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StorminMormon86 wrote:

emoses14 wrote:So what would you have him do? Ignore every question in his once a week presser related to his injury/rehab/amount of work in practice and lack of playing time? All that would be left would be to discuss the pattern of his new drapes and how much of an idiot Donovan McNabb is (or isn't).

I wouldn't let him talk to the media at all. As of right now, Cousins is the starter. He talks to the press.

Thank God you're not the coach then. We'd have an even bigger pile of dung to sort through from the national and DC media if Robert was barred from talking to the press on the flimsy premise that Kirk is the starter (in pre-season).

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Look, the kid is learning... he's a bit naïve, and is probably a bit surprised at the efforts of the press to twist his every word to fit their own agenda (to manufacture controversy). I have a feeling that this learning curve is about to flatten out...

I dunno CT, we've been seeing this side of him since the Browns game.

Edit: maybe you're right. The media is cranking up the heat on him. Just saw Whitlocks article... And the Post. Maybe he will learn that they aren't his friends. Gotta keep stuff in-house.

Whitlock's article felt like I was living in the twilight zone.

Just caught this note from Graziano at ESPN (the NFC East Blogger)

Jason Reid thinks Robert Griffin III needs to stop questioning Mike Shanahan's plan for his recovery in public. I mean, I'm not down there, so maybe I'm reading things all wrong, but I don't see all the wrong everyone seems to be seeing in what Griffin said. And I'm really not comfortable with the idea of telling someone what to say and what not to say in their news conferences. Griffin and Shanahan need to get along, obviously, but there's little if any real evidence that they're not. The kid wants to play, and when someone asks him if he wants to play, he says yeah. But it's a terrible idea to play him in a preseason game right now, and it's Shanahan's job to make the right decision for him and for the team. Whether he likes it or not. Griffin appears to know this. I honestly don't see the problem.

Proof of nothing other than there appears to be a stark difference in view on this stemming largely from the degree/amount of DC sports radio/talk/news etc. you are exposed to or a part of and everyone else (well, unless you live in Calgary, apparently).

I suspect CT is right and that all of this will vanish like a fart in the wind once Game 1 is in the books.

emoses14 wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

emoses14 wrote:So what would you have him do? Ignore every question in his once a week presser related to his injury/rehab/amount of work in practice and lack of playing time? All that would be left would be to discuss the pattern of his new drapes and how much of an idiot Donovan McNabb is (or isn't).

I wouldn't let him talk to the media at all. As of right now, Cousins is the starter. He talks to the press.

Thank God you're not the coach then. We'd have an even bigger pile of dung to sort through from the national and DC media if Robert was barred from talking to the press on the flimsy premise that Kirk is the starter (in pre-season).

He could have had one or two press conferences about his health and how he plans to be back week 1. After that, he should have none. He's not playing in the preseason, so why should he have weekly press conferences?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I dunno CT, we've been seeing this side of him since the Browns game.

Yep. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he is young and it was his rookie year last year, but it was almost like Griffin was bummed because Cousins played so well in that game.

Irn-Bru wrote:Worst noncontroversial controversy ever.

As you know, I'm with the trading Cousins is silly camp. But worst ever? We are Redskin fans. Silly controversies go with the territory and we've had some doozies through the years. Quarterback is definitely the biggest area. Colt's been mentioned, he cut through guys who mop floors today like a hot knife through butter and sitting the next Tom Brady on the bench was insane. Babe Laughingstock was one of my favorites.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Like I said, he just needs to chill. No good will come from talking to DC media. This should be a lesson learned for him. According to Cooley, RGIII caught a lot of heat for it.

Man you sure are right on with your "no good will come" of it point. John Keim ACTUALLY wrote this today:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... iii-report

I’m not sure whether Robert Griffin III needed to clarify his comments from Monday, but that’s what he did Tuesday, saying there’s no conflict between him and coach Mike Shanahan. Problem is, the more someone has to clarify such remarks, the more others wonder whether there is indeed a conflict.

lol. So the more you say there is no conflict, the more likely there is apparently? The truth is that the media will not allow you to easily dismiss the story lines that they want to write.

The only way to kill this stupid non-story is to quit giving it oxygen.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I dunno CT, we've been seeing this side of him since the Browns game.

Yep. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he is young and it was his rookie year last year, but it was almost like Griffin was bummed because Cousins played so well in that game.

Perhaps you could share an example of this... 'cause I don't see it.
All I see is a kid who is driven to play, who's desire sometimes speaks louder to him than the pain in his knee... there's not a damned thing wrong with that... as long as someone else is yanking back on the reins... and, that's Shanahan's job. I've seen NOTHING to suggest that RG3 doesn't fully understand this...

Yet, every time he says "I want to play", some azzwipe press parasite decides that this is an opportunity for a byline.

riggofan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Like I said, he just needs to chill. No good will come from talking to DC media. This should be a lesson learned for him. According to Cooley, RGIII caught a lot of heat for it.

