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langleyparkjoe wrote:Resign him IMO, let's see what he can do while 100% healthy with RG3 and Garcon out there. I don't think we'll get fair trade value for him because he's coming off that injury. I'm all for the youth movement and Davis (assuming he's healthy) is still young and with other young players I think we'll see an even better more explosive offense.

Imagine.. Garcon, Moss, Davis, Robinson, Morgan on a 5 WR set with RG3 at the controls

Pretty much how I see it aswell.. era one is quick to forget the year he was having before injury... And the chemistry he had with RGiii. Week one was the only time we saw the O healthy. And, huh, they looked pretty damn good!

The FO isn't dumb enough to just cast him away as some here have suggested. Basically by saying that we should only sign him "for cheap".

I think FFA has the right idea.

I'd try to shop Davis to see what draft pick(s) teams would offer for him.

Three obvious problems though:
1. He's still injured
2. He has a chance of becoming a FA anyway
3. Previous suspensions

Wonder if there are any teams desperate enough in their TE depth that they would need Davis.

That said, the three main issues may very make my comment a waste of board space.

skinsfan#33 wrote:Bring him back If he can be had at or below market value, but don't pay 1 cent more.

I hope you realize that his market value, what teams will pay him for, is probably in the top 10-15 range, if not higher. That's why the Redskins had to use the franchise tag last year, to keep him from testing the market. Are you going to be upset if we sign him for close to his actual market value?

He simply won't have a large market. He is unreliable and nothing special. I'm sure a TE with his talent level can be had on the 4th or 5th round or on the second wave of free agency (you know a week or two after all the high price FA have signed and teams start signing bargains). I could name a couple dozen TEs that would give you better performance or at least comparable.

This is an exagerration at best. You could replace Davis with a 5th round pick? You can name 25 tight ends that could do better?

I guess I should take these claims with a grain of salt. Weren't you saying that ey was going to be a top 5 TE before we cut him this year, and then claimed he could start on most NFL teams after that? It's pretty clear you are pretty far afield from what the stats and personnel pros think at this point.

Irn-Bru wrote:I guess I should take these claims with a grain of salt

Exactly ONE grain. No more than that.

Well that didn't go well huh?

nmooooo

skinsfan#33 wrote:Has Davis played two full seasons in a row yet. Has he ever finished in the top ten a TE? I like Davis, but he is no where near elite. He is a good player, not even a very good player. He can run fast, but it's stiff in the hips and had a hard time shifting to a poorly thrown ball. He is a good number for a team that can't do better. I doubt he will draw a lot of interest on the market and should only be brought back at a well below top 5 TE salary level. He is a mid range player at his position and should be paid as such.

If someone wants to pay him anywhere close to elite level congratulate him and wish him well. There are plenty of players of his caliber available.

This is spot on and that injury he had can end careers. If he will take a modest 2 or 3 year deal or a 1 year at around 2.5 you give him a shot. Otherwise you let him walk away, we can't break the bank for an unreliable TE. Think 18 million in cap space.

HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me.
Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.

well said

redskinz4ever wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me.
Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.

well said

He was putting it together last season but got injured. I can't hold that against him. As far as "putting it together" in previous years, the team was garbage. Nobody had anything together. Look at the year Moss had in 2012, everyone thought he was washed up. If Davis doesn't get injured, he has a banner year.

Look at the TD pass he caught that was negated (the play before his injury). Paulsen isn't atheltic enough to make that play. I like Paulsen, he's a great asset and really stepped up. He's better than anyone gave him credit for, but let's not turn him into a mystical unicorn either. Paulsen isn't the future of the TE position. Davis's athelticism is something defenses have to account for, not Paulsen's.

I think Fred Davis is playing here this year - BECAUSE he wants to and more importantly, this offense is better with him ...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

redskinz4ever wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me.
Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.

well said

He was putting it together last season but got injured. I can't hold that against him. As far as "putting it together" in previous years, the team was garbage. Nobody had anything together. Look at the year Moss had in 2012, everyone thought he was washed up. If Davis doesn't get injured, he has a banner year.

