How do you fix this?

[SouthLondonRedskin]

We stink this season, but lets keep this in perspective.

Last season we over-achieved - due to an immense talent at QB and, just as importantly, an immense talent at RB joining the roster and lifting the group as a whole. That success was built on fragile foundations.

The simple truth is I seriously doubt any coach out there could have taken on this roster in 2009 and done a better job at over-hauling it, especially with a $36m cap hit to contend with and an injury to your new stud QB coming into his 2nd pro season.

Just think what a difference that money would make right now if it bought RG3 another 1-2 seconds in the pocket with better pass protection and if he had another quality WR to go to other than just Garcon... I mean did you see that stat that said Griffin had thrown something like 32 passes this season when we've been winning, 32 out of how many hundred!!! The kid is under a stupid amount of pressure.

Not to mention the improvements that could be made on D with the rest of that money.

If you look at the bigger picture we're actually in good shape. As long as RG3 stays fit he'll be dynamite next season. The offense has real quality to it with RG3, Morris, Helu, Garcon, Reed and Williams all top players. Just need to protect that QB better!

The D is a worry, We really miss Carricker in my opinion, plus Riley has been a disapointment. Would love to have seen where Robinson would be had he been fit but I like him. Rob Jackson needs to be involved more, Jenkins is not making the progress we all hoped he'd make, Cofield has been great in patches but Bowen has dropped off in my opinion.

Rambo has shown he's learning after early season erros, Amerson I think will be great, Meriweather I expected a lot more from... Again, would love to have seen what Phillip Thomas would have brought to the team. Hall has been good in my opinion, Wilson average, Biggers OK.

The biggest impact of the cap penalty has been on ST as you'd expect, where you have to make do in such a situation, we have not managed to do that sadly.

The point is Shanahan has brought some great talent in, but has been unlucky with the penalty and the injury to RG3, therefore he deserves the chance to bolster the team next season in free agency and in the draft.

[Kilmer72]

We stink this season, but lets keep this in perspective.

Last season we over-achieved - due to an immense talent at QB and, just as importantly, an immense talent at RB joining the roster and lifting the group as a whole. That success was built on fragile foundations.

The simple truth is I seriously doubt any coach out there could have taken on this roster in 2009 and done a better job at over-hauling it, especially with a $36m cap hit to contend with and an injury to your new stud QB coming into his 2nd pro season.

Just think what a difference that money would make right now if it bought RG3 another 1-2 seconds in the pocket with better pass protection and if he had another quality WR to go to other than just Garcon... I mean did you see that stat that said Griffin had thrown something like 32 passes this season when we've been winning, 32 out of how many hundred!!! The kid is under a stupid amount of pressure.

Not to mention the improvements that could be made on D with the rest of that money.

If you look at the bigger picture we're actually in good shape. As long as RG3 stays fit he'll be dynamite next season. The offense has real quality to it with RG3, Morris, Helu, Garcon, Reed and Williams all top players. Just need to protect that QB better!

The D is a worry, We really miss Carricker in my opinion, plus Riley has been a disapointment. Would love to have seen where Robinson would be had he been fit but I like him. Rob Jackson needs to be involved more, Jenkins is not making the progress we all hoped he'd make, Cofield has been great in patches but Bowen has dropped off in my opinion.

Rambo has shown he's learning after early season erros, Amerson I think will be great, Meriweather I expected a lot more from... Again, would love to have seen what Phillip Thomas would have brought to the team. Hall has been good in my opinion, Wilson average, Biggers OK.

The biggest impact of the cap penalty has been on ST as you'd expect, where you have to make do in such a situation, we have not managed to do that sadly.

The point is Shanahan has brought some great talent in, but has been unlucky with the penalty and the injury to RG3, therefore he deserves the chance to bolster the team next season in free agency and in the draft.

yeah, but if he doesn't try to switch to a 34 right away, Haynesworth is here happy to play in a 43. I know AH is fat and lazy but he didn't play bad at all when in a 43 for us. All that I put on Haynesworth. He could have tried to be a 34 guy.

[SkinsJock]

Haynesworth was not as interested in playing as he was in getting what he felt he was owed for how he played before he even came here - Fat Al used the "excuse" that he was lied to about how he was going to be used here - the fact of the matter was he wanted his money and then he was not willing to give anywhere near 100% to even get into shape to play - that guy is the definition of the biggest loser

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

I wonder what it would take to get Darrell Green in as a DB coach.

Heard Coooooooley talking about D. Hall getting footwork lessons on his own time this offseason and season from D. Green. Look at the difference in his play from that short period.

