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cleg wrote:Meh

Seriously? I love Coooooley as much as the next guy, but Fred Davis has a much higher ceiling then CC could have ever hoped for. His last 2 season's , the games he played, he put up top tier TE numbers. If he has the year he's capable of, then we got the season at a discount and he earns a fat pay day. If not, hes washed up we cut him. Either way its a good move.

Must be a joke I didn't get, my bad

So glad to see Davis back. Now just hope he'll stay healthy all year and play. I feel real confident heading into the season with this roster. Just add a couple more secondary spots and some depth through the draft and we'll be a young team to mess with. !

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

cleg wrote:Meh

Seriously? I love Coooooley as much as the next guy, but Fred Davis has a much higher ceiling then CC could have ever hoped for. His last 2 season's , the games he played, he put up top tier TE numbers. If he has the year he's capable of, then we got the season at a discount and he earns a fat pay day. If not, hes washed up we cut him. Either way its a good move.

Must be a joke I didn't get, my bad

It saddens me that ey was wasted during his tenure. A great player, a great person, a great heart... I feel for him, to have his loyalty betray him. I wish he could have went somewhere else to have had an enjoyable career. I say that not as a fan but as another person.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

cleg wrote:Meh

Seriously? I love Coooooley as much as the next guy, but Fred Davis has a much higher ceiling then CC could have ever hoped for. His last 2 season's , the games he played, he put up top tier TE numbers. If he has the year he's capable of, then we got the season at a discount and he earns a fat pay day. If not, hes washed up we cut him. Either way its a good move.

Must be a joke I didn't get, my bad

It kills me why people denote the fact that ey was in fact a top five TE for several years. He had the numbers to prove it.
Davis on the other could have had the numbers in 2011 but couldn't finish the season because he was suspended. He was on a roll last year when until he ripped his Achilles tendon.

ey was a top five TE, Davis could be. When ey was in his prime, Davis couldn't sniff the starting roll.

2 questions: 1, do we know how much this deal is worth? 2, does anybody know our updated salary cap status after the Davis signing? I cannot find anything else current. The 1 on this site says that we still have 8,000,000 dollars.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

cleg wrote:Meh

Seriously? I love Coooooley as much as the next guy, but Fred Davis has a much higher ceiling then CC could have ever hoped for. His last 2 season's , the games he played, he put up top tier TE numbers. If he has the year he's capable of, then we got the season at a discount and he earns a fat pay day. If not, hes washed up we cut him. Either way its a good move.

Must be a joke I didn't get, my bad

It kills me why people denote the fact that ey was in fact a top five TE for several years. He had the numbers to prove it.
Davis on the other could have had the numbers in 2011 but couldn't finish the season because he was suspended. He was on a roll last year when until he ripped his Achilles tendon.

ey was a top five TE, Davis could be. When ey was in his prime, Davis couldn't sniff the starting roll.

I think you misunderstood my post..
Cooooley has been one of my favorite players since he was drafted. On field and off he was just awesome, entertaining, hardnosed, and a true Redskin. However, let's not be naive and think for a sec that his athletical attributes are where Davis' are. Fact is, as I put it, Fred has a higher ceiling, peak, potential, what ever u want to call it. Has he done as much yet? No. ey is statistically the best TE the franchise has ever fielded... But Davis CAN be that guy is all.
No knock to CC and no sure fire thing that FD lives up to his potential either. Jus sayin this move is a no brainer, especially if he has that season we know he can.

Mississippi Hog wrote:2 questions: 1, do we know how much this deal is worth? 2, does anybody know our updated salary cap status after the Davis signing?
I cannot find anything else current. The 1 on this site says that we still have 8,000,000 dollars.

^^ THAT'S BS - not sure where some here are 'looking' ...

iniksder posted this ... YESTERDAY .. in the "Salary Cap" thread in Hog Wash .. imagine that

Some of the fixed numbers in my Feb post need to be updated because the cap that reportedly was flat and wasn't going to rise, went up more than I predicted.

Here is what I had a week ago....

With 69 players under contract here are the Redskins Cap numbers

2013 Salary Cap... $131,900,000
Carryover... $4,270,000
CapGate... -$18,000,000
Adjusted Cap Number ...$110,986,000


Cash Floor... 110,271,000
Cash to spend... $23,903,000 - 2013 Signing Bonuses


Rule Of 51,,, $102,141,675 + $31,750
2013 Dead Cap,,, $5,513,560
Cap Space Spent,,, $107,655,235


Space Available $3,299,015

Davis signing is NOT hurting our ability to bring in other FAs and sign draft picks - this FO will continue to do what it takes



For what it's worth .. I'm glad that Fred Davis is back and I hope he has a great year and can get a huge contract next season ...

