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SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

FLWSkin wrote:Being in the front office in the NFL is sometimes a very cut throat business. We don't "owe" Colley anything.

I agree with you on that, but we do owe ey a chance to be part of our SuperBowl run.

AND - I'm not sure how having ey on the roster is hurting us for the rest of this season


ey has earned a rep for being a clutch player and he plays every down with desire - we should be so lucky

And he's a core Redskin, unlike this Colley guy FLWSkin says we don't owe anything.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

FLWSkin wrote:Being in the front office in the NFL is sometimes a very cut throat business. We don't "owe" Colley anything.

I agree with you on that, but we do owe ey a chance to be part of our SuperBowl run.

AND - I'm not sure how having ey on the roster is hurting us for the rest of this season


ey has earned a rep for being a clutch player and he plays every down with desire - we should be so lucky

And he's a core Redskin, unlike this Colley guy FLWSkin says we don't owe anything.

Sorry if my mistyping of a letter upset you. I have just never felt players are "owed" anything. They are very well overpaid for their services. It doesn't matter if he is a so-called "core Redskin", if he can't play anymore, which it is obvious ey can't, then he shouldn't be on the team. Now I get that he is here because he knows the system and that is about the only reason. I also know the only reason he is on the team is because Davis is hurt. Riggo was a core Redskin too and he was cut. So were all of them. That is the nature of the game.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

FLWSkin wrote:Being in the front office in the NFL is sometimes a very cut throat business. We don't "owe" Colley anything.

I agree with you on that, but we do owe ey a chance to be part of our SuperBowl run.

AND - I'm not sure how having ey on the roster is hurting us for the rest of this season


ey has earned a rep for being a clutch player and he plays every down with desire - we should be so lucky

And he's a core Redskin, unlike this Colley guy FLWSkin says we don't owe anything.

Sorry if my mistyping of a letter upset you. I have just never felt players are "owed" anything. They are very well overpaid for their services. It doesn't matter if he is a so-called "core Redskin", if he can't play anymore, which it is obvious ey can't, then he shouldn't be on the team. Now I get that he is here because he knows the system and that is about the only reason. I also know the only reason he is on the team is because Davis is hurt. Riggo was a core Redskin too and he was cut. So were all of them. That is the nature of the game.

FLWSkin wrote:Sorry if my mistyping of a letter upset you.

Yes, I am incredibly upset by your lack of typing skill. I might just quit this board, and never come back.

FLWSkin wrote:It doesn't matter if he is a so-called "core Redskin", if he can't play anymore, which it is obvious ey can't, then he shouldn't be on the team. Now I get that he is here because he knows the system and that is about the only reason. I also know the only reason he is on the team is because Davis is hurt.

I don't think that's as obvious as you do, since he's currently on the team. And another reason he is on the team, is because he refused to play anywhere else. It doesn't get more core than that. So, obviously (to me and the team, anyway) it does matter.

Deadskins wrote:

FLWSkin wrote:Sorry if my mistyping of a letter upset you.

Yes, I am incredibly upset by your lack of typing skill. I might just quit this board, and never come back.

FLWSkin wrote:It doesn't matter if he is a so-called "core Redskin", if he can't play anymore, which it is obvious ey can't, then he shouldn't be on the team. Now I get that he is here because he knows the system and that is about the only reason. I also know the only reason he is on the team is because Davis is hurt.

I don't think that's as obvious as you do, since he's currently on the team. And another reason he is on the team, is because he refused to play anywhere else. It doesn't get more core than that. So, obviously (to me and the team, anyway) it does matter.

What teams did he refuse to play for?

ATX_Skins wrote:What teams did he refuse to play for?

All the others.

Seriously though, he got offers from five or six teams, and he turned them all down.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

fleetus wrote:Now that Garcon is back in the starting lineup, I hope we can end those completely ineffective plays where Banks shifts to the backfield. Has Banks made it past the line of scrimmage once?

I'm also tired of seeing Banks making poor KR/PR decisions, including running the PR out of the end zone this week and being stuffed inside the 10. These poor decisions plus his fumbles have far outweighed the few returns he has broken for significant yardage.

Nothing against Paulsen but I'd like to see ey get a few touches. He's made some nice blocks, but with his hands I would think he'd be a great outlet receiver for RG3.

As slow as ey is now, what makes you think he is a better option than Paulsen?? You do realize that Paulsen is bigger, faster and stronger than ey right? I think we should let ey go, he has done nothing to warrant playing time and is still SLOW AS MOLASSES GOING UP HILL IN DECEMBER......Captain Chaos is long dead.........