Man you sure are right on with your "no good will come" of it point. John Keim ACTUALLY wrote this today:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... iii-report

I’m not sure whether Robert Griffin III needed to clarify his comments from Monday, but that’s what he did Tuesday, saying there’s no conflict between him and coach Mike Shanahan. Problem is, the more someone has to clarify such remarks, the more others wonder whether there is indeed a conflict.

lol. So the more you say there is no conflict, the more likely there is apparently? The truth is that the media will not allow you to easily dismiss the story lines that they want to write.

The only way to kill this stupid non-story is to quit giving it oxygen.

Ah yes, the old conundrum

Media/Wife/Life Partner: Why are you so defensive?
Anyone on earth/husband/ other life partner: I'm not defensive.
Media/wife/life partner: See, you're reacting defensively.

Just this thread is starting to make me not want to hear about this ish any more. Can only imagine (well, start to understand) how those of you in the DMV are feeling about it.

Countertrey wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I dunno CT, we've been seeing this side of him since the Browns game.

Yep. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he is young and it was his rookie year last year, but it was almost like Griffin was bummed because Cousins played so well in that game.

Perhaps you could share an example of this... 'cause I don't see it.
All I see is a kid who is driven to play, who's desire sometimes speaks louder to him than the pain in his knee... there's not a damned thing wrong with that... as long as someone else is yanking back on the reins... and, that's Shanahan's job. I've seen NOTHING to suggest that RG3 doesn't fully understand this...

Yet, every time he says "I want to play", some azzwipe press parasite decides that this is an opportunity for a byline.

For what its worth i've only even heard of that once, yesterday. That line of reasoning was the premise for Whitlock's craptastic article. Link. Just an example of another guy with BA in journalism/communications acting like he's got a PhD in psychology.

emoses14 wrote:For what its worth i've only even heard of that once, yesterday. That line of reasoning was the premise for Whitlock's craptastic article. Link. Just an example of another guy with BA in journalism/communications acting like he's got a PhD in psychology.

I couldn't get past the first line: "Like most young people, Robert Griffin III fails to recognize God’s intent in blessing us with two eyes, two ears and one mouth."

. . . says Jason Whitlock?

Irn-Bru wrote:

emoses14 wrote:For what its worth i've only even heard of that once, yesterday. That line of reasoning was the premise for Whitlock's craptastic article. Link. Just an example of another guy with BA in journalism/communications acting like he's got a PhD in psychology.

I couldn't get past the first line: "Like most young people, Robert Griffin III fails to recognize God’s intent in blessing us with two eyes, two ears and one mouth."

. . . says Jason Whitlock?

riggofan wrote:The only way to kill this stupid non-story is to quit giving it oxygen.

Pretty much...

Countertrey wrote:OH MY GOD! A young player who feels great is frustrated that his coach is being highly protective...

It's the end of the world!


1: I want Shanahan to protect him
2: I WANT RG3 to chafe that he's not playing yet.


All will be forgotten at the first snap.
This "controversy" is contrived... and is a non-starter.

+1000

Griffin has become a diva. After the Skins beat Cleveland decisively he groused for a few days that he was healthy enough to go and should have played. I remember being surprised because up to then Griffin had shown so much grace. It made me wonder if he was disappointed that the team could play so well without him.

Then after misleading Shanahan about his fitness to play when he first got hurt in the Seahawks game he threw his coach under the bus for letting him continue and get severely injured. Shanahan was savaged for months after this and Griffin feed the frenzy over this with his comments. Shanahan made the mistake of trusting Griffin and paid a high price for it after the season.

Now Griffin went public with his complaint about not being put in the line-up as fast as he would like and worse, much worse openly questioned whether he can trust Shanahan to keep his word about playing in the opener. I don't think this was a slip of the tongue. Griffin is bright and fully aware of how the media works, he intentionally went public to pressure Shanahan. Mike Shanahan makes a lot of money coaching the Skins and Griffins ongoing antics ensure Shanahan earns every penny.

Shanny is smart.. he can check his players, and his poker face is a winner at any table.
Would I be surprised if he "let" rgiii feed the media? No.
Eagles have no more clue to who is taking snaps then we do. Nice work coach!
For all we know shannys plan is see where we are after week three... Who knows?
I don't. And am glad.

OldSchool wrote:Griffin has become a diva. After the Skins beat Cleveland decisively he groused for a few days that he was healthy enough to go and should have played. I remember being surprised because up to then Griffin had shown so much grace. It made me wonder if he was disappointed that the team could play so well without him.

Then after misleading Shanahan about his fitness to play when he first got hurt in the Seahawks game he threw his coach under the bus for letting him continue and get severely injured. Shanahan was savaged for months after this and Griffin feed the frenzy over this with his comments. Shanahan made the mistake of trusting Griffin and paid a high price for it after the season.

Now Griffin went public with his complaint about not being put in the line-up as fast as he would like and worse, much worse openly questioned whether he can trust Shanahan to keep his word about playing in the opener. I don't think this was a slip of the tongue. Griffin is bright and fully aware of how the media works, he intentionally went public to pressure Shanahan. Mike Shanahan makes a lot of money coaching the Skins and Griffins ongoing antics ensure Shanahan earns every penny.

