This team is being exposed in all areas

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Everyone keeps saying the refs were awful last night, but outside of the stupid roughing the passer call on Baker, I don't remember any bad calls. Maybe a bad spot here or there, but it's not like they cost us the game. Lack of execution by our offense in crunch time cost us this one.

Could you be anymore obvious...trying to find a way to pin the loss on rg3.....after letting ponder look like joe montana...russell wilson can have a terrible game but yet he will still win the game...why? cuz of his defense....ala against carolina, st louis this season

Some of us would rather discuss how our own players could improve their game, rather than complaining about the refs.

- RGIII threw a pass too high to Garcon to tie the game
- Reed dropped the game tying TD
- RGIII led Moss out of bounds on a game tying TD

Despite all the crap the refs did/didn't do, their destiny was in their hands and they failed. They failed.

Actually,
Reed was held so he dropped a pass, garcon dropped a pass that was catchable by any NFL wr, and moss b
Bobbled a td catch and didn't get his feet down. Most starting vets catch that. Rgiii put all three passes in a position for someone to do their job and make a play- not every pass has to be in a key hole window... No blame on rgiii this game... At all IMO he killed it!

[Irn-Bru]

Some of us would rather discuss how our own players could improve their game, rather than complaining about the refs.

I know there are people who complain about the refs after almost any loss, but in this case I think it's legitimate to talk about it. I almost never bring up the refs as a reason we lost, but I felt that they played a crucial role in Thursday's game.

- RGIII threw a pass too high to Garcon to tie the game

It wasn't perfect, but it was catchable. But let's go ahead and say RGIII is to blame.

- Reed dropped the game tying TD

He should have caught it, but I think being a rookie the pass interference was too much to overcome. I bet he makes that catch in year 2 or 3.

- RGIII led Moss out of bounds on a game tying TD

Wrong: RGIII placed that ball nearly perfectly on a covered receiver. It was a difficult catch to make, no doubt, but Moss could have made it had he done a better job dragging his feet OR securing the ball when it hit his hands. Moss has made catches like that before. (That said, I don't really blame Moss either. It was a very tough catch and he almost made it. To me this is just one of those "game of inches" moments where no one really is to blame.)

Despite all the crap the refs did/didn't do, their destiny was in their hands and they failed. They failed.

Agreed. I don't ultimately blame the refs. It would have been nice not to be handicapped by them, though.

[SkinsJock]

I don't blame the refs but hopefully somebody this week points out the glaring mistakes they made

I HAVE A QUESTION ….

I remember that Orakpo and Kerrigan were being held a lot and not getting the calls …

does anyone have any idea from film that these guys are still not getting all of the blatant holding calls?

now I know that there's a lot of holding, by us and by the opposition - I'm just asking

[SkinsJock]

can anyone answer my question ^^

thanks

[Kilmer72]

can anyone answer my question ^^

thanks

"does anyone have any idea from film that these guys are still not getting all of the blatant holding calls?"

Not from film no, if I am understanding your question. What I think it is, I get ridiculed for on here. I believe that all teams get the good and bad calls. Then there is

what I believe to be true. I think when you have money and gambling involved there will be outside interference. Casinos, mafia, people in charge can sway the game a little to benefit

the spread. People gamble. People are naive. Then, there are just the missed calls or bad calls involved. No one is perfect. It is exacerbating at times. I want to bang my head on the side walk

when I see Mike Tyson knocking someone out with a punch that never hit them. In football the game can't be controlled just by the refs. The players have to play and beat refs and the team they are playing.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

can anyone answer my question ^^

thanks

Not sure exactly what u are asking... Can I see BLATNT holds not being called? Yes. Kerrigan was put in a full nelson on consecutive plays in the fourth quarter vs the vikes, and t he no call led to no sack and of course points on the board. So the hold its self most likely propelling them to victory. It's cheating. Not the olinemans f ault the ref didn't call it, but it was plain as day, longer then a couple seconds, right in fro.t of a ref, and drastically changed the outcome of the plays.

[SkinsJock]

I think we're seeing a lot more calls against the Redskins this year than I'm used to … the refs are generally 'fair' about their calls and they miss a lot on both sides

this season, and maybe I'm a little paranoid, there seems to be more calls that don't go our way

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I think we're seeing a lot more calls against the Redskins this year than I'm used to … the refs are generally 'fair' about their calls and they miss a lot on both sides

this season, and maybe I'm a little paranoid, there seems to be more calls that don't go our way

Usually there are bad calls every game.. and against us that's nothing new.. Last year wasn't much better as I felt we had to beat the zebras AND the other team, but this year its just obnoxious. While some will contend "do enough to keep it out of their hands" yada yada... I disagree. It's not UFC where u keep it from going to the judges to win with a KO, we are being flagged for stuff the other team gets away with, and worse. That's like packing your gloves;cheating.
Last week Reed was called for holding on a PERFECT block on a sweep to the left, meanwhile Kerrigan is being put into submission moves and no call until a junk play we ended up declining. Helmet to helmet roughing the passer called when baker shoves ponder (not late, def no helmet contact, hell not even crazy hard-barely bumped him)and they watch rgiii get pancaked and take LOW hits (the Jared Allen one pissed me right the f off!) All game. The hits he was allowed to take were a lot worse then the one we were flagged for and its really tough to win like that... The pi on reed w the game on the line? Disgusting.
Really makes it tough to watch when its so one sided, I'd prefer to get blown out over the zebras puppeteering the outcome... Why even bring the skins out of the locker room?!
Seriously feel we r being bullied into a name change w this shiz

[Deadskins]

Why is it we always seem to get jobbed whenever it is Hoculi's crew working the game?

