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StorminMormon86 wrote:He'll probably appeal and play against Denver.

If that is true then it will mean his suspension was overturned, because the appeal will be heard and ruled on prior to the weekend.

riggofan wrote:

emoses14 wrote:Wouldn't an appeal stay his suspension for at least Denver?

Let's hope so. Every other player who has appealed suspensions for these hits so far has had their game suspension lifted.
Say what you want about Merriweather. I'm not saying he's the greatest player out there, but does anybody disagree that he's our best option at safety right now?

I agree with your premise but I also think that the NFL needs to find a way to make players like Brandon know that IF they are going to play in a manner that is in total disregard for the safety of the other players, then, they will be fined first, fined and suspended second, and lastly, kicked out of the NFL for not playing within the rules

The first hit wasn't even a foul. He deserves a suspension, but let's not act like he's a criminal out there. He's just somewhat dumb.

Launching your head into another person's head takes a level of dumbness since you can hurt yourself (like he did in the Green Bay game)

StorminMormon86 wrote:He'll probably appeal and play against Denver.

I said on the bottom of the screen on ESPN that he's definitely appealing but the league will hear the appeal before the Denver game.

I don't think that Brandon understands that what he's doing is wrong - he's been warned by the NFL and I'm sure the coaches have had words with him

he does not get it

I hope the NFL looks very closely at what he did in the last game and if they determine that he was trying to hurt players rather than just making a tackle, he should be suspended and when he gets back on the field he should be ejected from the game if he continues to make tackles like we've seen

this guy is not a hard player, he's a dirty player

SkinsJock wrote:I don't think that Brandon understands that what he's doing is wrong - he's been warned by the NFL and I'm sure the coaches have had words with him

he does not get it

I hope the NFL looks very closely at what he did in the last game and if they determine that he was trying to hurt players rather than just making a tackle, he should be suspended and when he gets back on the field he should be ejected from the game if he continues to make tackles like we've seen

this guy is not a hard player, he's a dirty player

Weather he is a dirty player or not, what he did on Sunday is not worth a suspension let alone a two day suspension! The first hit was a clean, good football pay. The second hit was late, but in all fairness he probably didn't see that Marshall had already dropped the ball. In both cases i think his intent was to separate the receiver from the ball. Of course he was doing it by trying inflict a lot of pain but he was trying to prevent a TD on the second play and the first play was a clean hit.

I'm sorry... Merriweather has a long history as a headhunter... and a long history of repeated penalties and fines for it. He has used up his total quotient of league slack.
If it's close... the call is being made. If he wants to play with the "line" the NFL has drawn, then he is going to experience the consequences.

Period.

Countertrey wrote:I'm sorry... Merriweather has a long history as a headhunter... and a long history of repeated penalties and fines for it. He has used up his total quotient of league slack.
If it's close... the call is being made. If he wants to play with the "line" the NFL has drawn, then he is going to experience the consequences.

Period.

I agree with Skinsfans' take on the hits in the Chicago game, but the league isn't suspending him for those 2 hits. CT I think gets at the heart of it, after x number of fines for the same behavior, more exacting punishment is necessary, hello suspension.

Also, John Mara.

I don't put THIS on Mara.

We are a much better secondary with Merriweather. With out him and against
QBs like Peyton Manning, we really are going to get torched. At least Merriweather knows what he is doing.

Rather he deserves it or not he is a marked man.

Merriwether has to know that he is hurting the team by continuing to play the way that he does - I don't care how good or important a player is, if he can only play in a way that hurts the team concept, he should not be on the field


hopefully we will try some other safeties who really want to help the defense ... not hurt it

skinsfan#33 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I don't think that Brandon understands that what he's doing is wrong - he's been warned by the NFL and I'm sure the coaches have had words with him

he does not get it

I hope the NFL looks very closely at what he did in the last game and if they determine that he was trying to hurt players rather than just making a tackle, he should be suspended and when he gets back on the field he should be ejected from the game if he continues to make tackles like we've seen

this guy is not a hard player, he's a dirty player

Weather he is a dirty player or not, what he did on Sunday is not worth a suspension let alone a two day suspension! The first hit was a clean, good football pay. The second hit was late, but in all fairness he probably didn't see that Marshall had already dropped the ball. In both cases i think his intent was to separate the receiver from the ball. Of course he was doing it by trying inflict a lot of pain but he was trying to prevent a TD on the second play and the first play was a clean hit.

TO CLARIFY ...

Brandon was NOT suspended SOLELY for how he played on Sunday ... he was suspended for continuing to play in a way that the NFL has determined is dangerous ...

THIS IS A GOOD THING - when Brandon next steps on a field and continues to play in that manner, I hope he is ejected from the NFL

he is showing no respect for his team or the other players in the NFL

I don't really understand what people believe makes him a "dirty" player. He's a safety who likes to hit. How is that different from Laron Landry? Or Sean Taylor?

The leading with the helmet thing just means he has bad technique at this point. That wasn't even a rule three years ago.

There's a whole group of safeties out there who have been getting fined and suspended for this stuff. I don't really buy that they're all "dirty". They're being told they have to change the way they have played their entire lives. And they're going to keep getting fined and giving up penalties until they do.

I guess you could make the argument that its "dumb" to continue to play that way. Not being in his shoes myself though, I don't really know how easy it is to make a decision in the space of two or three seconds to change the way you're tackling.

Well folks.. the man got suspended. Now please come out and tell me who is HAPPY that he's suspended.

