Peter King says he is hearing that

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:10 pm

surfer, he has been there the last three years as a starter/alternate.

VRIEL1 · Post by **VRIEL1** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:42 pm

Samuals is a great player. The problem was Spurier didn't have any blocking schemes in place and he was assisting the guy next to him all year long because he kept screwing up who he was supposed to block. When you don't have someone next to you with expierence and have to look out for his blocking also it takes away from what your trying to do. Besides... the head hog stated he likes him!!!

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:00 pm

VRIEL1 wrote:Besides... the head hog stated he likes him!!!

Thank you! :rock:

I'm glad you brought that up because if you've been complimented by Buges, you've been complimented by the best! And this is coming from his comments on practice that was just a couple of weeks ago.

You guys have to lay off of him. Chris isn't the only lineman who sucked last year! He played for what he was worth (about $500,000 to all ya haters). Why has this been "Pick on Samuels" month?

Boss also posts an article regarding Chris helping out his community and then the stupid talk of his contract situation and his mediocre 2003 comes up somehow. Face it, there won't be a lot of more moves made by us. And if there are some moves made, Chris will not be involved in any of them unless it involves him restructuring.

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:03 pm

Samuels is a quality guy and quality player. He did have an off year but like previous posters stated, Spurrier's system is mostly to blame. I don't like the rumor of this trade - he's worth too much to this team and he's a core guy, like Jansen and Lavar (and new guys like Coles and Ramsey) that we should focus on keeping around. We've let too many core players slip out of here in the past and we need to focus on keeping quality people and players around to get our tradition and winning spirit back. You CANNOT base Samuals' play on last season... that is completely bogus.

Hopefully he can renegotiate or we can re-up him for a long term, cap friendly price b/c he's a Redskin.

LetsRollBurgundyNGold · Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:08 pm

Even before Jake came on and debunked the rumor, my response was gonna be an emphatic "I don't know about all that!!" That move would be countermand the direction the team has been going in, vis a vis picking up players with proven NFL performance as opposed to looking for potential in the draft...for all that they should've kept their second and third round picks, let Brunell hang until his eventual release, and never work out the Bailey/Portis deal (under the assumption that finding potential in the draft was more imperative)...

fands57 · Post by **fands57** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:14 pm

First of all, Samuels is overrated. He is always the lineman that gets caught for penalties, and I'm sorry no lineman is worth his kind of money. Gallery will not be a bust, he's a monster and all the scouts are saying it. Getting rid of him means that we will have a lot of cap space that we need to get a d-lineman. I love Samuels and I loved Bailey too. But sometimes you have to say bye to good players that want too much money. Oh, and by the way, Samuels agent is the same as Ramsey's and he has already stated that he has no plans to listen to the Redskins about restructuring his contract. The Washington Times also said that Gallery visited Redskins Park yesterday. I'm not saying that the trade will happen, I'm just sayin that we should all watch out for this scenario and realize that its the best for the Skins current situation.

verm04 · Post by **verm04** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:20 pm

Does anyone have any idae of what type of cap hit we would take if we traded a player with Samual's salary? I dont know personally but everything i hear leads me to beleive it would be a very large number. That type of cap hit plus signing 2 top 5 picks would certainly hurt our already bad salary cap conditions(unless theres something i missed? If anything about this actually did come from fedex it was just a very poorly vieled attempt to make Samuals restructure.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:31 pm

verm04 wrote:Does anyone have any idae of what type of cap hit we would take if we traded a player with Samual's salary? I dont know personally but everything i hear leads me to beleive it would be a very large number. That type of cap hit plus signing 2 top 5 picks would certainly hurt our already bad salary cap conditions(unless theres something i missed? If anything about this actually did come from fedex it was just a very poorly vieled attempt to make Samuals restructure.

you my friend, hit the nail on the head... trade Chris Samuels eh?

So we're going to give up Samuels to get Gallery, who will cost a fortune anyway... same kind of annual dollars Sammy gets, though the first few years will have smaller cap hits...

And it will cost us about $9 mil to this year's cap with the proration of the signing bonus, when he has a cap hit right now of 8.75M... so we lose money...

... that'll happen.

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:36 pm

If Samuels is healthy and has a real head coach he is a GREAT player. KEEP HIM!!!!!!!

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:38 pm

Thanks, Bosshog - That should put an end to that argument alone. That, in addition to losing pro-bowl talent who WILL regain his from under Bugel, would be a major blow to the direction we're going in. Why risk all that on unproven talent? We'll be facing some of the toughest D's in the league in the NFC East, we need the best proven players to compete.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:43 pm

I don't know about this. I mean we give other players credit for not playing 100% because of coaching. On a radio show Jacoby said Samuels was doing something wrong fundementally. Something a coach should have caught.

DaRealistJoka · Post by **DaRealistJoka** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:57 pm

I am all for it Chris dont want to help the team out, so trade him get Gallery at 2 and Taylor at 5 am all for that plus cap room this would be great. Did it say anything about
Oakland being interested in that trade?

