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Great season can wait.

Until next year. The team will get better. Shanahan has dropped the varieties of "Albert Haynesworth".

If I'm the Redskins, I might consider bringing in free agent Dwayne Bowe as a compliment to Garcon. Although I like Hankerson & Morgan, both of them have been inconsistent. Dropped passes, not consistently open. Bowe is a sure upgrade over Morgan--who was our #2.

I'd rather have Garcon & Bowe as the top 2 WRs. With Moss in the slot, and Hankerson & Morgan also in the mix but to a lesser extent for now.

On the defensive side of the ball, Glenn Dorsey is a talented Defensive End that can help in that rotation. With Carriker back and Jenkins able to mix in. I would think that Dorsey could offer an upgrade over Kedric Golston.

Brent Grimes would also be on my list. You can never have too many corners, and Grimes would immediately become our best cover corner, allowing us to move D Hall around more.

ACW wrote:DEFINITELY keep Jackson.

Don't forget about Carriker's return too...A rotation up front of Jenkins, Carriker, Bowen and Cofield could be nasty.

Chris Neild showed promise before his injury too... We are suppose to be pretty deep up front.. loosing two starters and a back up this year, I'd say we are exactly that!

The Hogster wrote:If I'm the Redskins, I might consider bringing in free agent Dwayne Bowe as a compliment to Garcon. Although I like Hankerson & Morgan, both of them have been inconsistent. Dropped passes, not consistently open. Bowe is a sure upgrade over Morgan--who was our #2.

I'd rather have Garcon & Bowe as the top 2 WRs. With Moss in the slot, and Hankerson & Morgan also in the mix but to a lesser extent for now.

On the defensive side of the ball, Glenn Dorsey is a talented Defensive End that can help in that rotation. With Carriker back and Jenkins able to mix in. I would think that Dorsey could offer an upgrade over Kedric Golston.

Brent Grimes would also be on my list. You can never have too many corners, and Grimes would immediately become our best cover corner, allowing us to move D Hall around more.

Tell me more about Bowe...someone who might have passed across my eyes, but without my noticing...

IMO - Bowe is NOT a high character type player

SkinsJock wrote:IMO - Bowe is NOT a high character type player

OK...I'm lazy!

Before I look up Bowe, what indicates that he has a questionable character?

Maybe it's just me but this guy has not shown a great desire to be the best he can be on the practice field and during games ON EACH AND EVERY DAY

Great talent but not great desire - just another guy that thinks he's better than he is and wants to leave the situation he's in

If Bowe had made more of an effort this season, I'd say he's worth looking at

I doubt that Bruce & Mike bring him in

SkinsJock wrote:Maybe it's just me but this guy has not shown a great desire to be the best he can be on the practice field and during games ON EACH AND EVERY DAY

Great talent but not great desire - just another guy that thinks he's better than he is and wants to leave the situation he's in

If Bowe had made more of an effort this season, I'd say he's worth looking at

I doubt that Bruce & Mike bring him in

Of course, I was too impatient to wait, so I looked up Bowe. Seems big and fast, but dropped some important passes, and Chiefs appear to have lost interest in him. Sounds like the kind of player that Allen and Shanahan would talk with, sound out: this is your last chance to make a career.

Maybe he cooperates, but maybe he is a less abrasive Terrell Owens?

Hank needs to BULK up or toughen up. He hears footsteps and "gets scared" loosing focus and dropping the ball.

Don't play scare BRAH

I think if we upgrade our D in the offseason, it doesn't matter if it's RG3 or the Kirkster starting next year...we're still going to be a serious threat to win the NFC East.

I like Grimes: a bit on the small side BUT TOUGH and great leaping ability. At 5'10.......I've seen him cover 6'2 guys and break up passes.

He only played 1 game this season after tearing his Achilles. Maybe we can get him for less than expected.



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welch wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Maybe it's just me but this guy has not shown a great desire to be the best he can be on the practice field and during games ON EACH AND EVERY DAY

Great talent but not great desire - just another guy that thinks he's better than he is and wants to leave the situation he's in

If Bowe had made more of an effort this season, I'd say he's worth looking at

I doubt that Bruce & Mike bring him in

Of course, I was too impatient to wait, so I looked up Bowe. Seems big and fast, but dropped some important passes, and Chiefs appear to have lost interest in him. Sounds like the kind of player that Allen and Shanahan would talk with, sound out: this is your last chance to make a career.

