth it. That Reed Doughty and Kedric Golston have managed to not just stick around this long after being taken in the sixth round of the 2006 draft but to actually start and carve out veteran niches for themselves is not merely a statement about their own resolve and heart; it’s an indictment of the players they have beat out to get those jobs and an indictment of the people that brought their potential replacements in.

Unfortunately, Jim Haslett is going to be scapegoated thppis season, whether Shanahan stays or not. Here’s just one reason why he shouldn’t be: His starting secondary at the moment (Doughty, Hall, Wilson and Brandon Meriweather ) makes a combined $5 million this season, just as much as one particular starting offensive lineman.

No creative thought or money went in to addressing the holes of this defense since Haslett was hired. It’s led to a predictable result: So many substandard players have led to so few wins.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Starting him behind THIS line will just make his stock plumet. He most likely will get hurt, and then what? Some people need to think things through before posting

riggofan wrote:That's a ridiculous comparison. For one thing, nobody around here is going to be that crazy if Shanahan does decide to bench RGIII. The only thing fans around here know that they like is CHANGE. They'll cheer if he benches RGIII, and they'll cheer again if he has to bench Cousins later to bring back RGIII. And if you don't believe that, you weren't around here for Rex-Becks-Rex.

gibbsfan wrote:Stick with RGIII and fix the problems around him.

I couldn't agree more with this.

gibbsfan wrote:Stick with RGIII and fix the problems around him.

I couldn't agree more with this.

SkinsJock wrote:

gibbsfan wrote:Stick with RGIII and fix the problems around him.

I couldn't agree more with this.

you're right and it really is just that simple …

brad7686 wrote:The reason behind the offensive woes are very simple. The O-line was constructed of players other teams cut because they could not pass block in the NFL. Shanahan thought he could hide that by putting them in a zone blocking scheme with a mobile qb and utilization of the read-option. Now, the qb is hurt, teams have figured out what we did last year, the Offensive line predictably can't pass block, the receivers are lame, just like last year, Trent Williams looks bad, and we are terrible.

The defense has been bad every year we have had Haslett and will continue to be until he is gone.

riggofan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:The reason behind the offensive woes are very simple. The O-line was constructed of players other teams cut because they could not pass block in the NFL. Shanahan thought he could hide that by putting them in a zone blocking scheme with a mobile qb and utilization of the read-option. Now, the qb is hurt, teams have figured out what we did last year, the Offensive line predictably can't pass block, the receivers are lame, just like last year, Trent Williams looks bad, and we are terrible.

The defense has been bad every year we have had Haslett and will continue to be until he is gone.

This is true but you're missing the point of WHY he had to use those players. We didn't have the money to spend on anybody better. How is that Shanahan's fault??? How about giving him some credit that we made the playoffs last year using those same terrible players, same terrible defense?

Man, people drive me freaking nuts.

brad7686 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:The reason behind the offensive woes are very simple. The O-line was constructed of players other teams cut because they could not pass block in the NFL. Shanahan thought he could hide that by putting them in a zone blocking scheme with a mobile qb and utilization of the read-option. Now, the qb is hurt, teams have figured out what we did last year, the Offensive line predictably can't pass block, the receivers are lame, just like last year, Trent Williams looks bad, and we are terrible.

The defense has been bad every year we have had Haslett and will continue to be until he is gone.

This is true but you're missing the point of WHY he had to use those players. We didn't have the money to spend on anybody better. How is that Shanahan's fault??? How about giving him some credit that we made the playoffs last year using those same terrible players, same terrible defense?

Man, people drive me freaking nuts.

I understand what you're saying, however Shanny has always tried to use undersized linemen because it's the best way to run the zone scheme. They used to be able to cut block, and also pass rushers have gotten a lot more athletic since Shanny was last relevant.

Irn-Bru wrote:Threadkiller: RGIII has been improving (with ups and downs), and last night he played a very good game. Handing him the reps for the rest of the year, barring injury, is the right thing to do to maximize our chances of success for 2014. Let's give the man a full offseason without rehabilitation, some improvement to our depleted roster, and let him finally take off the knee brace. Then see what he does.

Kilmer72 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Threadkiller: RGIII has been improving (with ups and downs), and last night he played a very good game. Handing him the reps for the rest of the year, barring injury, is the right thing to do to maximize our chances of success for 2014. Let's give the man a full offseason without rehabilitation, some improvement to our depleted roster, and let him finally take off the knee brace. Then see what he does.

But this makes too much sense. It isn't as interesting as (What If Scenarios).

oj wrote:Well, if you like what you've got then keep doing what you've been doing.

In my profession i have to fix things, when things are wrong you have to make a big change before you can finetune. Shannahan is trying to finetune when he needs to make a big change.