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It's a bit of a shame, really - this guy may actually be one of the 'brighter' Browns' fans :shock:

how can you have even a partly serious discussion with someone that clearly shows he's not that capable

I have no issue with a Browns fan thinking they will win this game ... BUT ... to base that on anything that has happened in the past or ANYTHING that has NOTHING to do with what happens on the field this Sunday is just STUPID

I think the game is 'decided' by the Redskins - no matter what the Browns players and coaches do - the Redskins will win this game by eliminating silly penalties and by just playing at the same level and with the same intensity they've shown the past 4 games

The Browns are playing well but they're not winning this game no matter how well they play

IMO - The Redskins decide the outcome NOT the Browns




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the correct term is "trivia" ... from the word 'trivial' ... kind of like the Browns pursuit of a title :lol:
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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DOGSRBACK wrote:1. What is the all time regular season head to head record Browns vs. Redskins?

{Probably very one-sided in favor of the Browns. Paul Brown's team joined the NFL with a more advanced offense than anyone had seen; at the same time, the Redskins were slipping down and farther down as GP Marshall's ego tried to prove that he could out-manage George Halas, and then, in the '50s, Marshall decided to make the Redskins the team of segregation. Changed the fight song from "Fight for old DC" to "fight for old Dixie"...which doesn't even sing well. The Browns moved to the AFC, along with the Steelers and Colts, just as the Redskins became very good: about 1971. Would not have faced each other often}


2. What is the Redskins all time postseason record vs. Cleveland teams?

{Can't remember that the teams ever played in post-season}

3. Name the 5 players that also at some point played for the Browns that have made the Pro Bowl as a member of the Washington Redskins.

{Bobby Mitchell. Everyone else is a midget compared to Mitchell. Some Browns, such as Frank Ryan, played out the end of their careers wuith the Redskins. I think Ryan was the backup for Sonny Jurgensen in the late '60s. Dick Modzelewski, brother of Ed "Big Mo", started as a lineman for the Redskins but was sent to the Giants, where he became all-pro...maybe Hall of Fame..."Little Mo" played beside Roosevelt Grier, and made the Giants defense very tough}


4. What 2 Redskins first round draft choices played at some point with the Cleveland Browns?

{Don't know, but I'll take a wild guess: Ralph Guglielmi and Pat Richter}

5. During a certain era of their history the Redskins became known as the "Over the Hill Gang" because they would trade their high draft picks for veterans. How many years in this era did the Redskins go without ever selecting in the first round of the NFL draft?

{Next first round draft pick was Art Monk, taken in 1980. George Allen continued to trade first rounders even after the Over the Hill Gang retired. This got him Joe Theisman and Dave Butz...shrewd decisions. Bobby Beathard continued after Allen left to coach the Rams}



6. From 1946 to 1962 the Washington Redskins held their training camp at a college attended by a future occupant of the most famous address in that city....and which school was also the alma mater of a Vice Presidential Candidate (who didn't make it) that played in the NFL. What was the school and who were the two men involved here that went there?

{The Redskins trained for many years at Carlisle "Indian School", home of Jim Thorpe. No idea of VP candidates, but Jim Thorpe is thought to have been among the greatest athletes of all time.}



7. In 1963 the Redskins moved from the above school and from then til 1994 they trained at the school that was attended by one of the founding fathers of the National Football League. Where was this school?

{OK...maybe this was Carlisle}



8. What were the Washington Redskins originally named?

{Boston Braves...named to remind Bostonians of the baseball team now playing in Atlanta, and probably a reference to the "indian" disguises that the Liberty Boys wore as they dumped tea in Boston Harbor in 1773.}


9. Vince Lombardi was not the only ex-Packers coach to be the HC of the Redskins. What other former Packer coach went on to coach the Skins?

{Curly Lambeau. Did not last long, since Lambeau could not tolerate GP Marshall's interference. Or you could say that Marshall could not tolerate a strong-minded coach}

10. Who did Vince Lombardi replace as the HC of the Redskins?

{"Toot", the great QB, passing strategist, and HC who decided that fans didn't want to see defense or a running offense. Moved rookie-of-the-year RB and all-pro Charley Taylor to WR, paired off with Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith at TE. Taylor was 6-4, 217 pounds, fastest player on the team, and a dazzling cut-back runner with great hands. With Sonny J passing, it was like the invention of nuclear weapons. If only Toot -- anagram of "Otto" -- had built a Paul Brown running attack and defense]}

11. The Redskins, true to the racist nature of their owner George Preston Marshall, were the last NFL team to integrate. How finally did this integration come about....against the will of Marshall.