Maybe he cooperates, but maybe he is a less abrasive Terrell Owens?

He's a big, fast, talented receiver who has been sure handed. I would compare his hands to Garcon, in that he seems to make every tough catch thrown his way but has occassionally has dropped some catchable passes. But, he's been playing for the Kansas City Chiefs where he has been trying to catch passes from a gaggle of guys who would probably be in the CFL if it weren't for the KC Chiefs.

When evaluating your roster though the question is whether this player makes your team better. In my view, Bowe is easily a marked improvement over Josh Morgan--and would put a great deal of pressure on defenses who may try to take away Garcon with double teams since Morgan hasn't shown the ability to beat anyone 1-1.

There is no doubt that Bowe has the talent and if it's just a matter of getting the best talent available then he's at or near the top of the list

I VERY MUCH doubt that Bowe fits the VERY STRONG character 'mold' that Bruce and Mike want

we'll see

SkinsJock wrote:There is no doubt that Bowe has the talent and if it's just a matter of getting the best talent available then he's at or near the top of the list

I VERY MUCH doubt that Bowe fits the VERY STRONG character 'mold' that Bruce and Mike want

we'll see

WTH are you talking about. First, how do you know Bowe's character? He plays in KC, do you know him personally? Doubt it.

He was suspended once in his career for what his agent claims was him taking a banned dietary supplement. A PED suspension. On this team, we had C. Griffin & J. Black suspended for the same sort of violation. We also had T. Williams, F. Davis & T. Jackson suspended for recreational drug use violations. I doubt we are only looking for Holy Rollers to bring to this team. Besides, testing positive for Ephedra, Adderall or some other stimulant that the league bans hardly means you are of low character. I'd rather have guys like our guys or like Bowe, than guys who are cancerous to the locker room or have off field issues. Bowe has never been known to be in trouble, and I've never heard of him making a jerk of himself despite being on a terrible team where his talent has largely been wasted.

You also have to trust your own locker room when picking free agents. He will probably never become a team captain here. Some guys aren't built for that. They do best where a locker already has strong leadership. We have that here.

Fred Davis we have to keep! I would say ey is gone. I hope everyone coming off IR can make a impact and with the reduction in cap and lack of 1st round pick I say the players on IR will be very important, Tanard Jackson should be reinstated and he is a baller period, hopefully Merriweather is back there and that would and may even be the best safety tandem in the NFC East. I think we also need a stud RT, cut ties with #77 he is too injury prone and Polumbus is an above average player that should be second string. I hope Helu comes back as our 3rd down back and can spell Morris but Royster to me is the odd man out, he did nothing good IMHO this year and ran like his feet were in mud. I think we also need to cut ties with Hankerson and Morgan or maybe use them as trade bait for a starting lineman and or linebacker, I think we need to slowly phase London Fletcher out if he comes back next year which is a big if.............Not sure Moss will be back either...........

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Fred Davis we have to keep! I would say ey is gone. I hope everyone coming off IR can make a impact and with the reduction in cap and lack of 1st round pick I say the players on IR will be very important, Tanard Jackson should be reinstated and he is a baller period, hopefully Merriweather is back there and that would and may even be the best safety tandem in the NFC East. I think we also need a stud RT, cut ties with #77 he is too injury prone and Polumbus is an above average player that should be second string. I hope Helu comes back as our 3rd down back and can spell Morris but Royster to me is the odd man out, he did nothing good IMHO this year and ran like his feet were in mud. I think we also need to cut ties with Hankerson and Morgan or maybe use them as trade bait for a starting lineman and or linebacker, I think we need to slowly phase London Fletcher out if he comes back next year which is a big if.............Not sure Moss will be back either...........

Moss is still our second best WR. I hope the team recognizes this and brings him back. I like Morgan, he's a hometown guy and plays hard. But, he just doesn't scare anyone as a #2 receiver. I'd upgrade his position with Bowe. It would be nice if Hankerson would step up and overtake him, but he's not been consistent enough. The only guys we have who go across the middle without fear are Garcon & Moss. SMH Both Hankerson & Morgan have gotten alligator arms.