Look at the TD pass he caught that was negated (the play before his injury). Paulsen isn't atheltic enough to make that play. I like Paulsen, he's a great asset and really stepped up. He's better than anyone gave him credit for, but let's not turn him into a mystical unicorn either. Paulsen isn't the future of the TE position. Davis's athelticism is something defenses have to account for, not Paulsen's.

But Davis hasn't completed two straight seasons! He's clearly injury prone what with that torn Achilles and all. That injury is like a kiss of death. He's not an elite talent, his production is awful. ey would have been a better option last year, if only Mike hadn't screwed him out of a roster spot. We can easily replace Davis with a player picked in 4th or 5th round of the draft, because let's be honest Paulsen was an undrafted free agent and he's CLEARLY better than Davis. Unless Davis accepts a(n (INCREDIBLY ASININE) low ball contract that pays him 1.3 million per year with incentive to 2.5 million per, he's is SO NOT WORTH IT!!!

Did I cover everything?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

redskinz4ever wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me.
Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.

well said

He was putting it together last season but got injured.

I think the case is even stronger than that. He actually had a great 2011 season on a mediocre team. Last season was just building on that until he got injured. He's already "put it together," we just have to keep working the game plan and feed him the ball. People are making way too big of a deal about two events that are highly unlikely to repeat and aren't connected in any way.

Post retracted because my sarcasm meter is broken.

He was being sarcastic, dude.

Irn-Bru wrote:He was being sarcastic, dude.

LMAO, WAS HE!?!? JEeeeeeez. I need a vacation. LOLOLOL Sorry guys.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

redskinz4ever wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me.
Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.

well said

He was putting it together last season but got injured.

I think the case is even stronger than that. He actually had a great 2011 season on a mediocre team. Last season was just building on that until he got injured. He's already "put it together," we just have to keep working the game plan and feed him the ball. People are making way too big of a deal about two events that are highly unlikely to repeat and aren't connected in any way.

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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:He was being sarcastic, dude.

LMAO, WAS HE!?!? JEeeeeeez. I need a vacation. LOLOLOL Sorry guys.

Assuming this was all started by me responding to CLL earlier. . .yes, I was being sarcastic.

I view Davis as no worse than the 4th best offensive option on the team. Quite frankly, I can see an argument, based on his actual production/games played taking into account Griffin's ability to spread the ball around, as his being the 3rd (ahead of Garcon and behind Morris) best offensive option on the team.

And I do not think that is his ceiling either.

Ok I know Davis is talented. I said that already.

My problem is will the guy play a full season with us. I mean he gets suspended towards the end of one season missing games. Then I hear crap in the offseason that he has legal issues. Which may or may not affect him being on the team. Then he gets injured this year. He just hasnt been on the field much in the past two years. Whats next?

Believe me when I say I like Davis. I am pulling for him. I would resign him but not for top free agent TE money. Incentive laden contract would be fair. Considering he is coming off an injury and hasn't played a full season for two years now.

I am pulling for Davis. I like him and cheered his arrival on draft day. Will he be able to contribute on the field for the team? I hope so. I am just not holding my breath.

HEROHAMO wrote:Considering he is coming off an injury and hasn't played a full season for two years now.

Your concern is more accurate in regards to Orakpo than Davis... You speak about these last two seasons as if the incidents are somehow related. The suspension was his fault, he served his sentence, lets get the hell over it. His injury is just that, an injury. This is football, it happens.

- RGIII got injured this year... Tore his knee up being selfish, let's hold that against him.

- Fletcher is old, and honestly prolly should have missed a game or two but the streak was kept alive. I'm sure there's someone out there that'll hold that against him. And trust me, if we had lost on a TD pass to a TE on which he had coverage, he'd get destroyed on this board.

- Laron Landry, achilles problem right? Healed it his way, he went to the probowl...


Too much is being made of this.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Considering he is coming off an injury and hasn't played a full season for two years now.

Your concern is more accurate in regards to Orakpo than Davis... You speak about these last two seasons as if the incidents are somehow related. The suspension was his fault, he served his sentence, lets get the hell over it. His injury is just that, an injury. This is football, it happens.