{Interior Secretary Stewart Udall told Marshall that his team could not use the new DC Stadium (now named RFK) if they remained a segretated business. Since DC had no home-rule then, the US Government had built the stadium and owned it. Meanwhile, Marshall's friend, Edward Bennett Williams, a liberal, had pushed Marshall to drop the color barrier. Marshall dallied around, at one point claiming that he would have swung a trade for Bobby Mitchell except that the Browns (maybe Modell owned them by then?), evil people, had refused the Redskins fine offer of MC Reynolds...the Redskins' third-string QB. Shirley Povich wrote some of his most devastating articles as he pounded Marshall day after day}

12. Besides the Redskins, what other major professional sports team did Jack Kent Cooke own at one point?

{Teams, I think. JKC owned both the La Lakers and the LA Kings. He was Canadian, and later said that "I counted the large number of ex-Canadians in LA and thought owning a hockey team would be great business...then learned that all the ex-Canadians had moved to LA to get away from ice hockey!"}



This is a tough set of questions without looking them up. Partial answer, therefore.
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Guys, it's a Browns fan, like all dieses it'll die out.
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Hey, I don't mind as long as they guy is polite. The Cleveland Rams question was a good one...I'd forgotten about them. I think Bob Waterfield was their QB, and later because famous with the LA Rams.

As long as this guy is not insulting, I am happy to remember Bobby Mitchell's first game AGAINST the Browns. There is a youtube of Mitchell's catch-and-run...well worth watching.
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welch wrote:
DOGSRBACK wrote:1. What is the all time regular season head to head record Browns vs. Redskins?

{Probably very one-sided in favor of the Browns. Paul Brown's team joined the NFL with a more advanced offense than anyone had seen; at the same time, the Redskins were slipping down and farther down as GP Marshall's ego tried to prove that he could out-manage George Halas, and then, in the '50s, Marshall decided to make the Redskins the team of segregation. Changed the fight song from "Fight for old DC" to "fight for old Dixie"...which doesn't even sing well. The Browns moved to the AFC, along with the Steelers and Colts, just as the Redskins became very good: about 1971. Would not have faced each other often}


2. What is the Redskins all time postseason record vs. Cleveland teams?

{Can't remember that the teams ever played in post-season}

3. Name the 5 players that also at some point played for the Browns that have made the Pro Bowl as a member of the Washington Redskins.

{Bobby Mitchell. Everyone else is a midget compared to Mitchell. Some Browns, such as Frank Ryan, played out the end of their careers wuith the Redskins. I think Ryan was the backup for Sonny Jurgensen in the late '60s. Dick Modzelewski, brother of Ed "Big Mo", started as a lineman for the Redskins but was sent to the Giants, where he became all-pro...maybe Hall of Fame..."Little Mo" played beside Roosevelt Grier, and made the Giants defense very tough}


4. What 2 Redskins first round draft choices played at some point with the Cleveland Browns?

{Don't know, but I'll take a wild guess: Ralph Guglielmi and Pat Richter}

Ernie Davis could have counted if he hadn't died. The other 1st round draft choice that played for the Brownies was Kenard Lang.

5. During a certain era of their history the Redskins became known as the "Over the Hill Gang" because they would trade their high draft picks for veterans. How many years in this era did the Redskins go without ever selecting in the first round of the NFL draft?

{Next first round draft pick was Art Monk, taken in 1980. George Allen continued to trade first rounders even after the Over the Hill Gang retired. This got him Joe Theisman and Dave Butz...shrewd decisions. Bobby Beathard continued after Allen left to coach the Rams}



6. From 1946 to 1962 the Washington Redskins held their training camp at a college attended by a future occupant of the most famous address in that city....and which school was also the alma mater of a Vice Presidential Candidate (who didn't make it) that played in the NFL. What was the school and who were the two men involved here that went there?

{The Redskins trained for many years at Carlisle "Indian School", home of Jim Thorpe. No idea of VP candidates, but Jim Thorpe is thought to have been among the greatest athletes of all time.}



7. In 1963 the Redskins moved from the above school and from then til 1994 they trained at the school that was attended by one of the founding fathers of the National Football League. Where was this school?

{OK...maybe this was Carlisle}



8. What were the Washington Redskins originally named?

{Boston Braves...named to remind Bostonians of the baseball team now playing in Atlanta, and probably a reference to the "indian" disguises that the Liberty Boys wore as they dumped tea in Boston Harbor in 1773.}


9. Vince Lombardi was not the only ex-Packers coach to be the HC of the Redskins. What other former Packer coach went on to coach the Skins?

{Curly Lambeau. Did not last long, since Lambeau could not tolerate GP Marshall's interference. Or you could say that Marshall could not tolerate a strong-minded coach}

10. Who did Vince Lombardi replace as the HC of the Redskins?

{"Toot", the great QB, passing strategist, and HC who decided that fans didn't want to see defense or a running offense. Moved rookie-of-the-year RB and all-pro Charley Taylor to WR, paired off with Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith at TE. Taylor was 6-4, 217 pounds, fastest player on the team, and a dazzling cut-back runner with great hands. With Sonny J passing, it was like the invention of nuclear weapons. If only Toot -- anagram of "Otto" -- had built a Paul Brown running attack and defense]}

11. The Redskins, true to the racist nature of their owner George Preston Marshall, were the last NFL team to integrate. How finally did this integration come about....against the will of Marshall.

