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StorminMormon86 wrote:
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Uh, yes they were. He's been referred to as "savior", "rock star", "electric wonder", etc. over and over and over again ad naseum. Sure he was dynamic as hell during his rookie year and everyone had high hopes coming into this year. Because of that, the 2 losses will cause the knee jerk reactions of benching him to start Cousins and other vents of frustration about him. Maybe those daily press conferences about being 100% and operation patience helped fuel the knee jerkers.


You and whomever else this applies to is 110% responsible for drinking that kool-aid. This kid is amazing and electric, but if YOU are not able to discern the reality of his abilities, that's on you.

You are not getting my point. The majority of the knee jerkers drank said koolaid, and because of the poor start during the first two games they are going to come out in droves with their nonsense. I'm just amazed that some people are surprised with the "bench Griffin" talk.


I get your point now.
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grampi wrote:The team is back at square one...every aspect of it is broken...the O is horrible...they need to go back to using more of the pistol offense, without it nothing else works...if RG3 can't perform, there's no sense in piling up losses when you've got a QB as good as Cousins sitting on the bench...the D can't stop anything, unless they're holding, pass interfering, or doing something else that's drawing penalty flags, and they can't tackle...speaking of penalties, I think this team is shooting for an all time record....this team looks exactly like the unorganized, undisciplined disasters we've seen so much of over the last 2 decades...I thought we were over that crap, but apparently not...I can easily see this team going another 3 or 4 games without a win....


Dude you must not of been at the game because Robert looked darn good and a lot of it wasn't on him in the 1st half. He's still learning to read defenses and is just going to get better with his football smarts. He was putting balls on the money for the most part but the receivers were either dropping the ball or getting no separation.

We also have to give the Packers credit where credit is due for while they weren't getting a whole lot of pressure unless they blitzed; their DB's were like my soggy wet blanket at the game they just stuck to em.

Defensively is where it's really fun to watch the games in person especially the secondary...we were getting pressure especially early when they had energy but once that started going away we really got to see some of the secondary's weaknesses as far as communication, tackling(well that was the whole team), coverage skills, and just doing stupid stuff. Merriweather got torched on the first Cobb TD since he was out of position. Poor Rambo just looks absolutely lost out there at times of course Rogers will do that tho. Amerson had some bad plays. Wilson really seemed to be our most consistent guy both tackling(he saved two TDs with shoestring tackles) and coverage. Doughty seriously looks like he's running in quick sand compared to everybody else. However with those points Rogers if just amazing with some of those windows he fits the ball into and their receivers are just night and day compared to ours when it comes to play making ability. Both James Jones and Jordie Nelson made multiple catches with guys all over them and Rogers putting the ball where only they can get it.

We played one heck of a team that played about as good as they can play. I really think we will come out the next couple weeks against the Lions and Raiders MAD and get our first W's of the year.

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After years and years of frustration and pain, its easy to think "here we go again."

In the big picture, would it really matter if we did bad this year, found a few long term gems, replaced the "fat" with lean players, and did great next year?

We have a damn difficult schedule this year. We're not going to have a great record, but I was still hoping for 10-6 again. Guess we'll see. That said, this difficult season is giving these guys (especially out rookies) reps against the best teams in the league. Either this year will kill them, or make men out of them.

Griffin looked better than he did last week. He looks much faster than he did when we first hurt his knee. From my view, he doesn't look up to speed, but neither is his passing. Conclusion: its mental; he's still learning to trust his knee.

He also has, on numerous occasions, hit receivers right in the hands and they dropped it. He was much more accurate this week, but our receivers are still thinking too much as the ball gets close to their hands.

The o-line is struggling because RG3 is not a run threat at present. Kinda hard for that crew to hold back the line and every LB & safety on the field. Make defenses respect RG3 as a runner again and you'll see Morris become as untouchable as ever, and our receivers having more room on account of split up defenses. The obvious big difference this year is a "Pat White" style running from RG3. The few times I saw RG3 run this year, he got down quickly or out of bounds. I'm a lot more comfortable with him now.