HOWEVER

THAT may NOT be here - the ONLY way that he get's a huge deal here is to show that he's worth it - this FO is NOT overpaying anyone

I LIKE THAT

this FO has shown that the 'Shanaplan' works and that DOES NOT include making the same sort of mistakes that many franchises make by overpaying players

HOPEFULLY - we'll continue to do that when we have $30M plus to spend next season

we need to continue to get faster and younger and let the older players make their huge deals elsewhere ... EXCEPT the very special players and Davis has a long way to go .... IMHO

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

cleg wrote:Meh

Seriously? I love Coooooley as much as the next guy, but Fred Davis has a much higher ceiling then CC could have ever hoped for. His last 2 season's , the games he played, he put up top tier TE numbers. If he has the year he's capable of, then we got the season at a discount and he earns a fat pay day. If not, hes washed up we cut him. Either way its a good move.

Must be a joke I didn't get, my bad

It kills me why people denote the fact that ey was in fact a top five TE for several years. He had the numbers to prove it.
Davis on the other could have had the numbers in 2011 but couldn't finish the season because he was suspended. He was on a roll last year when until he ripped his Achilles tendon.

ey was a top five TE, Davis could be. When ey was in his prime, Davis couldn't sniff the starting roll.

I think you misunderstood my post..
Cooooley has been one of my favorite players since he was drafted. On field and off he was just awesome, entertaining, hardnosed, and a true Redskin. However, let's not be naive and think for a sec that his athletical attributes are where Davis' are. Fact is, as I put it, Fred has a higher ceiling, peak, potential, what ever u want to call it. Has he done as much yet? No. ey is statistically the best TE the franchise has ever fielded... But Davis CAN be that guy is all.
No knock to CC and no sure fire thing that FD lives up to his potential either. Jus sayin this move is a no brainer, especially if he has that season we know he can.

Oh, ok. I guess I did misunderstand. I agree this Davis has the potential to have a year or two better than ey, but will never approach his career.

I am happy that David is back, but I don't think there is that much of a drop off between him and Paulsen. Now don't get me wrong, I think Davis is much more talented than Paulsen. I still am glad he is back.

I agree that the offense is helped by having Davis back but this offense is going to be helped by a bunch of other guys too ...

The O line will be better and we're going to have a 'healthy' Garcon and others back

PLUS

Mike and Kyle are going to get a little 'creative' in how they 'use' RG3 IMO

skinsfan#33 wrote:I am happy that David is back, but I don't think there is that much of a drop off between him and Paulsen. Now don't get me wrong, I think Davis is much more talented than Paulsen. I still am glad he is back.

I'll try to find the article in which I read this but... Paulsen failed to match Davis's numbers in the 9 games he started, while Davis only played 6 games. There's definitely a tangible drop off between the two.

Paulsen is great, he's simply not an explosive player that can make a defense pay. Davis is that and was that. Go back and watch the Tampa game.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:I am happy that David is back, but I don't think there is that much of a drop off between him and Paulsen. Now don't get me wrong, I think Davis is much more talented than Paulsen. I still am glad he is back.

I'll try to find the article in which I read this but... Paulsen failed to match Davis's numbers in the 9 games he started, while Davis only played 6 games. There's definitely a tangible drop off between the two.

Paulsen is great, he's simply not an explosive player that can make a defense pay. Davis is that and was that. Go back and watch the Tampa game.

+1

PLUS - Davis and RG3 seem to work REALLY well together ... AND ... Kyle will also give Davis a lot of chances to have a big year

I think Davis DOES have a huge year and I really believe he can be a very special TE - this is his opportunity to take it to the bank and that would be good for everyone

I don't have the same feeling for the other 2

SkinsJock wrote:

Mississippi Hog wrote:2 questions: 1, do we know how much this deal is worth? 2, does anybody know our updated salary cap status after the Davis signing?
I cannot find anything else current. The 1 on this site says that we still have 8,000,000 dollars.

^^ THAT'S BS - not sure where some here are 'looking' ...

iniksder posted this ... YESTERDAY .. in the "Salary Cap" thread in Hog Wash .. imagine that

Thank you for the update. No need to be a jerk about it. I did not have time to browse through all of the threads. and the place I was looking, was the" Salary cap table" under the" Team info" tab on the main page of the website. I would think that that would be a very logical place to look for salary cap table information. I was in my car sitting at a drive thru window when I posted the question last night. So it would have been kind of hard to browse through the entire website for that info.

Mississippi Hog wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

Mississippi Hog wrote:2 questions: 1, do we know how much this deal is worth? 2, does anybody know our updated salary cap status after the Davis signing?
I cannot find anything else current. The 1 on this site says that we still have 8,000,000 dollars.