Not saying ey should replace Paulsen, but a few touches would make some sense. ey has sure hands. Paulsen has had some drops, some penalties too. ey has enough experience they should let him slide out into the flats every once in a while.

Banks continues to be totally ineffective. I think Niles Paul might be worth a look as KR.

If ey could do better I'm sure they would have him in there. Paulsen had a bad night, but even on a bad night I think he's better.

Agreed about the Banks thing.

ATX_Skins wrote:If ey could do better I'm sure they would have him in there. Paulsen had a bad night, but even on a bad night I think he's better.

Agreed about the Banks thing.

Maybe he's just getting back into "football shape"... He was a lead blocker on one run last night, and I for one am glad to see him. With the dropsies from paulson, I don't see how he wouldnt get increased playing time.

ATX_Skins wrote:If ey could do better I'm sure they would have him in there. Paulsen had a bad night, but even on a bad night I think he's better.

Agreed about the Banks thing.

I'm not sure what is going on with ey:
- He's been back with the team for well over a month now so he should be in game shape.
- He had 77 receptions just 2 years ago.
- ey is only 30 yrs old. It's not like he's 33 or 35. After all, currently the 2 leading TE receivers are 30 and 36 years old.

Paulsen has not played particularly well as of late. Since Davis went down, KS has used the TE more as a blocker and not as a receiver which may be why Paulsen is still in there. That said, if ey was even 80% of what he was in 2010, I think he can contribute --- although he may not have the confidence he once had and if this is true, it's not the time to test this. We are in a playoff race and don't have the luxury of "seeing what happens". We need to know what we are going to get.

Regardless, I would love to know what ey has left in the tank because I think it's more than most think.

He's only been targeted twice. I think it's more a Kyle thing than ey not being up to the job. I've repeatedly heard RGIII say he wants to throw it to him.

I'll say that I think Kyle and mike have kept some things 'under wraps' ...

I think we'll see 'clutch' make some plays for this offense in the next few weeks ...


btw - after all the drops we saw in the Steelers game there have been a number of clutch pass receptions made here the past few weeks

and

Morris has been a beast getting big time yards ... his first run after he put the ballon the ground last week was a sure sign that he really wanted to atone for that ...

this is going to be a fun game against the Ravens

We're keeping ey fresh for the playoffs.

FLWSkin wrote:Being in the front office in the NFL is sometimes a very cut throat business. We don't "owe" Colley anything.

Thank you FLWSkin this crazy bandwagon crap is nuts. Chris ey WAS good but he isn't anymore. People need to understand that. I understand he was a fan favorite, but if you don't have enough speed to outrun a defensive tackle you can't get open, so you don't make catches. Some fools on here must think he is another Tony Gonzales......SMH!!!

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

FLWSkin wrote:Being in the front office in the NFL is sometimes a very cut throat business. We don't "owe" Colley anything.

Thank you FLWSkin this crazy bandwagon crap is nuts. Chris ey WAS good but he isn't anymore. People need to understand that. I understand he was a fan favorite, but if you don't have enough speed to outrun a defensive tackle you can't get open, so you don't make catches. Some fools on here must think he is another Tony Gonzales......SMH!!!

We'll talk again when he makes a clutch catch that wins us a must win game over the next several weeks.

IMO - most here are NOT thinking that ey is 'owed' anything OR that he's something "special" as a player

actually, I think that most here just hope that ey gets an opportunity to show that he can contribute to the offense

Chris ey is one of those players that have lost a step but still plays the game with a lot of desire to be able to help - I doubt that ey thinks he's a force anymore but I'm sure that he and the other players & coaches are aware of how 'effective' he can be if he ever gets the chance to contribute

I doubt that we've seen the last of this player - I'm hoping that he'll give us another great 'clutch play' in the coming weeks

SkinsJock wrote:IMO - most here are NOT thinking that ey is 'owed' anything OR that he's something "special" as a player

actually, I think that most here just hope that ey gets an opportunity to show that he can contribute to the offense

Chris ey is one of those players that have lost a step but still plays the game with a lot of desire to be able to help - I doubt that ey thinks he's a force anymore but I'm sure that he and the other players & coaches are aware of how 'effective' he can be if he ever gets the chance to contribute

I doubt that we've seen the last of this player - I'm hoping that he'll give us another great 'clutch play' in the coming weeks

I agree to a point, however IMO one must ask themselves one question, going back to the preseason, what has ey shown? When placed as FB or TE did he show any separation in going out for a pass? Did he make any good block as a FB? What I saw was a player past his prime that was so slow he couldn't even get out of his own way. Chris used to be one of my favorite players but man when you lose it you lose it quickly. The same for London Fletcher, last year he was a MONSTER, this year he barely looks like the same player, he is lost in coverage and surely has lost 2 steps. Bennett was killing him all game, and why they stopped throwing to him was crazy. London can't cover anymore and is quickly becoming a big liability in coverage........

