Wait Until After The Bye??

[SkinsJock]

IMO - RG3, Mike and Dr Andrews feel that he will be ready to play very soon ... IF any of them felt that the knee was not ready, he would not be allowed to play

RG3 has worked very hard at getting himself in shape to be able to play again ... Why would you not let him play?


I can understand that some fans do not think he can be ready to play again but they obviously do not understand the modern day miracles of medical science
these fans are probably basing their thinking on out of date recovery data

no worries - they will soon see RG3 erasing all doubts

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... 00-percent

[EA7649]

IMO - RG3, Mike and Dr Andrews feel that he will be ready to play very soon ... IF any of them felt that the knee was not ready, he would not be allowed to play

RG3 has worked very hard at getting himself in shape to be able to play again ... Why would you not let him play?


I can understand that some fans do not think he can be ready to play again but they obviously do not understand the modern day miracles of medical science
these fans are probably basing their thinking on out of date recovery data

no worries - they will soon see RG3 erasing all doubts

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... 00-percent

No doubt in my mind he will still be preparing himself to be an elite qb. He recovered well from his first knee injury and the Baylor stats show it. But bringing someone back to soon with a higher chance to get re-injured; whether that's the knee not being healed enough to play, not completely comfortable playing full speed with a brace, or whatever concern. It isn't the best move for the team, with their franchise player to play someone to soon. When they feel 100% comfortable playing him with a lower risk or re-injury he'll be on the field.

[1niksder]

The hour ESPN film of him 8/27 looks pretty cool.

Say what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=tr ... w5_xp_pU8g

"its not a comeback story, how could you comeback if you were never gone"

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-qUlA_Res

[langleyparkjoe]

It's really simple. If he is 100% you play him. Why wouldn't you? If he is not, you hold him out.

i mean really now, this isn't rocket science. lls

[SkinsJock]

IMO - RG3, Mike and Dr Andrews feel that he will be ready to play very soon ... IF any of them felt that the knee was not ready, he would not be allowed to play ...

.... It isn't the best move for the team, with their franchise player to play someone too soon. When they feel 100% comfortable playing him with a lower risk or re-injury he'll be on the field.

the fact is - it looks very much like "they" feel 100% comfortable preparing to play with RG3 at QB in the Monday night game

[Irn-Bru]

It's really simple. If he is 100% you play him. Why wouldn't you? If he is not, you hold him out.

i mean really now, this isn't rocket science. lls

Well, what if he's 97%? Or 95? When you do cut it off? I don't think 100 is reasonable, because he could be, say, 90% and not in any additional danger of hurting the knee. A 90% RGIII would be better than Cousins, IMHO, so you start him.

[langleyparkjoe]

It's really simple. If he is 100% you play him. Why wouldn't you? If he is not, you hold him out.

i mean really now, this isn't rocket science. lls

Well, what if he's 97%? Or 95? When you do cut it off? I don't think 100 is reasonable, because he could be, say, 90% and not in any additional danger of hurting the knee. A 90% RGIII would be better than Cousins, IMHO, so you start him.

I'll take the 90% range, hell I'll take 85%. LOL

[emoses14]

[riggofan]

PLEASE get a clue about all this - if the medical staff and the coaching staff think that his knee is good to go - he should play

Before you start shooting your mouth off about "getting a clue" I think you should re-read my post. I specifically said I think RGIII will play against the Eagles if the Doctors say he is healed enough to play safely. You sound like an idiot arguing against nobody.

[SkinsJock]

PLEASE get a clue about all this - if the medical staff and the coaching staff think that his knee is good to go - he should play

Before you start shooting your mouth off about "getting a clue" I think you should re-read my post. I specifically said I think RGIII will play against the Eagles if the Doctors say he is healed enough to play safely. You sound like an idiot arguing against nobody.

BIG thanks

[SkinsJock]

btw - riggofan, you're the one who implied that RG3 is wearing a brace because his knee is not ready

I totally disagree with this nonsense that RGIII's knee is "completely healed". 1) He's wearing a knee brace for a reason.

WRONG ...

2) If you have knee surgery in January, there is no question that your knee will be more healed in October than it is in September.