So either bring back the read option in all its glory, or come up with something new.

If nothing else, let this year be a learning year for them. Let it humble them. You can coach a humble player.

We'll get better as the year goes on. Next year, we'll upgrade that o-line with some FAs and drafts or perhaps even Compton will emerge as a star. Ditto for our DBs.
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HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:The few times I saw RG3 run this year, he got down quickly or out of bounds.

He slid once yesterday, and he was late and got hit. He still needs to work on it.
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HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:The few times I saw RG3 run this year, he got down quickly or out of bounds.

He slid once yesterday, and he was late and got hit. He still needs to work on it.


Yeah it was awkward he kind of landed on his knees more than his bottom and that seemed to be where he had some problems with the brace cuz he was tugging and pulling on it a lot
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:shock: c'mon people - it's not as bad as many are making it out to be

RG3 is here and while he's not working his magic the offense is going to be fine ...

I know I'm disappointed - but I'm also sure that these players and coaches will figure things out


last season we won the NFC East and I think this team is better than that

let's see how things go over a few more games before we start getting all pissed off
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SkinsJock wrote::shock: c'mon people - it's not as bad as many are making it out to be

RG3 is here and while he's not working his magic the offense is going to be fine ...

I know I'm disappointed - but I'm also sure that these players and coaches will figure things out


last season we won the NFC East and I think this team is better than that

let's see how things go over a few more games before we start getting all pissed off


I'm with you, man.
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SkinsJock wrote::shock: c'mon people - it's not as bad as many are making it out to be

RG3 is here and while he's not working his magic the offense is going to be fine ...

I know I'm disappointed - but I'm also sure that these players and coaches will figure things out


last season we won the NFC East and I think this team is better than that

let's see how things go over a few more games before we start getting all pissed off


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Why is it so many fans here want to give so many free passes? Personally and I may be wrong but I don't care what the redskins did LAST YEAR what is that going to get us when it's all said and done? What about the possibility that the skins were just lucky last year? Seems to me that this offensive line other than Trent Williams has regressed. This defense is about as bad as I have ever seen, and I think Haslett needs to be fired. His schemes, his plays are bush league, I think Orakpo isn't anywhere near what I once thought he was and Kerrigan is about the only decent thing this defense has going for it. We can't stop the run, stopping the pass is an incredible feat. If this team is good why is it so hard to go back to playing like you did when you were playing sound football? You mean to tell me after all the years they forget basic fundamentals like how to tackle? Sorry I am tired of always giving a pass it's always injuries, or suspensions or some other garbage. The fact is this offense is mediocre at best, RGIII is nothing without his legs, the offensive play calling has been terrible and the defense is pathetic.
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I don't know... why are there about 10 members here who only post when they have negative crap to say... are never here when things are cooking?

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^^^When are things ever cooking? Shouldn't we as fans have a reasonable expectation for the product being placed on the field? This has nothing to do with RGIII either this is about the defense and it's inability to tackle, cover other than Kerrigan this defense, the schemes and the play is an embarrassment.
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That's a perfect example...
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We'll win the division and make the playoffs, by then RG3 will be 110%, the defense will have learned to tackle and we'll have momentum just in time to make a run for the 4th ring.

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DaSkinz Baby wrote:^^^When are things ever cooking? Shouldn't we as fans have a reasonable expectation for the product being placed on the field? This has nothing to do with RGIII either this is about the defense and it's inability to tackle, cover other than Kerrigan this defense, the schemes and the play is an embarrassment.


Your reasonable expectations are just ludicrous. We're exactly three games into the season. 11 of the 16 NFC teams have records of 1-2 or worse. TEAMS IN THE NFL DON'T WIN EVERY GAME. GET OVER IT.