{Interior Secretary Stewart Udall told Marshall that his team could not use the new DC Stadium (now named RFK) if they remained a segretated business. Since DC had no home-rule then, the US Government had built the stadium and owned it. Meanwhile, Marshall's friend, Edward Bennett Williams, a liberal, had pushed Marshall to drop the color barrier. Marshall dallied around, at one point claiming that he would have swung a trade for Bobby Mitchell except that the Browns (maybe Modell owned them by then?), evil people, had refused the Redskins fine offer of MC Reynolds...the Redskins' third-string QB. Shirley Povich wrote some of his most devastating articles as he pounded Marshall day after day}

12. Besides the Redskins, what other major professional sports team did Jack Kent Cooke own at one point?

{Teams, I think. JKC owned both the La Lakers and the LA Kings. He was Canadian, and later said that "I counted the large number of ex-Canadians in LA and thought owning a hockey team would be great business...then learned that all the ex-Canadians had moved to LA to get away from ice hockey!"}



This is a tough set of questions without looking them up. Partial answer, therefore.
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...and I had forgotten that Ernest Byner was driven out of Cleveland after that fumble. I always thought that the Browns would have given the Redskins a tougher game in SB 22. The rest of the AFC was absorbed in finesse football, fancy passers. Only the Browns could have stood against a smash-mouth NFC team.

Went on for years like that.
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welch wrote:...and I had forgotten that Ernest Byner was driven out of Cleveland after that fumble. I always thought that the Browns would have given the Redskins a tougher game in SB 22. The rest of the AFC was absorbed in finesse football, fancy passers. Only the Browns could have stood against a smash-mouth NFC team.

Went on for years like that.


4. What 2 Redskins first round draft choices played at some point with the Cleveland Browns?

{Don't know, but I'll take a wild guess: Ralph Guglielmi and Pat Richter}

Ernie Davis could have counted if he hadn't died. The other 1st round draft choice that played for the Brownies was Kenard Lang.

And the trade to the Brownies was how Bo Mitch ended being a Redskin.
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You old timers know we are trying to get the Redskins history thread packed full of information right??
... But seriously, its a good chance to provide pics, stories, thoughts, hell even trivia to us young (and dumb) bucks. I think the very least you BOTH could do, is gush about your avatars!
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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:You old timers know we are trying to get the Redskins history thread packed full of information right??
... But seriously, its a good chance to provide pics, stories, thoughts, hell even trivia to us young (and dumb) bucks. I think the very least you BOTH could do, is gush about your avatars!


Be glad to. I created my Avatar from old Gameday programs that my father used to to me when I was in the Air Force stationed in Taiwan from '70- '72. I took photos from the programs to a local artist and had him create an oil painting from them as I had it laid out. I had to describe the uniform colors for him. The Avatar you see is a photo of the actual oil paiting that hangs in my house today, some 40 years later. It may be difficult to tell, but from the upper left corner is Charley Taylor, bottom left corner is Larry Brown, the bottom right corner is Jerry Smith, and of course, our beloved, infamous #9, Sonny Jurgensen, in the middle.
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Excellent back story! Awesome piece of art to have, and what a great job they did!
Now go to the history thread and tell me a little about each player... It's kinda your responsibility isnt it? If I don't.know much about them, then how am I to teach my son about them?!
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Start with Sonny.

Taylor was a first round pick the season the Skins also drafted Paul Krause. Both in the Hall of Fame. Taylor was ROY as a runner, but also caught about 45 passes.

Converted to WR by Otto Graham (called "Toot" by his players...anagram of "Otto") midway through the '66 season, he might have led the league in receptions in just that half-season. Graham didn't care about running the ball, but his passing attack was a predecessor to the "west coast offense". One difference is that the 49ers never had a set of receivers like Charley Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, and Taylor. Yes, Jerry Rice was g=good, and became famous, but he hardly ever got his uniform dirty. Taylor was a top-rated college player in the last days of two-way football. Could have been a safety, a running back, or a WR.

Taylor was about 6-3 and was listed at 217 pounds...the popular back-field in those days was the "twin big back" formation, based on Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung at Green Bay. Charley Taylor was the "slightly smaller" fullback in the Skins version of the GB formation, but he was also the fastest player on the team. Accustomed to being hit and to blocking, he had great hands as well.

Bobby Mitchell was one of the star half-backs of the late '50s, a guy with speed and moves that shook defenders out of their shoes.

With Mitchell and Taylor both split, and with Sonny throwing it was almost unfair to defensive backs.

Except the Redskins had a tight end, Jerry Smith, who was almost as fast as Mitchell and Taylor, and who specialized in circus catches...the kind where he would leap toward a pile of defenders and catch the ball hanging upside down. Best pass-catching TE I have ever seen.

More on Larry Brown later. Watch Sonny play...the NFL Films video.
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