As for London Fletcher, I think he could play for 2 more years. If you watch the NFL Replay footage, you can see how valuable he is. He's telling Haslett on the sidelines what plays the team is running out of which formations. He's the guy that Bowen and Cofield are asking what to do. London not only has the physical ability to play at a high level, but his knowledge and leadership is irreplacable right now. Keenan Robinson isn't ready enough to be a leader in the middle. Ryan Kerrigan doesn't seem to be a vocal leader. And, you'd want to have one of your middle backers be the leader anyhow.

The Hogster wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Fred Davis we have to keep! I would say ey is gone. I hope everyone coming off IR can make a impact and with the reduction in cap and lack of 1st round pick I say the players on IR will be very important, Tanard Jackson should be reinstated and he is a baller period, hopefully Merriweather is back there and that would and may even be the best safety tandem in the NFC East. I think we also need a stud RT, cut ties with #77 he is too injury prone and Polumbus is an above average player that should be second string. I hope Helu comes back as our 3rd down back and can spell Morris but Royster to me is the odd man out, he did nothing good IMHO this year and ran like his feet were in mud. I think we also need to cut ties with Hankerson and Morgan or maybe use them as trade bait for a starting lineman and or linebacker, I think we need to slowly phase London Fletcher out if he comes back next year which is a big if.............Not sure Moss will be back either...........

Moss is still our second best WR. I hope the team recognizes this and brings him back. I like Morgan, he's a hometown guy and plays hard. But, he just doesn't scare anyone as a #2 receiver. I'd upgrade his position with Bowe. It would be nice if Hankerson would step up and overtake him, but he's not been consistent enough. The only guys we have who go across the middle without fear are Garcon & Moss. SMH Both Hankerson & Morgan have gotten alligator arms.

As for London Fletcher, I think he could play for 2 more years. If you watch the NFL Replay footage, you can see how valuable he is. He's telling Haslett on the sidelines what plays the team is running out of which formations. He's the guy that Bowen and Cofield are asking what to do. London not only has the physical ability to play at a high level, but his knowledge and leadership is irreplacable right now. Keenan Robinson isn't ready enough to be a leader in the middle. Ryan Kerrigan doesn't seem to be a vocal leader. And, you'd want to have one of your middle backers be the leader anyhow.

+1

Agree about Santana Moss. If Bowe has "it" inside, then I'd love to have two big fast WR's.

Remembering Charley Taylor and Roy Jefferson, even though George Allen probably worried more when the Redskins threw a pass than when the opponent did. Taylor and Jefferson were still a great pair...and adding Jerry Smith...sometimes, we would cheer if the Redskins fell behind, because then Old George would be forced to let Kilmer or Jurgensen throw.

As for Fletcher, I think it's a decision for him to make. He is certainly a fine player, but does he want another year of battering on-field?

welch wrote:Agree about Santana Moss. If Bowe has "it" inside, then I'd love to have two big fast WR's.

Remembering Charley Taylor and Roy Jefferson, even though George Allen probably worried more when the Redskins threw a pass than when the opponent did. Taylor and Jefferson were still a great pair...and adding Jerry Smith...sometimes, we would cheer if the Redskins fell behind, because then Old George would be forced to let Kilmer or Jurgensen throw.

As for Fletcher, I think it's a decision for him to make. He is certainly a fine player, but does he want another year of battering on-field?

True. Father Time is undefeated. I read that after injuring his ankle, Fletcher didn't practice for something like the last 7 weeks of the year. I think with his experience level and the amount of time he puts in off the practice field, that we could afford to have him participate in a limited capacity for the whole year, to keep him fresh.