[Kilmer72]

I thought you guys should know this. Just in case you were lost. Dunkel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkel

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

With the exception of the few elite players, is it typically difficult to gauge the talent of a lineman in the draft? Or is it more of a conditioning issue transitioning into the NFL (kind of like how it is with lower tier WRs)?

[crazyhorse1]

I'm not sure I understand why we are not leveling more criticism at the way the O line is used …
last season the O line did not look bad running the read option offense - this season we've changed the way we run the offense and this group is not up to playing that way - not even close to being able to hold their blocks at all

I'm not sure about where to start on defense but the LB play we saw last night from the 49ers is a recipe for success
I'm OK with Orakpo and Kerrigan but we are hurting in the middle

the secondary is a major concern

I will say this - last night's game was not good at all and not a real indication of where we are at

that was just a terrible game from EVERYONE

We're one of the worse teams in the NFL and have the worse special teams and defense in the league. We are also last in our division and have no depth, as well as few top players. Our record with Shanny is abysmal, and the league norm in regard to that record or a similar one would be instant firing. Shanny's lucky we pulled off a seven game win streak streak last season. Otherwise, he would already be gone. Last night's game was a perfect indication of where we are at.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

Chase Minnifield just got signed off the practice squad. I'd like to see what he can do in Josh Wilson's place. Perhaps he could be an upgrade?

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... tice-squad

[SkinsJock]

..We're one of the worse teams in the NFL and have the worse special teams and defense in the league. We are also last in our division and have no depth, as well as few top players. Our record with Shanny is abysmal, and the league norm in regard to that record or a similar one would be instant firing. Shanny's lucky we pulled off a seven game win streak streak last season. Otherwise, he would already be gone. Last night's game was a perfect indication of where we are at.

There are numerous posts recently that seem to feel that the only way to make a point is to make an over the top, blanket statement ^^ this is one of those

We are not playing well and we have a lot of issues to address …

the case could be made that "we're one of the worst teams in the NFL" but we're also a team that is not playing as well as we're capable and we do have a number of very good young players to build around

"we were 'lucky' to win 7 in a row" - what the hell does that have to do with anything - OK - "we're unlucky we didn't finish this season with 7 wins in a row"

I believe that you're wrong about where we are "because" of Mike Shanahan

and the game against the 49ers was not a good indication of the state of this franchise at all
it was just a game that the 49ers played very well and completely outplayed our guys - it happens

step away from the edge -

[SKINS#1]

We all have opinions about How do you fix this but there is but one approach that makes sense for me. Snyder tells BA nothing less than a winning season for '14 is acceptable and he needs to make sure this happens. Then BA conveys this to Shanny with a requirement to have a plan for review within 30 days after end of season. BA needs to support Shanny with the understanding - winning is a must or changes will be made. The responsibility belongs to the Head Coach,

[crazyhorse1]

..We're one of the worse teams in the NFL and have the worse special teams and defense in the league. We are also last in our division and have no depth, as well as few top players. Our record with Shanny is abysmal, and the league norm in regard to that record or a similar one would be instant firing. Shanny's lucky we pulled off a seven game win streak streak last season. Otherwise, he would already be gone. Last night's game was a perfect indication of where we are at.

There are numerous posts recently that seem to feel that the only way to make a point is to make an over the top, blanket statement ^^ this is one of those

We are not playing well and we have a lot of issues to address …

the case could be made that "we're one of the worst teams in the NFL" but we're also a team that is not playing as well as we're capable and we do have a number of very good young players to build around

"we were 'lucky' to win 7 in a row" - what the hell does that have to do with anything - OK - "we're unlucky we didn't finish this season with 7 wins in a row"

I believe that you're wrong about where we are "because" of Mike Shanahan

and the game against the 49ers was not a good indication of the state of this franchise at all
it was just a game that the 49ers played very well and completely outplayed our guys - it happens

step away from the edge -

Your allegation to the affect I said that "we were "lucky' to win 7 in a row" is a false allegation. I actually said, "Shanny is lucky we pulled off a seven game win streak." I do not think we won by luck, but do think Shanny was lucky we won, since it saved his reputation. There's a big difference...and I do not not appreciate being misquoted. I'm writing it off this time as a mistake; next time, I'll call you out for being unethical.

[SkinsJock]

Your allegation to the affect I said that "we were "lucky' to win 7 in a row" is a false allegation. I actually said, "Shanny is lucky we pulled off a seven game win streak." I do not think we won by luck, but do think Shanny was lucky we won, since it saved his reputation. There's a big difference...and I do not not appreciate being misquoted. I'm writing it off this time as a mistake; next time, I'll call you out for being unethical.