This makes no sense. Griffin is now a diva because he said he wanted to play!? Don't get me wrong, he should have never opened his mouth about how "everyone" was responsible for keeping him in the game. And I didn't like how it seemed like he hated every second of that Cleveland game because Cousins played so good. I think the guy has a bit of a sense of entitlement, but that's because of all the hype he's gotten and the way the fans have deemed him the savior. But a diva? I don't see it at all. He's not even a female.

OldSchool wrote:Griffin has become a diva. After the Skins beat Cleveland decisively he groused for a few days that he was healthy enough to go and should have played. I remember being surprised because up to then Griffin had shown so much grace. It made me wonder if he was disappointed that the team could play so well without him.

Then after misleading Shanahan about his fitness to play when he first got hurt in the Seahawks game he threw his coach under the bus for letting him continue and get severely injured. Shanahan was savaged for months after this and Griffin feed the frenzy over this with his comments. Shanahan made the mistake of trusting Griffin and paid a high price for it after the season.

Now Griffin went public with his complaint about not being put in the line-up as fast as he would like and worse, much worse openly questioned whether he can trust Shanahan to keep his word about playing in the opener. I don't think this was a slip of the tongue. Griffin is bright and fully aware of how the media works, he intentionally went public to pressure Shanahan. Mike Shanahan makes a lot of money coaching the Skins and Griffins ongoing antics ensure Shanahan earns every penny.

I understand this and shared some of the feelings at the various times but did not take my conclusions as far as you took yours. I remember this and put more stock in it:





I work with a Cowboy fan who tried to tease me yesterday by saying (in a sort of whiney baby voice) "I want to play!!!"

I smiled and said "Big controversey, huh. A player who wants to play."

Remember this guy crying "He's my quarterback?"



Or how about the driveway crunches?



That dude is a diva.

Griff ain't perfect but who is? Nothing egregious yet.

OldSchool wrote:Griffin has become a diva. After the Skins beat Cleveland decisively he groused for a few days that he was healthy enough to go and should have played. I remember being surprised because up to then Griffin had shown so much grace. It made me wonder if he was disappointed that the team could play so well without him.

Then after misleading Shanahan about his fitness to play when he first got hurt in the Seahawks game he threw his coach under the bus for letting him continue and get severely injured. Shanahan was savaged for months after this and Griffin feed the frenzy over this with his comments. Shanahan made the mistake of trusting Griffin and paid a high price for it after the season.

Now Griffin went public with his complaint about not being put in the line-up as fast as he would like and worse, much worse openly questioned whether he can trust Shanahan to keep his word about playing in the opener. I don't think this was a slip of the tongue. Griffin is bright and fully aware of how the media works, he intentionally went public to pressure Shanahan. Mike Shanahan makes a lot of money coaching the Skins and Griffins ongoing antics ensure Shanahan earns every penny.

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Yeah, let's get bent out of shape because a kid wants to play, even when it doesn't count. Wow, what a disaster. How are the Browns going to be this year?

OldSchool wrote:After the Skins beat Cleveland decisively he groused for a few days that he was healthy enough to go and should have played.

I don't remember that. Perhaps you can find some confirmation of this. I'll even accept a post from this board (from a regular poster, not a troll) stating as much.

Dear RG3,
Please just shut the HECK up.

Sincerely,
All Redskins Fans

Deadskins wrote:

OldSchool wrote:After the Skins beat Cleveland decisively he groused for a few days that he was healthy enough to go and should have played.

I don't remember that. Perhaps you can find some confirmation of this. I'll even accept a post from this board (from a regular poster, not a troll) stating as much.

Excerpts:

CLEVELAND — Robert Griffin III prepared all week as if he would quarterback the Washington Redskins on Sunday. He flew here with his teammates Saturday, still thinking he would play.

-snip-

“Players play, so I was not happy with the decision,” Griffin said flatly. “But at the end of the day, that’s the decision they went with. I respect that, but it doesn’t mean I necessarily have to like it."

Link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/ro ... story.html

The only questions here are, do Griff's comments constitute grousing and is that a bad thing?

Definition of GROUSE

: complain, grumble

I leave it to the board.

Maybe I was referring to the "decisive" victory.




















































j/k I guess that rings a bell.

Deadskins wrote:Maybe I was referring to the "decisive" victory.

Yeah ... I left that door open for you just to see if you'd walk through it.



j/k I guess that rings a bell.

Yeah, me too. I never thought much of it but it was a time Griff could've just let Kirk bask.

Explain to me how these statements don't "just let Kirk bask."? These were an honest response to questions asked. There is nothing here that cheapens Cousins play...

I think the "rift" is about Robert and only him really. He is a bit of a prima donna. I forget his exact words but he said something like... We have come to an understanding. Things weren't done as they should have been done. Of course these are my words I am not quoting him but we all heard the gist. If I have to really look it up I will but you guys know. That's the rift.

There was a tweet after his injury. I can't find it. I tried because I know I will be called on it. Someone out there must have a link.

I like the guy and I'm glad he's ours, but he is a little cryptic. ESPN radio made a big deal out of it. I really wish I had the link to share.