The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

DOGSRBACK wrote:1. What is the all time regular season head to head record Browns vs. Redskins?

{Probably very one-sided in favor of the Browns. Paul Brown's team joined the NFL with a more advanced offense than anyone had seen; at the same time, the Redskins were slipping down and farther down as GP Marshall's ego tried to prove that he could out-manage George Halas, and then, in the '50s, Marshall decided to make the Redskins the team of segregation. Changed the fight song from "Fight for old DC" to "fight for old Dixie"...which doesn't even sing well. The Browns moved to the AFC, along with the Steelers and Colts, just as the Redskins became very good: about 1971. Would not have faced each other often}


2. What is the Redskins all time postseason record vs. Cleveland teams?

{Can't remember that the teams ever played in post-season}

3. Name the 5 players that also at some point played for the Browns that have made the Pro Bowl as a member of the Washington Redskins.

{Bobby Mitchell. Everyone else is a midget compared to Mitchell. Some Browns, such as Frank Ryan, played out the end of their careers wuith the Redskins. I think Ryan was the backup for Sonny Jurgensen in the late '60s. Dick Modzelewski, brother of Ed "Big Mo", started as a lineman for the Redskins but was sent to the Giants, where he became all-pro...maybe Hall of Fame..."Little Mo" played beside Roosevelt Grier, and made the Giants defense very tough}


4. What 2 Redskins first round draft choices played at some point with the Cleveland Browns?

{Don't know, but I'll take a wild guess: Ralph Guglielmi and Pat Richter}

5. During a certain era of their history the Redskins became known as the "Over the Hill Gang" because they would trade their high draft picks for veterans. How many years in this era did the Redskins go without ever selecting in the first round of the NFL draft?

{Next first round draft pick was Art Monk, taken in 1980. George Allen continued to trade first rounders even after the Over the Hill Gang retired. This got him Joe Theisman and Dave Butz...shrewd decisions. Bobby Beathard continued after Allen left to coach the Rams}



6. From 1946 to 1962 the Washington Redskins held their training camp at a college attended by a future occupant of the most famous address in that city....and which school was also the alma mater of a Vice Presidential Candidate (who didn't make it) that played in the NFL. What was the school and who were the two men involved here that went there?

{The Redskins trained for many years at Carlisle "Indian School", home of Jim Thorpe. No idea of VP candidates, but Jim Thorpe is thought to have been among the greatest athletes of all time.}



7. In 1963 the Redskins moved from the above school and from then til 1994 they trained at the school that was attended by one of the founding fathers of the National Football League. Where was this school?

{OK...maybe this was Carlisle}



8. What were the Washington Redskins originally named?

{Boston Braves...named to remind Bostonians of the baseball team now playing in Atlanta, and probably a reference to the "indian" disguises that the Liberty Boys wore as they dumped tea in Boston Harbor in 1773.}


9. Vince Lombardi was not the only ex-Packers coach to be the HC of the Redskins. What other former Packer coach went on to coach the Skins?

{Curly Lambeau. Did not last long, since Lambeau could not tolerate GP Marshall's interference. Or you could say that Marshall could not tolerate a strong-minded coach}

10. Who did Vince Lombardi replace as the HC of the Redskins?

{"Toot", the great QB, passing strategist, and HC who decided that fans didn't want to see defense or a running offense. Moved rookie-of-the-year RB and all-pro Charley Taylor to WR, paired off with Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith at TE. Taylor was 6-4, 217 pounds, fastest player on the team, and a dazzling cut-back runner with great hands. With Sonny J passing, it was like the invention of nuclear weapons. If only Toot -- anagram of "Otto" -- had built a Paul Brown running attack and defense]}

11. The Redskins, true to the racist nature of their owner George Preston Marshall, were the last NFL team to integrate. How finally did this integration come about....against the will of Marshall.

{Interior Secretary Stewart Udall told Marshall that his team could not use the new DC Stadium (now named RFK) if they remained a segretated business. Since DC had no home-rule then, the US Government had built the stadium and owned it. Meanwhile, Marshall's friend, Edward Bennett Williams, a liberal, had pushed Marshall to drop the color barrier. Marshall dallied around, at one point claiming that he would have swung a trade for Bobby Mitchell except that the Browns (maybe Modell owned them by then?), evil people, had refused the Redskins fine offer of MC Reynolds...the Redskins' third-string QB. Shirley Povich wrote some of his most devastating articles as he pounded Marshall day after day}

12. Besides the Redskins, what other major professional sports team did Jack Kent Cooke own at one point?

{Teams, I think. JKC owned both the La Lakers and the LA Kings. He was Canadian, and later said that "I counted the large number of ex-Canadians in LA and thought owning a hockey team would be great business...then learned that all the ex-Canadians had moved to LA to get away from ice hockey!"}

welch wrote:

DOGSRBACK wrote:1. What is the all time regular season head to head record Browns vs. Redskins?