I'm RARELY going to try and help you out, mainly because you are not as bad as some here but your posts are mostly IMO not even close to being worth reading
I always felt that you felt the same about me

that being said - I'll try winning 7 in a row last season was certainly not due to having a good team or by good play as a team or by having good coaching
we were mainly lucky to have a lot of good things happen during those games

IMO - THAT GROUP OF PLAYERS AND COACHES OVER ACHIEVED AND WERE NOT THAT GOOD - THEY WERE LUCKY

We won 7 in a row by a combination of having a few players playing very well together, having a system that the NFL was not familiar with and a lot of luck
I agree that Mike was ALSO 'lucky' as it most likely gave him another 2 years to close out his 5 year stint

and we are a lot better group of players and coaches than you think - because of Bruce and Mike Shanahan

[crazyhorse1]

Your allegation to the affect I said that "we were "lucky' to win 7 in a row" is a false allegation. I actually said, "Shanny is lucky we pulled off a seven game win streak." I do not think we won by luck, but do think Shanny was lucky we won, since it saved his reputation. There's a big difference...and I do not not appreciate being misquoted. I'm writing it off this time as a mistake; next time, I'll call you out for being unethical.

I'm RARELY going to try and help you out, mainly because you are not as bad as some here but your posts are mostly IMO not even close to being worth reading
I always felt that you felt the same about me

that being said - I'll try winning 7 in a row last season was certainly not due to having a good team or by good play as a team or by having good coaching
we were mainly lucky to have a lot of good things happen during those games

IMO - THAT GROUP OF PLAYERS AND COACHES OVER ACHIEVED AND WERE NOT THAT GOOD - THEY WERE LUCKY

We won 7 in a row by a combination of having a few players playing very well together, having a system that the NFL was not familiar with and a lot of luck
I agree that Mike was ALSO 'lucky' as it most likely gave him another 2 years to close out his 5 year stint

I agree with most of your latest post. When I find your posts tedious is in regard to Shanny and Bruce, who are not the football savants you think they are. Your support seems to be knee jerk and unrelated to what's happening on the field and in the FO. Shanny and Bruce are not even mediocre at building a team. Take away their luck in acquiring RG3 and Alfred, season in what they're done with the OL and the defense, and they're no better than Spurrier-- in fact, they have the same flaws. No protection for the QB, no depth, terrible D, no special teams, etc. People pass against us at will. Like almost everyone else, I'm tired of the nonsense. I want the team run "professionally." Need I mention the decision last year that led to RG3's debacle this year. He should now be benched to recover. Will he be. No, I don't think so. Will there be a effort to better the OL and find a worthy second WR? I don't think that either.

and we are a lot better group of players and coaches than you think - because of Bruce and Mike Shanahan

[crazyhorse1]

Your allegation to the affect I said that "we were "lucky' to win 7 in a row" is a false allegation. I actually said, "Shanny is lucky we pulled off a seven game win streak." I do not think we won by luck, but do think Shanny was lucky we won, since it saved his reputation. There's a big difference...and I do not not appreciate being misquoted. I'm writing it off this time as a mistake; next time, I'll call you out for being unethical.

I'm RARELY going to try and help you out, mainly because you are not as bad as some here but your posts are mostly IMO not even close to being worth reading
I always felt that you felt the same about me

that being said - I'll try winning 7 in a row last season was certainly not due to having a good team or by good play as a team or by having good coaching
we were mainly lucky to have a lot of good things happen during those games

IMO - THAT GROUP OF PLAYERS AND COACHES OVER ACHIEVED AND WERE NOT THAT GOOD - THEY WERE LUCKY

We won 7 in a row by a combination of having a few players playing very well together, having a system that the NFL was not familiar with and a lot of luck
I agree that Mike was ALSO 'lucky' as it most likely gave him another 2 years to close out his 5 year stint


and we are a lot better group of players and coaches than you think - because of Bruce and Mike Shanahan

I agree with most of your latest post. When I find your posts tedious is in regard to Shanny and Bruce, who are not the football savants you think they are. Your support seems to be knee jerk and unrelated to what's happening on the field and in the FO. Shanny and Bruce are not even mediocre at building a team. Take away their luck in acquiring RG3 and Alfred, season in what they're done with the OL and the defense, and they're no better than Spurrier-- in fact, they have the same flaws. No protection for the QB, no depth, terrible D, no special teams, etc. People pass against us at will. Like almost everyone else, I'm tired of the nonsense. I want the team run "professionally." Need I mention the decision last year that led to RG3's debacle this year. He should now be benched to recover. Will he be. No, I don't think so. Will there be a effort to better the OL and find a worthy second WR? I don't think that either.