^^ THAT'S BS - not sure where some here are 'looking' ...

iniksder posted this ... YESTERDAY .. in the "Salary Cap" thread in Hog Wash .. imagine that

Thank you for the update. No need to be a jerk about it. I did not have time to browse through all of the threads. and the place I was looking, was the" Salary cap table" under the" Team info" tab on the main page of the website. I would think that that would be a very logical place to look for salary cap table information. I was in my car sitting at a drive thru window when I posted the question last night. So it would have been kind of hard to browse through the entire website for that info.

I made a accounting adjustment through the Dead Cap table to correct the bottom line on the cap status until other kinks are worked out...

Still no word on the Davis deal, and until I get more info I've added D. Tapp at the vet min.

Fred Davis' one-year deal is worth up to $3.75M ($1.5M signing bonus, $1M base salary & $1.25M in incentives). $2.5M cap hit in 2013

Thanks for the update. Also, Thanks for being nice about it. I appreciate the hard work you put in to keeping up with all of that stuff.

Glad he resigned...His choices were Redskins, Bills and Jets and nobody was offering BIG $$$ do to his injury.......Lets see.........Skins have the better QB and better chance at post season....It was a no-brainer for his choice....WORK HARD Davis and get that $$$ NEXT YEAR!

No problem

Fred Davis (Achilles) expects to be cleared for full activity in June.

Davis tore his left Achilles' tendon during the Week 7 loss to the Giants. He appears to be well ahead of the normal timeline for this injury as he's already running and is expected to be a full participant in training camp. The cap-strapped Redskins' willingness to give him a $1.5M signing bonus shows they're confident Davis will be their starting tight end come Week 1. Logan Paulsen got a $1.1M signing bonus.

Source: Washington Post Apr 2 - 8:41 AM

The Hogster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Excellent... color me very pleasantly surprised! A healthy Davis on the field with a healthy Garcon... will be a killer combo

Yeah, the way I think about it is... We didn't see the full potential of this offense last year for a few reasons, some obvious others not so...

1. Injury. Garcon missed the 1st 6 games or so. Davis was gone after the 1st six games. Morgan was injured, having never fully healed from his time in SanFran. Helu.
2. Rookie year. Both RGIII and Alfred.
3. Natural Progression.
A. Are line will had a solid year of playing together. They will improve.
B. Our WR's will have another year of comfort, they were essentially rookies (Garcon, Morgan)


The only area of stagnation that I anticipate is RGIII's ability to operate out of "normal" drop. I'm sure that was on their to-do list this offseason.

Well written. And I will add. We still have the draft.

Indeed! If we can do well in the draft a snag a few gems we will be on our way.

Countertrey wrote:Excellent ... color me very pleasantly surprised! A healthy Davis on the field with a healthy Garcon... will be a killer combo

+1 - VERY PLEASANTLY surprised ...

- a healthy Fred Davis trying to get a 'payday' with his next contract - here or, anywhere in the NFL

- a healthy set of WRs with a new version of the read option offense to take advantage of RG3's speed, arm and EVERYTHING that he learned from his first year in the NFL

we should have NO TROUBLE being in the top 5 offense category again this coming season

Fred Davis - TE - Redskins

Fred Davis (Achilles') has shown "no inkling of soreness" in training camp.

Barring a setback, Davis already appears game ready. It's an impressive comeback for a player who went down just nine months ago, and the latest indication that Achilles' injuries are not as career-threatening as they once were. Davis is a middle-of-the-road TE2.

Source: Washington Post Jul 30 - 11:07 PM

DarthMonk wrote:Fred Davis - TE - Redskins

Fred Davis (Achilles') has shown "no inkling of soreness" in training camp.

Barring a setback, Davis already appears game ready. It's an impressive comeback for a player who went down just nine months ago, and the latest indication that Achilles' injuries are not as career-threatening as they once were. Davis is a middle-of-the-road TE2.

Source: Washington Post Jul 30 - 11:07 PM

That is good news thanks!

What's the "middle of the road TE2" stuff? Fantasy football?

riggofan wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Fred Davis - TE - Redskins

Fred Davis (Achilles') has shown "no inkling of soreness" in training camp.

Barring a setback, Davis already appears game ready. It's an impressive comeback for a player who went down just nine months ago, and the latest indication that Achilles' injuries are not as career-threatening as they once were. Davis is a middle-of-the-road TE2.

Source: Washington Post Jul 30 - 11:07 PM

That is good news thanks!

What's the "middle of the road TE2" stuff? Fantasy football?

Yep.