[SkinsJock]

There have been a lot of bad calls again this season …

hopefully, this Sunday, we can take the game away from those guys

[Countertrey]

Why is it we always seem to get jobbed whenever it is Hoculi's crew working the game?

THIS...

[SkinsJock]

Why is it we always seem to get jobbed whenever it is Hoculi's crew working the game?

THIS...

and I agree with that …

[Deadskins]

Why is it we always seem to get jobbed whenever it is Hoculi's crew working the game?

THIS...

And it goes beyond just making phantom calls on us, non-calls against the opposition, bogus replay reviews, poor spots, and other judgement calls. Did anyone else notice that when, with 2:09 left in the 1st half, Alfred Morris ran out of bounds stopping the clock, the refs restarted the game clock after setting the ball, letting it run down to the two-minute warning? In the last five minutes of each half, the game clock stops until the next snap on out of bounds/incompletions. That's rules 101. I can't believe someone on our sideline didn't catch or argue that. Of course, we scored anyway, but not until after we had used all of our timeouts.

[SkinsJock]

From play calling to defense to special teams … RG3 just overshadows it, so some people want to blame RG3 … yea I'm guilty before i get bashed.

Fire all the coaching staffs after this season.....

It's still too early to say that we're going to see a lot of coaching changes here … it all depends on how we finish the season

the fact is that in many areas of concern the FO were not able to help the coordinators, add or find players at positions of need
and
while we can point to this or that guy's unit not performing well, the players, not just the coordinators, have to bear some of the criticism too

on defense - bringing in a new DC does nothing if the secondary cannot cover ANYONE, the front 7 continue to miss tackles & there is very little pressure
I'm sure that even Haslett's D would look a lot better with a better secondary, a younger London Fletcher and group of players that swarm to the ball and make tackles

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Why is it we always seem to get jobbed whenever it is Hoculi's crew working the game?

THIS...

And it goes beyond just making phantom calls on us, non-calls against the opposition, bogus replay reviews, poor spots, and other judgement calls. Did anyone else notice that when, with 2:09 left in the 1st half, Alfred Morris ran out of bounds stopping the clock, the refs restarted the game clock after setting the ball, letting it run down to the two-minute warning? In the last five minutes of each half, the game clock stops until the next snap on out of bounds/incompletions. That's rules 101. I can't believe someone on our sideline didn't catch or argue that. Of course, we scored anyway, but not until after we had used all of our timeouts.

I thought it was jus me! I was like, um.... Why the hell is the clock ticking- are they gonna reset it? Then I almost believed he stayed in, until I rewinded it lol

[riggofan]

My only comment about the officiating is that I think we've definitely benefited from bad calls against our opponents as well. Would anyone disagree with that? It just seems like NFL officials have gotten more and more aggressive with their calls over the past few years. Like they're afraid to NOT make a call rather than just let the players play the game.

[PAPDOG67]

I believe the clock stops when a player goes OB inside of 2:00 in the 1st half and inside of 5:00 in the 4th quarter. I can be wrong, but I'm almost positive that's the rule. With that being said, as soon as I saw Hoculi doing the game I cursed my head off. His crew is terrible in general, and definitely seems to screw us all the time.

[Countertrey]

My only comment about the officiating is that I think we've definitely benefited from bad calls against our opponents as well. Would anyone disagree with that? It just seems like NFL officials have gotten more and more aggressive with their calls over the past few years. Like they're afraid to NOT make a call rather than just let the players play the game.

Nope... wouldn't dispute the occasional call that works to our advantage... but, can you seriously look at last Thursday's game, and declare that the Vikings actually committed only one penalty????

Do you consider overt "non-calls" aggressive? When the same OLB is overtly held on successive plays... when a fist full of jersey redirects a TE reaching for a ball... when a ball is advanced 2 feet on a spot repeatedly... when there are repeated calls that, on review simply can't be seen... and, when it's clearly worse when it's Guns Hoculi's crew... there's something up.

[Deadskins]

I believe the clock stops when a player goes OB inside of 2:00 in the 1st half and inside of 5:00 in the 4th quarter. I can be wrong, but I'm almost positive that's the rule.