AND ... WRONG AGAIN - try and stay up with the miracles of modern medicine and the use of stem cells ... please

[riggofan]

I totally disagree with this nonsense that RGIII's knee is "completely healed". 1) He's wearing a knee brace for a reason. 2) If you have knee surgery in January, there is no question that your knee will be more healed in October than it is in September.

1) He's going to wear it all season, so there's nothing to that reasoning. He's wearing it as a precaution.
2) Once it's fully healed, it can't get any more healed. So if it's fully healed in September, then it won't be any more healed in October. It will still be fully healed.
Now, whether or not you believe he can be fully healed at this point is another story. Obviously, you have your doubts, and that's OK. But medical science has taken leaps forward in this area, and it is possible.

Come on man, you're splitting hairs and its not very convincing. Only wearing the knee brace as a precaution? A precaution against what? Oh yeah a precaution against re-injuring his knee that he just had surgery on. If he was completely confident that his knee was 100% what it was a year ago, he wouldn't be wearing the brace.

I understand your point that the repairs done in the surgery may be completely healed in September and won't be more healed in October. My point was that with another month of rehabbing, conditioning, strength training his knee would unquestionably be stronger in October than in September. That's just a fact.

Anyway, just to clarify again for the sake of SKINSJOCK, I still think RGIII will and should play if the Docs clear him.

[riggofan]

btw - riggofan, you're the one who implied that RG3 is wearing a brace because his knee is not ready

I totally disagree with this nonsense that RGIII's knee is "completely healed". 1) He's wearing a knee brace for a reason.

WRONG ...

2) If you have knee surgery in January, there is no question that your knee will be more healed in October than it is in September.

AND ... WRONG AGAIN - try and stay up with the miracles of modern medicine and the use of stem cells ... please

Thanks for enlightening us all, Dr. Zeus.

[Deadskins]

I totally disagree with this nonsense that RGIII's knee is "completely healed". 1) He's wearing a knee brace for a reason. 2) If you have knee surgery in January, there is no question that your knee will be more healed in October than it is in September.

1) He's going to wear it all season, so there's nothing to that reasoning. He's wearing it as a precaution.
2) Once it's fully healed, it can't get any more healed. So if it's fully healed in September, then it won't be any more healed in October. It will still be fully healed.
Now, whether or not you believe he can be fully healed at this point is another story. Obviously, you have your doubts, and that's OK. But medical science has taken leaps forward in this area, and it is possible.

Come on man, you're splitting hairs and its not very convincing. Only wearing the knee brace as a precaution? A precaution against what? Oh yeah a precaution against re-injuring his knee that he just had surgery on. If he was completely confident that his knee was 100% what it was a year ago, he wouldn't be wearing the brace.

It's not splitting hairs. Of course it's a precaution against reinjury. Your post implied he was wearing the brace because his knee is not fully recovered. but he's already stated that he intends to wear it all season, as he's gotten used to it, and doesn't even notice it any more. He even said he may continue to wear it in future seasons. Just because he's wearing the brace, that isn't proof that the knee still needs time to heal.

[SkinsJock]

btw - riggofan, you're the one who implied that RG3 is wearing a brace because his knee is not ready

I totally disagree with this nonsense that RGIII's knee is "completely healed". 1) He's wearing a knee brace for a reason.

WRONG ...

2) If you have knee surgery in January, there is no question that your knee will be more healed in October than it is in September.

AND ... WRONG AGAIN - try and stay up with the miracles of modern medicine and the use of stem cells ... please

Thanks for enlightening us all, Dr. Zeus.

I'm actually enjoying stirring the pot and trying to help those that need it ...

[SkinsJock]

Most here know that RG3's knee is not going to be "completely healed" ...

what I find interesting is that there are fans that are having a hard time accepting that the medical staff, the coaching staff and RG3 himself all are making the right move in planning to have RG3 play in the opening game

Why question the thinking of the people with the most to lose and who WILL NOT let RG3 take the field unless that knee is good to go

What information do these fans have that makes them think that all these guys do not know as much as they (the pessimistic fans) do?

please tell me "well last season these same guys all made a huge mistake ...." and confirm that you have absolutely NO CLUE what Dr Andrews did and what RG3 himself has been doing since January

[riggofan]

I totally disagree with this nonsense that RGIII's knee is "completely healed". 1) He's wearing a knee brace for a reason. 2) If you have knee surgery in January, there is no question that your knee will be more healed in October than it is in September.