Fletcher's quote was "I only feel good for 3 hours every week, and that's on game day." I'd bring him back and only have him participate in conditioning through the year. With 17 years of experience, it's not as if he needs practice reps. That could allow his eventual replacement to get some needed experience in practice as well.

welch wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Maybe it's just me but this guy has not shown a great desire to be the best he can be on the practice field and during games ON EACH AND EVERY DAY

Great talent but not great desire - just another guy that thinks he's better than he is and wants to leave the situation he's in

If Bowe had made more of an effort this season, I'd say he's worth looking at

I doubt that Bruce & Mike bring him in

Of course, I was too impatient to wait, so I looked up Bowe. Seems big and fast, but dropped some important passes, and Chiefs appear to have lost interest in him. Sounds like the kind of player that Allen and Shanahan would talk with, sound out: this is your last chance to make a career.

Maybe he cooperates, but maybe he is a less abrasive Terrell Owens?

You maybe right welch - I do not know about his attitude - I thought I read he was a bit 'difficult' but I do not know ..

Bowe is a really good WR and I'm sure we'll soon find out if he's the type of character guy that Mike wants because his talent is sky high

From Boswell:

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How well and how much will Griffin be able to run when he returns? It matters, but maybe not a great deal. After watching him get knocked out in three of his 16 starts this season, what Redskin coach is ever again going to allow RGIII to run the ball 120 times, whether he gains 815 yards or not?

Griffin blew up his knee at Baylor, now again. What is it we don’t understand? The slim Griffin isn’t fragile, but he’s not extremely durable.

Aaron Rodgers is a mobile quarterback and an effective runner in crucial spots. He averages about 60 carries for 300 yards every year. That’s a good model. More isn’t necessary. Given RGIII’s history, more might be nuts. If a team doesn’t willfully destroy a quarterback, he should last a decade.

DarthMonk wrote:From Boswell:

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Excerpt:

How well and how much will Griffin be able to run when he returns? It matters, but maybe not a great deal. After watching him get knocked out in three of his 16 starts this season, what Redskin coach is ever again going to allow RGIII to run the ball 120 times, whether he gains 815 yards or not?

Griffin blew up his knee at Baylor, now again. What is it we don’t understand? The slim Griffin isn’t fragile, but he’s not extremely durable.

Aaron Rodgers is a mobile quarterback and an effective runner in crucial spots. He averages about 60 carries for 300 yards every year. That’s a good model. More isn’t necessary. Given RGIII’s history, more might be nuts. If a team doesn’t willfully destroy a quarterback, he should last a decade.

While it's tough to argue with his general premise, it ignores the nature of what happened to RGIII. He got injured on non-designed run plays. That doesn't mean that he should not carry the ball less. He should. But, a big part of his runs came on the read option which when run correctly, allows him to run only when there's open field due to the DE taking the running back.

Aaron Rodgers runs mainly on scrambles, and some designed draw plays. I think the correct balance is somewhere in between. Maybe 80-100 runs. More than Rodgers' 60, but less than his 120 this year. I make that conclusion because I don't think the Redskins should eliminate the read option. They perfected it. And, RGIII can run it without exposing himself to risk. He needs to do a better job of protecting himself.

The balance from the Dallas game was more like what I'd prefer to see. He ran a few times when needed, and protected himself. We shouldn't stop doing that. It's what makes him so lethal. It keeps the defense's feet in quicksand.

If he runs more like he did in the Dallas game. That would put him on pace for 96 carries for the year. More importantly, he got down or out of bounds without getting hit. That is the perfect balance.

Bowe is very talented. I remember wanting us to draft him out of LSU.

He does however drop a lot of passes. Especially in crucial moments this season. His previous seasons were far better.

To be fair the Chiefs Qbs played terribly this year. Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn. Also the Chiefs now have a new head coach and they just went through a tragedy. So I would expect Bowe to come back strong.

Have no idea if the Chiefs are going to give him a new contract. Id imagine Reid would want a proven receiving threat in Bowe. Its not easy to find good wide recievers.

Unfortunately, Reid is no dummy. Agree with Hero...Chiefs keep Bowe.

The Hogster wrote:
The balance from the Dallas game was more like what I'd prefer to see. He ran a few times when needed, and protected himself. We shouldn't stop doing that. It's what makes him so lethal. It keeps the defense's feet in quicksand.

If he runs more like he did in the Dallas game. That would put him on pace for 96 carries for the year. More importantly, he got down or out of bounds without getting hit. That is the perfect balance.

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