StorminMormon86 wrote:Russ Wilson is the new golden boy of the rookies. I wouldn't be surprised if he won.
No question - Russell Wilson played great
just a question - did he win more ROW or ROM awards than RG3?
now If he did not then how can he be considered ROY
ROY HAS TO BE
Robert Griffin III
Alfred Morris / Andrew Luck
then Russell Wilson
anything else is a travesty BUT not a surprise
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:No question - Russell Wilson played great
just a question - did he win more ROW or ROM awards than RG3?
now If he did not then how can he be considered ROY
ROY HAS TO BE
Robert Griffin III Alfred Morris / Andrew Luck
then Russell Wilson
anything else is a travesty BUT not a surprise
You can say he "has to be ROY" all you want, that doesn't guarantee a win. The fact that we lost to Seattle will make a lot of people think Russell Wilson is the better QB, which is stupid, but it's going to happen.
how many weeks did Russell Wilson have better weeks as QB than RG3
OR
how many Rookie of the weeks did Russell Wilson win?
please get back to us ...
the Rookie of the year is the rookie who had the better season - 16 games - not the last 1, ALL 16 games
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
StorminMormon86 wrote:Russ Wilson is the new golden boy of the rookies. I wouldn't be surprised if he won.
Agreed. People have a short memory. RGIII's full season of work is clearly superior, IMHO. At one point Wilson went almost an entire game without completing a pass beyond the line of scrimmage. He had very pedestrian numbers until half the season had gone. Midway through the year RGIII and Luck were the only contenders. Then Luck really dropped off in quality.
But as you point out, people don't think that way. The fact that Wilson won their "matchup" will probably give him the edge he needs. Oh well.
Yeah Wilson might end up stealing it but it really means nothing in the end. I can't see straight on the issue anyway; I've been way too biased against Wilson all year.
RG3 gets hit: "Oh come on that's not necessary; you don't have to hit him that hard!!"
Wilson runs the ball: "KILL HIM!!! KILL HIM!! MAKE HIM BLEEEEEEED!!!"
HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Yeah Wilson might end up stealing it but it really means nothing in the end. I can't see straight on the issue anyway; I've been way too biased against Wilson all year.
RG3 gets hit: "Oh come on that's not necessary; you don't have to hit him that hard!!"
Wilson runs the ball: "KILL HIM!!! KILL HIM!! MAKE HIM BLEEEEEEED!!!"
Seems I'm not the only one! Lmfao
#21 forever in our hearts “I wanted to just… put his lights out ….because, you know, …Dallas sucks…” - Dexter Manley
OK - let's get this settled - there is no "winning" or "stealing" involved here ..
this is an award - NOTHING MORE
IN MANY CASES when the media and fans are involved - the "award" goes to the wrong player
ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS ASK YOURSELF - which rookie player had the best year = 16 games
that player is the Rookie of the year - it does not mean that the "award" will go to that player
why do you think so many players from the bigger fan bases get selected
I am not biased when I say - "RG3 is the best rookie player for the 2012 season" ... this does not mean he will get the award
what part of THE FACT that the BEST players do NOT always get these awards do some of you NOT UNDERSTAND
actually - in most cases involving fan or media voting - the BEST PLAYER does not get the recognition
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Despite SJ's saying there's no need to vote any longer, I want to encourage all Skins fans to vote some more for one of our stand out rookies. I sure would hate to see one of those other jokers take down this trophy, when our guys deserve it so much more.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Deadskins wrote:Despite SJ's saying there's no need to vote any longer, I want to encourage all Skins fans to vote some more for one of our stand out rookies. I sure would hate to see one of those other jokers take down this trophy, when our guys deserve it so much more.
I'm SJ and I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE this post
VOTE EARLY and VOTE OFTEN - this is TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE
please also keep in mind - this is for the Rookie of the YEAR - don't vote for any rookie that only had a partially good year
vote for the rookie player that had the better year
IMO - there's only 1 candidate, really - VOTE for Robert Griffin III
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Why?! Look at his INT's compared to RGIII...then look at the difference in QB rating...then you'll see why it's bad to vote for the highly overrated Luck.
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:Robert Griffin III has been named Pro Football Weekly / Pro Football Writers of America’s 2012 NFL Rookie of the Year.