1) He's going to wear it all season, so there's nothing to that reasoning. He's wearing it as a precaution.
2) Once it's fully healed, it can't get any more healed. So if it's fully healed in September, then it won't be any more healed in October. It will still be fully healed.
Now, whether or not you believe he can be fully healed at this point is another story. Obviously, you have your doubts, and that's OK. But medical science has taken leaps forward in this area, and it is possible.

Come on man, you're splitting hairs and its not very convincing. Only wearing the knee brace as a precaution? A precaution against what? Oh yeah a precaution against re-injuring his knee that he just had surgery on. If he was completely confident that his knee was 100% what it was a year ago, he wouldn't be wearing the brace.

It's not splitting hairs. Of course it's a precaution against reinjury. Your post implied he was wearing the brace because his knee is not fully recovered. but he's already stated that he intends to wear it all season, as he's gotten used to it, and doesn't even notice it any more. He even said he may continue to wear it in future seasons. Just because he's wearing the brace, that isn't proof that the knee still needs time to heal.

Oooookay.

[welch]

I'm for cautoion.

Robert Griffin, Shanahan, and the medical staff kept him playing after the first injury and after Cousins had shown that he's probably good enough to win games.

They kept him playing against Seattle after he began to limp on the bad knee.

- Griffin is one of the three best quarterbacks I have seen, either on TV or on film. (Gotta justify Sammy Baugh: my Dad saw him and still tells the stories...)

- I want Robert Griffin to play as long as Sammy and Sonny did...until he's nearly 40...and always in a Redskin uniform.

- An injured player is at more risk to injury because he's not as agile and cannot absorb hits as well.

[riggofan]

Interesting update on ESPN today.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... isappoints

Quarterback Robert Griffin III (first round): Still recovering from his knee surgery. The Redskins say he’s on pace to start the opener, but more needs to be seen.

Of course, the knee brace is just for decoration.

[SkinsJock]

I'm for cautoion.

Robert Griffin, Shanahan, and the medical staff kept him playing after the first injury and after Cousins had shown that he's probably good enough to win games.

They kept him playing against Seattle after he began to limp on the bad knee.

- Griffin is one of the three best quarterbacks I have seen, either on TV or on film. (Gotta justify Sammy Baugh: my Dad saw him and still tells the stories...)

- I want Robert Griffin to play as long as Sammy and Sonny did...until he's nearly 40...and always in a Redskin uniform.

- An injured player is at more risk to injury because he's not as agile and cannot absorb hits as well.

I agree with you basically but I also am not convinced at all that Dr Andrews, the medical staff, the coaching strafe or even RG3 himself are in any way NOT acting with extreme caution and ARE in fact ensuring that RG3 needs to be here and playing in a Redskins uniform for as long as possible

It's a fact that RG3 is an olympic caliber athlete and Sonny and Sammy were NOT - actually neither was even close to having the athleticism of RG3
as great as both were - I predict that RG3 will be a better leader

given all that - there is ZERO to be gained by holding him out

RG3 WILL NOT be playing UNTIL he's not in ANY WAY risking his future as a QB

EVERYONE concerned - medical, physical, coaches and the player have moved on from last season - it's OVER, It's history - they have all acknowledged that they have learned from that

let it go - watch him play and appreciate that players today are a lot better, a lot fitter, and medical science is amazing

[riggofan]

I don't understand this wanting to end discussion on a discussion board. Fans enjoy speculating about everything. Why should yapping about RGIII's knee be any different?