- RGIII got injured this year... Tore his knee up being selfish, let's hold that against him.

- Fletcher is old, and honestly prolly should have missed a game or two but the streak was kept alive. I'm sure there's someone out there that'll hold that against him. And trust me, if we had lost on a TD pass to a TE on which he had coverage, he'd get destroyed on this board.

- Laron Landry, achilles problem right? Healed it his way, he went to the probowl...


Too much is being made of this.

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emoses14 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

redskinz4ever wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Davis is very talented but when is he going to put it all together? If Davis takes an incentive laden contract thats fine with me.
Personally I like Paulsen. Paulsen can catch the rock, is a big target and blocks like a beast.

well said

He was putting it together last season but got injured. I can't hold that against him. As far as "putting it together" in previous years, the team was garbage. Nobody had anything together. Look at the year Moss had in 2012, everyone thought he was washed up. If Davis doesn't get injured, he has a banner year.

Look at the TD pass he caught that was negated (the play before his injury). Paulsen isn't atheltic enough to make that play. I like Paulsen, he's a great asset and really stepped up. He's better than anyone gave him credit for, but let's not turn him into a mystical unicorn either. Paulsen isn't the future of the TE position. Davis's athelticism is something defenses have to account for, not Paulsen's.

But Davis hasn't completed two straight seasons! He's clearly injury prone what with that torn Achilles and all. That injury is like a kiss of death. He's not an elite talent, his production is awful. Cooley would have been a better option last year, if only Mike hadn't screwed him out of a roster spot. We can easily replace Davis with a player picked in 4th or 5th round of the draft, because let's be honest Paulsen was an undrafted free agent and he's CLEARLY better than Davis. Unless Davis accepts a(n (INCREDIBLY ASININE) low ball contract that pays him 1.3 million per year with incentive to 2.5 million per, he's is SO NOT WORTH IT!!!

Did I cover everything?

ey came back and did absolutely nothing. ey is not worth anything but a back up spot anymore, at one time yes he was great and is one of the top TE's this team will ever see but, lets face it he is older now and at most will fill a roster spot.
Paulsen better than Davis.... give me a break.... that is all that needs to be said.
Davis had a hell of a 2011 once he decided to stop trying to leap frog every tackler(remember that...ugh) and would have more than likely done the same or more in 2012 but got injured. The guy gets injured for one season and now he is injury prone and isn't better than a UFA

Honestly, keep him here, he is better for us than he is against us and looks to be a promising young player that will be with us for years to come, and who are we going to put in his place if we let him walk?
Paulsen..... I like the guy but not as a starter, and Niles Paul... back-up. ey shouldn't be here any longer

I've heard that Davis has either accepted an incentive laden contract or that the Redskins were working up an incentive laden contract.

Can anyone confirm?

HEROHAMO wrote:

My problem is will the guy play a full season with us. I mean he gets suspended towards the end of one season missing games. Then I hear crap in the offseason that he has legal issues. Which may or may not affect him being on the team. Then he gets injured this year. He just hasnt been on the field much in the past two years. Whats next?

2008- 11 games played; healthy for all 16 (couldn't get past ey and on the field in beginning of the year)
2009- 16 games played
2010- 16 games played
2011- 12 games played. 4 MISSED DUE TO SUSPENSION, NOT INJURY
2012- 7 games played. Torn Achiles in 8th game.

emoses14 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

My problem is will the guy play a full season with us. I mean he gets suspended towards the end of one season missing games. Then I hear crap in the offseason that he has legal issues. Which may or may not affect him being on the team. Then he gets injured this year. He just hasnt been on the field much in the past two years. Whats next?

2008- 11 games played; healthy for all 16 (couldn't get past ey and on the field in beginning of the year)
2009- 16 games played
2010- 16 games played
2011- 12 games played. 4 MISSED DUE TO SUSPENSION, NOT INJURY
2012- 7 games played. Torn Achiles in 8th game.

Hmm...that doesn't look as bad as I originally thought. Thanks for the post!!