[riggofan]

Your allegation to the affect I said that "we were "lucky' to win 7 in a row" is a false allegation. I actually said, "Shanny is lucky we pulled off a seven game win streak." I do not think we won by luck, but do think Shanny was lucky we won, since it saved his reputation. There's a big difference...and I do not not appreciate being misquoted. I'm writing it off this time as a mistake; next time, I'll call you out for being unethical.

I'm RARELY going to try and help you out, mainly because you are not as bad as some here but your posts are mostly IMO not even close to being worth reading
I always felt that you felt the same about me

that being said - I'll try winning 7 in a row last season was certainly not due to having a good team or by good play as a team or by having good coaching
we were mainly lucky to have a lot of good things happen during those games

IMO - THAT GROUP OF PLAYERS AND COACHES OVER ACHIEVED AND WERE NOT THAT GOOD - THEY WERE LUCKY

We won 7 in a row by a combination of having a few players playing very well together, having a system that the NFL was not familiar with and a lot of luck
I agree that Mike was ALSO 'lucky' as it most likely gave him another 2 years to close out his 5 year stint


and we are a lot better group of players and coaches than you think - because of Bruce and Mike Shanahan

I agree with most of your latest post. When I find your posts tedious is in regard to Shanny and Bruce, who are not the football savants you think they are. Your support seems to be knee jerk and unrelated to what's happening on the field and in the FO. Shanny and Bruce are not even mediocre at building a team. Take away their luck in acquiring RG3 and Alfred, season in what they're done with the OL and the defense, and they're no better than Spurrier-- in fact, they have the same flaws. No protection for the QB, no depth, terrible D, no special teams, etc. People pass against us at will. Like almost everyone else, I'm tired of the nonsense. I want the team run "professionally." Need I mention the decision last year that led to RG3's debacle this year. He should now be benched to recover. Will he be. No, I don't think so. Will there be a effort to better the OL and find a worthy second WR? I don't think that either.

Yeah I'm sure you're right. Next year with some cap space and money to spend, I doubt the team will make any effort to upgrade the OL. Because Mike and Bruce are mediocre idiots. Its a good thing they were so lucky to draft RGIII and Morris. I mean, when is the last time Mike Shanahan drafted and groomed a quality running back????

/sarcasm.

[Kilmer72]

Haynesworth was not as interested in playing as he was in getting what he felt he was owed for how he played before he even came here - Fat Al used the "excuse" that he was lied to about how he was going to be used here - the fact of the matter was he wanted his money and then he was not willing to give anywhere near 100% to even get into shape to play - that guy is the definition of the biggest loser

This is actually a pretty major gaff. Don't get me wrong. I know this is almost all on Haynesworth as far as being a professional. He was lied to though from the perspective, that he was coming to a 43, and that was a major reason for coming here. Snyder deserves a little blame there.

I'm not trying to bash our team; rather instead say, the mistakes cost us early.

[SkinsJock]

Haynesworth was not as interested in playing as he was in getting what he felt he was owed for how he played before he even came here - Fat Al used the "excuse" that he was lied to about how he was going to be used here - the fact of the matter was he wanted his money and then he was not willing to give anywhere near 100% to even get into shape to play - that guy is the definition of the biggest loser

This is actually a pretty major gaff. Don't get me wrong. I know this is almost all on Haynesworth as far as being a professional. He was lied to though from the perspective, that he was coming to a 43, and that was a major reason for coming here. Snyder deserves a little blame there.

I'm not trying to bash our team; rather instead say, the mistakes cost us early.

Snyder deserves a lot of blame but Haynesworth ONLY came to the Redskins for the money
Haynesworth never intended to really try and earn any part of the money he got - he felt that money was owed to him

There are 3 things I think are true - Fat Al was sure that we would be running the 4-3 but that had NOTHING to do with his coming here - NOTHING AT ALL

and

it did not matter what defensive scheme we were going to use Fat AL was not going to participate in any conditioning workouts before the season began

and

Fat Al made it very clear to his Redskins team members that he signed the contract ONLY to get money he felt he was 'owed' for what he did for the Titans and that he would most likely not even play for the Redskins because he'd already got his money

Fat AL never made any effort to earn any part of his contract with the Redskins

I'll throw in something interesting here - I think Jeff Fisher/Rams made the deal with Mike even though the Browns had a better deal in picks to PARTLY make up for what Haynesworth did after he left the Titans (& Fisher)

[Kilmer72]

Not defending him http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5895432

He did play well for us in the 43, just not superhuman like his contract suggested.