+1
Should win the AP award as well, and will be Comeback Player of the Year 2013. Hail
Man, I want to believe. I'm still bitter about the situation.
It sucks watching RW and Kaepernick do their RGIII imitations this week, but time heals. I look to his 2009 recovery to win the Heisman and lead Baylor to 10 wins for the first time in decades. I also look to Jammal Charles' recovery and Adrian Peterson's. Obviously each injury is different, but I think RGIII has earned the presumption that if anyone can come back better than ever, it's him. Also important to note that he plays QB and not RB. I am optimistic. Put me in the category of people who think he'll be as good if not better.
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The Hogster wrote:Time heals. I look to his 2009 recovery to win the Heisman and lead Baylor to 10 wins for the first time in decades. I also look to Jammal Charles' recovery and Adrian Peterson's. Obviously each injury is different, but I think RGIII has earned the presumption that if anyone can come back better than ever, it's him. Also important to note that he plays QB and not RB. I am optimistic. Put me in the category of people who think he'll be as good if not better.
He just worries me man. I think about that game and how he made that one unnecessary spin move. And then I think about how just string plays out to the last second. I just hope that this is a wake up call for him. He has to improve on protecting himself. That gutsy hero stuff aint helping us from the sofa. I really wanted to see wut this kid could do with an entire off-season dedicated to learning how to become a drop back passer. I dunno... I hope for the best but his injury killed my enthusiasm for next year.
The Hogster wrote:Time heals. I look to his 2009 recovery to win the Heisman and lead Baylor to 10 wins for the first time in decades. I also look to Jammal Charles' recovery and Adrian Peterson's. Obviously each injury is different, but I think RGIII has earned the presumption that if anyone can come back better than ever, it's him. Also important to note that he plays QB and not RB. I am optimistic. Put me in the category of people who think he'll be as good if not better.
He just worries me man. I think about that game and how he made that one unnecessary spin move. And then I think about how just string plays out to the last second. I just hope that this is a wake up call for him. He has to improve on protecting himself. That gutsy hero stuff aint helping us from the sofa. I really wanted to see wut this kid could do with an entire off-season dedicated to learning how to become a drop back passer. I dunno... I hope for the best but his injury killed my enthusiasm for next year.
It sucks. And, not to get philosophical. But, everything happens for a reason. I think that this injury will actually force RGIII to speed up his understanding of the game from a different perspective. When the ability to simply out run everyone is taken away, he had to see the game differently. I also expect that process to continue while he's recovering.
Another thing is that his father alluded to the fact that the 2009 reconstruction wasn't strong enough on the ACL. Having his knee repaired structurally by the best surgeon now may prove to save us another setback later. He's only 22. And, now has two structurally sound knees. It's a matter of recovering now, and he has i) youth, ii) freakish athleticism, and iii) an unmatched work ethic on his side. He may start the year looking more like Russell Wilson, but I have no doubt that with time, his speed and explosion will return much like Adrian Peterson's. He got better as the year went on, and he was taking a pounding every play. As long as RGIII has no setbacks, he'll get better steadily.
The Hogster wrote: He's only 22. And, now has two structurally sound knees.
If this is true we're in good shape. At this point, though, there's no way to know how much the knee has suffered structurally from the two injuries. I have no doubt his ligaments will be in decent shape, but it's my understanding that's not the only concern in these kinds of situations.
The Hogster wrote:I think that this injury will actually force RGIII to speed up his understanding of the game from a different perspective.
I hope so.
The Hogster wrote:When the ability to simply out run everyone is taken away, he had to see the game differently. I also expect that process to continue while he's recovering.
He lost that ability weeks ago and he was still doing dumb stuff in the SEA game. That's what makes me hesitant to believe him.
The Hogster wrote:Another thing is that his father alluded to the fact that the 2009 reconstruction wasn't strong enough on the ACL.
This is a positive.
The Hogster wrote:Having his knee repaired structurally by the best surgeon now may prove to save us another setback later.
I thought of this too.
The Hogster wrote:He may start the year looking more like Russell Wilson
He's gonna have to learn how to slide properly.
The Hogster wrote:I have no doubt that with time, his speed and explosion will return much like Adrian Peterson's. He got better as the year went on, and he was taking a pounding every play. As long as RGIII has no setbacks, he'll get better steadily.