[SkinsJock]

I don't understand this wanting to end discussion on a discussion board. Fans enjoy speculating about everything. Why should yapping about RGIII's knee be any different?

no worries here

I wonder if the lakers are also really concerned about seeing Kobe do this http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... is-running

gotta love it

how on earth did that happen - guy tears his achilles and now he's running again - NO WAY


RG3 is not just an athlete - he's better than most


TALK ABOUT IT all you want - we are going to see RG3 playing QB because his knee is ready to play on

given that - why would he need more time to "heal"

[SkinsJock]

I am not advocating we wait until after the bye to start Griff but over the off season it occasionally surfaced as a possible timetable. Anyway, I was thinking about the possibility and, if it actually happened, what the outcomes could be. Here are a few I came up with.

Imagine Cousins going 3-1 with a win vs. the Eags, a tough loss at Green Bay, a win vs. the Lions, and a win at Oakland. Further imagine a 4 game stat line of 1,000 yards, 68.8% completion rate (his stat last year, #2 in NFL), 8 TDs, 2 picks, and a 101.6 QB rating (his stat last year, #5 in NFL behind Griff).

Now imagine the Dallas game during bye week. It's Griff's 1st start and we are going to Dallas. Instead of them laying in wait to avenge Turkey Day, we are breathing fire in anticipation of Griff's debut. Then Griff lights 'em up in "Griff's House" just like last year.

1 Mike would certainly have bolstered his position as Top Dog.

2 Mike would have showcased Cousins giving the league 4 more chances to see him and essentially cementing his status as a guy well worth trading for.

3 Mike's status as a genius goes through the roof. He has gotten the whole city and the team extra rabid for this game and the Griffskins have slain them. Cousins is even more valuable and pretty darn happy. We are pumped and off to the races.

4 Oh, here's a good one - Mike would have given Griff 5 extra weeks to "heal."

WHY would RG3 need more time to "heal" - IF EVERYONE (not the pessimists here) thinks that the knee is ready to play on, what on earth is to be gained by resting him?

WHY don't we rest all our good players for a few games whenever they get nicked or bruised - BECAUSE that makes absolutely no sense at all

WHY don't you get that he's not playing unless he's ready to play AND get hit?

[welch]

I agree with you basically but I also am not convinced at all that Dr Andrews, the medical staff, the coaching strafe or even RG3 himself are in any way NOT acting with extreme caution and ARE in fact ensuring that RG3 needs to be here and playing in a Redskins uniform for as long as possible

It's a fact that RG3 is an olympic caliber athlete and Sonny and Sammy were NOT - actually neither was even close to having the athleticism of RG3
as great as both were - I predict that RG3 will be a better leader

given all that - there is ZERO to be gained by holding him out

RG3 WILL NOT be playing UNTIL he's not in ANY WAY risking his future as a QB

EVERYONE concerned - medical, physical, coaches and the player have moved on from last season - it's OVER, It's history - they have all acknowledged that they have learned from that

let it go - watch him play and appreciate that players today are a lot better, a lot fitter, and medical science is amazing

I've found that athletes don't know when to stop. That was the case last season: Griffin wanted to play so Shanahan let him. Bryce Harper has not been the same since he ran into the wall in LA, but he won't take time off.

Incidentally, Baugh was a superb athlete: still holds an NFL record for punting, for many years held the record for interceptions, ran the ball as a single-wing tailback...and would have played shortstop for the Cardinals except that St Louis had an all-star named Marty Marion already there.

As Sonny (proably) said, you don't throw with your beer belly. Sonny's brain and arm were perfect until George Allen retired him. However, he limped on a sorfe ankle for a lot of his last season.

Griffin can be as strong as a Joe Jacoby, but if his knee goes, he'll be finished.

[SkinsJock]

Every player on every snap understands that the risk of a career ending injury is very real

I'm really glad that Dr Andrews, Mike and RG3 are all on the same page about ensuring that we have RG3 playing for as long as possible and as soon as possible


I understan that some are concerned - I'm not and that is solely based on the confidence I have in the athlete, the Dr and the Redskins staff ..

RG3 might get injured but he's certainly not helping this franchise win football games if he's fit and ready to play and we don't play him

THAT is all that matters - you do not win games by not playing the best players you have available to you


Dr Andrews learned from what he did with AP AND from RG3

RG3 HAS learned from what happened last season

Mike HAS learned a lot from all that happened last season

I'm sure they know what they are doing