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:59 pm

I am all for it Chris dont want to help the team out, so trade him get Gallery at 2 and Taylor at 5 am all for that plus cap room this would be great. Did it say anything about
Oakland being interested in that trade?

Cap room? Read BossHogs thread above - it wouldn't work out in our favor...

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:03 pm

Getting rid of Samuels would be stupid. Especially when we will loose money out of it. The only way it would make sense to me is if Samuels just didn't wanna play here no more. That can't be the case. During the mini camp he told reporters that he hopes to be one of those Core group of players Coach Gibbs was talking about.

He wants to stay here or he wouldn't have said that. We all know that he hasn't played very well for the last two years, but don't forget he was injured two years ago. He had a bad ankle sprain and I think 3 other injuries to his lower body. He did good enough to get the Ed Block courage award.

Bugel himself even said he likes Samuels. It was one of the first things he said when he got here. And if we're gonna loose money out of it. Then you got to believe Danny will have nothing to do with it!!!

BigCarter28 · Post by **BigCarter28** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:10 pm

I think Samuels is overrated like Trotter, a couple of months ago everyone ripped into me when I said we should cut trotter... and look what happened, the cap hit will be pretty big but I dont think management (which has usually been terrible) is worrying about it, and with the 2nd pick who knows what we would do

Secondly Im sick of listing to all these supposed "expert" analysts predictions or rumors, name me ONE analyst who predicted that the Eagles were interested in Jevon Kearse

kkryan · Post by **kkryan** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:36 pm

surferskin wrote:
gambit187 wrote:? how much did Samuels make those years he went to the pro-bowl as compared to what he about to make.

not really sure but he didn't go more than one year, not years pural.

Big deal, the pro bowl is just a popularity contest. LaVar, Larry Allen, Champ, Farve didn't deserve to go. I am tired of people equivicating pro bowl appearances to quality play!!!

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:40 pm

NikiH wrote:I don't know about this. I mean we give other players credit for not playing 100% because of coaching. On a radio show Jacoby said Samuels was doing something wrong fundementally. Something a coach should have caught.

Too bad Spurrier isn't the brightest crayon in the box and can't even catch a cold. :lol:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:52 pm

Redskinfan29 wrote:the Redskins are talking to the Raiders about Samuels, since he won't restructure. On another board, there is talk that King said that the Redskins would trade Samuels and the 5th round pick to Oakland for the #2. We would then take Gallery at #2.

Who knows, but I thought I would throw it out there.

It's a good topic but Any link to this rumor?

ChiliPalmer · Post by **ChiliPalmer** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:57 pm

I think you have to keep Samuels. And, as was stated, why trade the #2 pick for Samuels when you can get Gallery with that pick.

I too was impressed by Winey, but you need depth. All that said, if (worst case scenario, and I don't expect it) if Samuels has a bad season under Bugel, his trade value will be...umm...low.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:10 pm

Jake wrote: Too bad Spurrier isn't the brightest crayon in the box and can't even catch a cold.

See, Jake ? You're letting your emotions get the best of you again. "Spurrier isn't the brightest color in the box "? Maybe you need to go get yourself a new box of Crayons. The color "Spurrier" is indeed the brightest color in the box. It's also known as "Embarrassment Red".
Oh, and further, the proof is in the pudding. The man wore shorts on a 39 degree day and absolutely DID catch a cold. It was evident from his sniffling through a press conference four days later.

See ? You need to step back and view the thing in the third person. :roll:

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:28 pm

I do believe, like Gardner, that Samuels has upside. I think that Gibbs and Bugel and Zampese and the likes will design an offense to bring out the best in them for us.

If they will trade C-Sam... it would be next year when we wouldn't take as much of a hit. Unless he is poisonous behind closed doors - which unless any of you is a Skin and hiding it from us you won't know any more than I.

I don't really believe that the coaches are going to create another hole, one that would cost us money in the balance. This would be a bad move.

Jeremy81 · Post by **Jeremy81** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:22 pm

is there any link you can give us to read for ourselves? it sounds good, but very unlikely

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:45 pm

I agree it is unlikely... and I haven't seen anything on the web to link to - I haven't even been home long enough to do so - been on the road

VRIEL1 · Post by **VRIEL1** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:11 pm

Someone mentioned his $500,000 salary...keep in mind that if we get two 1st round picks we will be spending alot of money. Last yr at #5 a CB was picked and signing bonus alone was $15mil. then salary. They are expecting the same for this yr or more. Now imagine signing two 1st round picks with signing bonuses and salaries. This would not make sense. We would be spending alot more money and more after trading Samuals because of the Cap hit. If this did go down then please let the owner know he can throw money my way if he truley needs a tax write off. I could use the money.

njskinsfan · Post by **njskinsfan** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:23 pm

I think the Skins handled the Chump situation the best way possible (minus the second round pick) Redskins4life. So if we can't get a long term deal by next year with Samuals we will slap the franchise on him and trade him also if necessary. I only don't like the Oakland scenario when you look at the signing bonus $$$$$ it will kill us and this is why we ARE trading down from #5

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