SkinsJock wrote:Merriwether has to know that he is hurting the team by continuing to play the way that he does - I don't care how good or important a player is, if he can only play in a way that hurts the team concept, he should not be on the field

D. Hall takes risks.. sometimes he gets an interception.
Merriwether launches.. sometimes he makes great tackles.
D. Hall takes risks.. sometimes he gets burnt for touchdowns.
Merriwether launches.. sometimes he gets a 15 yard penalty.

So why not take D. Hall off the field too SJ?

Glad to see Merriweather's teammates have his back.

Josh Wilson:

I don't think Brandon's a bad guy or a dirty guy. We grew up watching guys play football, and that's how we play football. We just have to adjust."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/98678 ... cago-bears

I don't think that Brandon is a dirty player - the NFL has rules about how you play the game and Brandon does not seem to think he's breaking those rules

from the games I have watched - Merriwether is not playing by the rules as defined by the NFL

When a O lineman is caught holding and penalized it's OK - it happens - if that same O lineman continues to get caught and says - "it's the only way I can be effective and, besides, everyone does it ..." - would you think the coach should let this player play when he will continue to get called for breaking a rule that he does not think he is breaking

I am not happy that Brandon is not playing but I understand why the NFL has suspended him
if Merriwether is going to continue to play in a way that constantly draws penalties and may result in a suspension, then I hope he's not playing here

what am I missing?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -one-game/

At least it is one game.

riggofan wrote:I don't really understand what people believe makes him a "dirty" player. He's a safety who likes to hit. How is that different from Laron Landry? Or Sean Taylor?

Like it or not, the rules have changed. And if you look at two of Sean's hits (the one on Moorman and the block against the Lions) he led with this shoulder.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Well folks.. the man got suspended. Now please come out and tell me who is HAPPY that he's suspended.

Happy? No. Against it? No.

riggofan wrote:I don't really understand what people believe makes him a "dirty" player. He's a safety who likes to hit. How is that different from Laron Landry? Or Sean Taylor?

The leading with the helmet thing just means he has bad technique at this point. That wasn't even a rule three years ago.

There's a whole group of safeties out there who have been getting fined and suspended for this stuff. I don't really buy that they're all "dirty". They're being told they have to change the way they have played their entire lives. And they're going to keep getting fined and giving up penalties until they do.

I guess you could make the argument that its "dumb" to continue to play that way. Not being in his shoes myself though, I don't really know how easy it is to make a decision in the space of two or three seconds to change the way you're tackling.

You don't make that "decision in the space of two or three seconds"... you SHOULD practice like you play... that is when you make the decision... and, I will GUARANTEE you... he does NOT tackle like that in practice.

Countertrey wrote:

riggofan wrote:I don't really understand what people believe makes him a "dirty" player. He's a safety who likes to hit. How is that different from Laron Landry? Or Sean Taylor?

The leading with the helmet thing just means he has bad technique at this point. That wasn't even a rule three years ago.

There's a whole group of safeties out there who have been getting fined and suspended for this stuff. I don't really buy that they're all "dirty". They're being told they have to change the way they have played their entire lives. And they're going to keep getting fined and giving up penalties until they do.

I guess you could make the argument that its "dumb" to continue to play that way. Not being in his shoes myself though, I don't really know how easy it is to make a decision in the space of two or three seconds to change the way you're tackling.

You don't make that "decision in the space of two or three seconds"... you SHOULD practice like you play... that is when you make the decision... and, I will GUARANTEE you... he does NOT tackle like that in practice.

+1

It seems very likely that Merriwether is going to continue playing in a way that he feels is not an issue and he is obviously going to be 'watched' very carefully by the refs

if he is going to continue to play like that I hope he's not in B&G

Countertrey wrote:

riggofan wrote:I don't really understand what people believe makes him a "dirty" player. He's a safety who likes to hit. How is that different from Laron Landry? Or Sean Taylor?

The leading with the helmet thing just means he has bad technique at this point. That wasn't even a rule three years ago.

There's a whole group of safeties out there who have been getting fined and suspended for this stuff. I don't really buy that they're all "dirty". They're being told they have to change the way they have played their entire lives. And they're going to keep getting fined and giving up penalties until they do.

I guess you could make the argument that its "dumb" to continue to play that way. Not being in his shoes myself though, I don't really know how easy it is to make a decision in the space of two or three seconds to change the way you're tackling.

You don't make that "decision in the space of two or three seconds"... you SHOULD practice like you play... that is when you make the decision... and, I will GUARANTEE you... he does NOT tackle like that in practice.

^^THIS

2 points:
It isn't 2-3 seconds, it's less than 1.
If Merriweather deserves a suspension,why is Suh still in the league?

yupchagee wrote:2 points:
It isn't 2-3 seconds, it's less than 1.
If Merriweather deserves a suspension,why is Suh still in the league?

The Suh thing was next for me to "tackle". lol

I wonder if Lions' fans were happy when he was suspended

Preciate your response ACW.

langleyparkjoe wrote:

yupchagee wrote:2 points:
It isn't 2-3 seconds, it's less than 1.
If Merriweather deserves a suspension, why is Suh still in the league?

The Suh thing was next for me to "tackle". lol

I wonder if Lions' fans were happy when he was suspended

no real fan would be 'happy' about a player on their team being suspended ...

IMO the refs see film and are more likely to throw flags at players that have shown a propensity to play in a way that could be dangerous - Suh and Merriwether would be high on that list

if an O linemen gets a reputation for being really bad at holding defensive players, he probably gets a little more scrutiny - the same holds true in reverse and players like Orakpo and Kerrigan are likely to draw flags because the refs have seen the film of O linemen holding them

Merriwether needs to get it together - hard hits are not an issue - he is pushing the limit and will more likely draw a flag because of that