{Probably very one-sided in favor of the Browns. Paul Brown's team joined the NFL with a more advanced offense than anyone had seen; at the same time, the Redskins were slipping down and farther down as GP Marshall's ego tried to prove that he could out-manage George Halas, and then, in the '50s, Marshall decided to make the Redskins the team of segregation. Changed the fight song from "Fight for old DC" to "fight for old Dixie"...which doesn't even sing well. The Browns moved to the AFC, along with the Steelers and Colts, just as the Redskins became very good: about 1971. Would not have faced each other often}


2. What is the Redskins all time postseason record vs. Cleveland teams?

{Can't remember that the teams ever played in post-season}

3. Name the 5 players that also at some point played for the Browns that have made the Pro Bowl as a member of the Washington Redskins.

{Bobby Mitchell. Everyone else is a midget compared to Mitchell. Some Browns, such as Frank Ryan, played out the end of their careers wuith the Redskins. I think Ryan was the backup for Sonny Jurgensen in the late '60s. Dick Modzelewski, brother of Ed "Big Mo", started as a lineman for the Redskins but was sent to the Giants, where he became all-pro...maybe Hall of Fame..."Little Mo" played beside Roosevelt Grier, and made the Giants defense very tough}


4. What 2 Redskins first round draft choices played at some point with the Cleveland Browns?

{Don't know, but I'll take a wild guess: Ralph Guglielmi and Pat Richter}

Ernie Davis could have counted if he hadn't died. The other 1st round draft choice that played for the Brownies was Kenard Lang.

5. During a certain era of their history the Redskins became known as the "Over the Hill Gang" because they would trade their high draft picks for veterans. How many years in this era did the Redskins go without ever selecting in the first round of the NFL draft?

{Next first round draft pick was Art Monk, taken in 1980. George Allen continued to trade first rounders even after the Over the Hill Gang retired. This got him Joe Theisman and Dave Butz...shrewd decisions. Bobby Beathard continued after Allen left to coach the Rams}



6. From 1946 to 1962 the Washington Redskins held their training camp at a college attended by a future occupant of the most famous address in that city....and which school was also the alma mater of a Vice Presidential Candidate (who didn't make it) that played in the NFL. What was the school and who were the two men involved here that went there?

{The Redskins trained for many years at Carlisle "Indian School", home of Jim Thorpe. No idea of VP candidates, but Jim Thorpe is thought to have been among the greatest athletes of all time.}



7. In 1963 the Redskins moved from the above school and from then til 1994 they trained at the school that was attended by one of the founding fathers of the National Football League. Where was this school?

{OK...maybe this was Carlisle}



8. What were the Washington Redskins originally named?

{Boston Braves...named to remind Bostonians of the baseball team now playing in Atlanta, and probably a reference to the "indian" disguises that the Liberty Boys wore as they dumped tea in Boston Harbor in 1773.}


9. Vince Lombardi was not the only ex-Packers coach to be the HC of the Redskins. What other former Packer coach went on to coach the Skins?

{Curly Lambeau. Did not last long, since Lambeau could not tolerate GP Marshall's interference. Or you could say that Marshall could not tolerate a strong-minded coach}

10. Who did Vince Lombardi replace as the HC of the Redskins?

{"Toot", the great QB, passing strategist, and HC who decided that fans didn't want to see defense or a running offense. Moved rookie-of-the-year RB and all-pro Charley Taylor to WR, paired off with Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith at TE. Taylor was 6-4, 217 pounds, fastest player on the team, and a dazzling cut-back runner with great hands. With Sonny J passing, it was like the invention of nuclear weapons. If only Toot -- anagram of "Otto" -- had built a Paul Brown running attack and defense]}

11. The Redskins, true to the racist nature of their owner George Preston Marshall, were the last NFL team to integrate. How finally did this integration come about....against the will of Marshall.

{Interior Secretary Stewart Udall told Marshall that his team could not use the new DC Stadium (now named RFK) if they remained a segretated business. Since DC had no home-rule then, the US Government had built the stadium and owned it. Meanwhile, Marshall's friend, Edward Bennett Williams, a liberal, had pushed Marshall to drop the color barrier. Marshall dallied around, at one point claiming that he would have swung a trade for Bobby Mitchell except that the Browns (maybe Modell owned them by then?), evil people, had refused the Redskins fine offer of MC Reynolds...the Redskins' third-string QB. Shirley Povich wrote some of his most devastating articles as he pounded Marshall day after day}

12. Besides the Redskins, what other major professional sports team did Jack Kent Cooke own at one point?

{Teams, I think. JKC owned both the La Lakers and the LA Kings. He was Canadian, and later said that "I counted the large number of ex-Canadians in LA and thought owning a hockey team would be great business...then learned that all the ex-Canadians had moved to LA to get away from ice hockey!"}

This is a tough set of questions without looking them up. Partial answer, therefore.

welch wrote:...and I had forgotten that Ernest Byner was driven out of Cleveland after that fumble. I always thought that the Browns would have given the Redskins a tougher game in SB 22. The rest of the AFC was absorbed in finesse football, fancy passers. Only the Browns could have stood against a smash-mouth NFC team.

Went on for years like that.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:You old timers know we are trying to get the Redskins history thread packed full of information right??
... But seriously, its a good chance to provide pics, stories, thoughts, hell even trivia to us young (and dumb) bucks. I think the very least you BOTH could do, is gush about your avatars!