I'm not sure when this rule changed, but you are absolutely correct.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... Timing.pdf

[Deadskins]

My only comment about the officiating is that I think we've definitely benefited from bad calls against our opponents as well. Would anyone disagree with that? It just seems like NFL officials have gotten more and more aggressive with their calls over the past few years. Like they're afraid to NOT make a call rather than just let the players play the game.

Nope... wouldn't dispute the occasional call that works to our advantage... but, can you seriously look at last Thursday's game, and declare that the Vikings actually committed only one penalty????

Do you consider overt "non-calls" aggressive? When the same OLB is overtly held on successive plays... when a fist full of jersey redirects a TE reaching for a ball... when a ball is advanced 2 feet on a spot repeatedly... when there are repeated calls that, on review simply can't be seen... and, when it's clearly worse when it's Guns Hoculi's crew... there's something up.

On the play right before the half, where RGIII ran it to the goal line, Greenway launched himself, helmet first, into Bob. That would have been a penalty (and probably a fine) if it had happened against any other QB (or any WR or RB for that matter) in the league, but not if he plays for the Redskins.

[DarthMonk]

My only comment about the officiating is that I think we've definitely benefited from bad calls against our opponents as well. Would anyone disagree with that? It just seems like NFL officials have gotten more and more aggressive with their calls over the past few years. Like they're afraid to NOT make a call rather than just let the players play the game.

Nope... wouldn't dispute the occasional call that works to our advantage... but, can you seriously look at last Thursday's game, and declare that the Vikings actually committed only one penalty????

Do you consider overt "non-calls" aggressive? When the same OLB is overtly held on successive plays... when a fist full of jersey redirects a TE reaching for a ball... when a ball is advanced 2 feet on a spot repeatedly... when there are repeated calls that, on review simply can't be seen... and, when it's clearly worse when it's Guns Hoculi's crew... there's something up.

On the play right before the half, where RGIII ran it to the goal line, Greenway launched himself, helmet first, into Bob. That would have been a penalty (and probably a fine) if it had happened against any other QB (or any WR or RB for that matter) in the league, but not if he plays for the Redskins.

I generally don't like going after refs but it certainly looks like almost anything goes against our QBs.

I feel like I see 5 to 10 all-out body slams per game.

WTF???

[Kilmer72]

You know, I really have to give Kyle Shanahan kudos. Normally, he would have abandoned the run if we were behind. He didn't. We still lost. If he had passed all day the score would have been much worse. I think he sees our identity now. We finally have a niche written in stone. That took stubbornness and moxie. I have to give credit where credit is due. For those looking for his head... This is another example of Kyle doing a good job even if we lost.

[Countertrey]

You know, I really have to give Kyle Shanahan kudos. Normally, he would have abandoned the run if we were behind. He didn't. We still lost. If he had passed all day the score would have been much worse. I think he sees our identity now. We finally have a niche written in stone. That took stubbornness and moxie. I have to give credit where credit is due. For those looking for his head... This is another example of Kyle doing a good job even if we lost.

ummm... sort of... but, at some point, when using an effective run game to set up play action...


you should actually run play action. Know what I mean?




Did I miss your sarcasm smilie, Kilmer???

[Kilmer72]

You know, I really have to give Kyle Shanahan kudos. Normally, he would have abandoned the run if we were behind. He didn't. We still lost. If he had passed all day the score would have been much worse. I think he sees our identity now. We finally have a niche written in stone. That took stubbornness and moxie. I have to give credit where credit is due. For those looking for his head... This is another example of Kyle doing a good job even if we lost.

ummm... sort of... but, at some point, when using an effective run game to set up play action...


you should actually run play action. Know what I mean?




Did I miss your sarcasm smilie, Kilmer???

You are right about the play action. I was feeling pretty good and didn't notice yesterday. I was listening to Doc Walker this morning and he was asked about the run heavy approach and he defended that by saying Robert has no confidence that he will get the time. The don't roll him out enough. It's like being in a house on fire. Doc also said the run heavy approach is all we could do because obviously our passing game is horrendous. When he does get the ball off he over throw or they run the wrong route or the ball gets dropped. This does not build confidence. Doc also talked about how well our running game was working and like you were alluding to. There wasn't play action.

[DarthMonk]

I believe the clock stops when a player goes OB inside of 2:00 in the 1st half and inside of 5:00 in the 4th quarter. I can be wrong, but I'm almost positive that's the rule.

I'm not sure when this rule changed, but you are absolutely correct.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... Timing.pdf

The clock always stops when a player goes out of bounds before forward progress is stopped. The issue is when the clock restarts. It restarts when the ball is spotted and the ref gives a signal UNLESS it is the last 2 or 5 minutes of the halves as stated above.

This rule went into effect in 1990.

Major rule changes

The following changes are made to try to speed up the game:

Whenever a player goes out of bounds, outside of the last two minutes of the first half and outside of the last five minutes of the second half, the game clock immediately starts when the ball is spotted for the next play and the Referee signals it is ready for play.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_NFL_season