I'm with countertrey. Sick of the "fans" who only show up here to beat up the team when they lose a game.
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Okay Riggofan how many games do we have to lose for you to have a change of opinion? Do we have to be 0-8 or are you just the type of fan that no matter what your okay with the product Haslett is putting on the field?? I don't see how my expectation of being competitive especially being 4 years into the same coach is a ludicrous. I seriously don't see how this defense now being the record breaker for yards allowed isn't reason to be disappointed and upset. And as far as the other 11 of 16 teams I don't care about those teams. I know good and well teams don't win every fame, but Jesus Christ do we have to look so pathetic??
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Hey, quick question for the order; is anyone out there really, really unhappy with the job Haslett seems to be doing?

I feel as though we haven't explored that topic enough.
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emoses14 I saw no topics on the matter so I created one, if I didn't go back enough sorry my mistake.
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DaSkinz Baby wrote:emoses14 I saw no topics on the matter so I created one, if I didn't go back enough sorry my mistake.


While that was an (in)direct swipe at your bringing this up in seemingly every thread other than the one labeled Aldrick Robinson. It wasn't actually because of your thread pointedly on the topic. I've got no beef with that. Besides, I'm just messin with you anyway. :up:
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DaSkinz Baby wrote:Okay Riggofan how many games do we have to lose for you to have a change of opinion? Do we have to be 0-8 or are you just the type of fan that no matter what your okay with the product Haslett is putting on the field??


No. I'm the type of fan who at 0-3 isn't whining, "we gotta fire the coordinator". waaaaah! :-({|=

Its totally pathetic. The defense isn't good, but they gave the team a chance to win on Sunday. RGIII lost a key fumble and Aldrick Robinson dropped a TD pass in the end zone. That wasn't Jim Haslett.

And frankly if you want to complain about the product on the field this season, start with John Mara. There's a reason we're having to start rookies in the secondary and old guys like Fletcher and Hall. We couldn't even afford to sign ANTOINE WINFIELD this off season because of the cap penalty.

So yeah, sorry if you're not getting a lot of sympathy for your simpleton opinion of Haslett right now.
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^^Wow you make your feeling known on a message board and all of a sudden it's whining? I have whined since we hired that hack Haslett. Robinson dropping a sure TD or RG 0-3 has nothing to do with a defense that now is in the record books for the most yardage given up in 3 games. The offense also has nothing to do with a defense that seems like they have little to no cares about how terrible they look, especially when you have Josh Wison saying it's not about yards it's about wins and losses. I mean I may have just fell off the turnip truck but you have a better chance at winning a game when you limit yards, which limits first downs and often scores. But that's only my thought.
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Can we at least wait until the bye week before we start the sky is falling BS? Yes our D sucks and our O hasn't been much better. But let's wait until the bye before we start wanting to fire people.
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DaSkinz Baby wrote:^^Wow you make your feeling known on a message board and all of a sudden it's whining? I have whined since we hired that hack Haslett. Robinson dropping a sure TD or RG 0-3 has nothing to do with a defense that now is in the record books for the most yardage given up in 3 games. The offense also has nothing to do with a defense that seems like they have little to no cares about how terrible they look, especially when you have Josh Wison saying it's not about yards it's about wins and losses. I mean I may have just fell off the turnip truck but you have a better chance at winning a game when you limit yards, which limits first downs and often scores. But that's only my thought.

Yards don't mean jack squat. Points are all that matter.
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Well for all that think that points only matter have a mouth full of this stat:

In the past decade Hasletts defense has been ranked:27th, 28th, 28th, 31st 31st 21st 21st 22nd and 28th in points allowed. I guess this is acceptable...... :shock: ;furious;
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It's not acceptale. But firing him won't magically fix the team.
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Can anybody remember the coaching carrousel we had a couple of years back???
New coach, new system, learning curves..., I'm tired of "rebuilding years". Football is a game of inches, a couple of tweeks and we are back in business.
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