He is the biggest reason for our cap hit.

[Deadskins]

He is the biggest reason for our cap hit.

Not bigger than Mara.

[UK Skins Fan]

The cap penalty has hit this team's development badly. If we assume that Shanahan is not an idiot, then we would surely have a stronger o-line and secondary right now, had those 36 million dollars been available to spend in the last two years.

The o-line is our biggest offensive problem now, because its weakness prevents any level of consistency. Some claim that RGIII is struggling to develop as a pocket passer - my response to that would be: how would we know? He rarely seems to have a pocket from which to throw. The number of times that our o-line is overwhelmed is debilitating to the whole offense.

On defence, the secondary is miserable. That's obvious. But in front of that secondary, we continue to get little pass rush. I blame that partly on talent, partly on Haslett's approach, and partly on Shanahan's day one decision to switch to the 3-4 defence, and then failing to obtain talent that fits. Honestly, I think that if we switched to a 4-3 tomorrow, we'd be better off.

So, apart from a poor offensive line, a miserable secondary, defensive personnel that don't fit the scheme, a defensive coordinator with little track record of success and no history of coaching the 3-4, and a desperately disappointing receiving corps, plus horrific special teams.....well, I just can't see what the problem is.

[riggofan]

Haynesworth was not as interested in playing as he was in getting what he felt he was owed for how he played before he even came here - Fat Al used the "excuse" that he was lied to about how he was going to be used here - the fact of the matter was he wanted his money and then he was not willing to give anywhere near 100% to even get into shape to play - that guy is the definition of the biggest loser

This is actually a pretty major gaff. Don't get me wrong. I know this is almost all on Haynesworth as far as being a professional. He was lied to though from the perspective, that he was coming to a 43, and that was a major reason for coming here. Snyder deserves a little blame there.

I'm not trying to bash our team; rather instead say, the mistakes cost us early.

There maaaay be a bit of truth in that, but I really don't think it mattered with Haynesworth. Has anybody heard ey since he became a broadcaster open up about Fat Albert? Brutal.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... uman-being

"Because he was TRYING to get released by the team. His goal was to come here, make a large signing bonus, and then get released and not have to do any of the work. He didn't care about the back end of that contract, he didn't care about making all of that money. His idea was, you paid me for what I did in the past, and my goal is to be released as soon as possible and basically take $33 million from you for absolutely nothing"

[Kilmer72]

There are no excuses trust me. I was referring to when we first got him. His first two years he did as he was asked. Once he was told he had to play in a 34 the effort went out the window and he wanted to be gone with the money. If we hadn't have switched to a 34 he would have been compliant. You have to admit in a 43 for us he was formidable.

[welch]

How to fix this?

(1) Grit your teeth

(2) Suffer another painful season

(3) Protect Griffith enough that his legs are sound when the team gets a better OL

(4) Draft very smart in the later rounds

[SkinsJock]

I know that I'm biased but I don't think we're all that bad - bad, yes! but not hopeless

we'll be OK but we must ensure that Robert has a very busy offseason with Kyle and his offense

we also need the FO to ensure they continue to locate players that suit what we're trying to do here

[DaSkinz Baby]

The 2013 Washington Redskins look awful this season.
We can all agree on that, but the first step towards solving a problem is to identify what the problem is in the first place. So... how do we do that?

The first thing is to remember where we were in 2009 and look at where we are in 2013 …

AND

NOT over react to what we all saw last Monday night that was NOT indicative of where we really are

Be patient and give Bruce and Mike a little more time to continue the good work they've done with the front office, the scouting and everything they've done to fix the mess created by Snyder over many years

we have many issues with both the staff and the players but there are a few bright spots to build around and we need to continue with the Shanaplan

I'm looking forward to not having Mike as the HC but I do appreciate the work Bruce & Mike have done in fixing the mess created by Snyder

Sorry no way does that pathetic excuse for a head coach deserve more time, if the product he places on the field doesn't reflect that perhaps the continued starting of Chester and Polumbus is, they are going to get RGIII killed! I have never ever seen another team play another team, THE DEADSKINS and look like world beaters. Tuck had what 5 sacks last night? All on Polumbus and Chester YET AGAIN. Sorry this is beyond pathetic and if Shananigan's is here again next year look for the same pathetic product. I don't know why so many people refuse to accept that the game has passed this fool by...........