^^ you make it sound like neither player should be a part of what is happening here

you're making it out like we have better choices at both positions ...

I'm not sure either player will be a part of this roster next season but they are a part of this roster, this season and they are a part of a roster that is playing MEANINGFUL games in December

this is a team game and everyone has to play a part - ey and Fletcher are a part of that

Both players have lost a step - no doubt about it ... but both are a lot better than you are giving them credit for

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

FLWSkin wrote:Being in the front office in the NFL is sometimes a very cut throat business. We don't "owe" Colley anything.

Thank you FLWSkin this crazy bandwagon crap is nuts. Chris ey WAS good but he isn't anymore. People need to understand that. I understand he was a fan favorite, but if you don't have enough speed to outrun a defensive tackle you can't get open, so you don't make catches. Some fools on here must think he is another Tony Gonzales......SMH!!!

I agree that we do not owe ey a thing. If a player is done, you need to cut him. That is what the good teams do. ey isn't Monk or Green. He isn't even Rypien and he got thrown out 1.5 seasons after his shoulder injury in the pro bowl.

First, I have never considered ey one of my "favorites" -- at all -- but there is no denying he was a quality TE (and is on a team that needs one) and has not technically reached the "regression" age for a TE.

That said, I am VERY curious how you KNOW that ey is "not good anymore". Are you at practice daily or are you just judging by what you have see on the field??? --- which I KNOW is not enough to formulate an opinion (this coming from someone who doesn't need much to formulate an opinion). After all, he was in on only 5 offensive plays (out of 54) last week.....

Regarding ey's inability to out-run a DT: ey has never been very fast, but that is taking it WAY to far. Besides, he was able to out-run DTs when he was playing and we haven't seen him make a catch this year, so I'm not sure how you can make this determination.

So, lets make some conclusions about ey that can actually be supported by facts. Sorry, but wording a complete opinion as if it is a fact doesn't it make it so. None of your conclusions can be verified.

That said, I don't think it is out of the question to say ey has lost a step or perhaps that his 2010 injury was more permanent than most thought. Those are things that are accurate (or at least have the possibility of being true). But I think we actually need something verifiable before we can write off the Skins all-time TE receiptions leader. I also would LOVE to know eys relationship with MS/KS...

SkinsJock wrote:^^ you make it sound like neither player should be a part of what is happening here

you're making it out like we have better choices at both positions ...

I'm not sure either player will be a part of this roster next season but they are a part of this roster, this season and they are a part of a roster that is playing MEANINGFUL games in December

this is a team game and everyone has to play a part - ey and Fletcher are a part of that

Both players have lost a step - no doubt about it ... but both are a lot better than you are giving them credit for

I don't think I am, this is just my thoughts regarding both ey and Fletcher, I do think that London should be out on obvious passing downs as I don't think he has the speed nor endurance needed. In regards to ey he has been back long enough that even when Paulsen is dropping passes, Niles Paul is dropping passes and Paulsen is holding ey still isn't seeing the field. I think that speaks VOLUMES, don't you??

DaSkinz Baby wrote:In regards to ey he has been back long enough that even when Paulsen is dropping passes, Niles Paul is dropping passes and Paulsen is holding ey still isn't seeing the field. I think that speaks VOLUMES, don't you??

Yes, but I don't agree with you about the volumes it speaks. You say the volumes are saying that ey doesn't have what it takes. I say they are saying that Kyle really wants to get Paulsen and Paul the playing time, even if they aren't necessarily tearing it up out there.

markshark84 wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

FLWSkin wrote:Being in the front office in the NFL is sometimes a very cut throat business. We don't "owe" Colley anything.

Thank you FLWSkin this crazy bandwagon crap is nuts. Chris ey WAS good but he isn't anymore. People need to understand that. I understand he was a fan favorite, but if you don't have enough speed to outrun a defensive tackle you can't get open, so you don't make catches. Some fools on here must think he is another Tony Gonzales......SMH!!!

I agree that we do not owe ey a thing. If a player is done, you need to cut him. That is what the good teams do. ey isn't Monk or Green. He isn't even Rypien and he got thrown out 1.5 seasons after his shoulder injury in the pro bowl.

First, I have never considered ey one of my "favorites" -- at all -- but there is no denying he was a quality TE (and is on a team that needs one) and has not technically reached the "regression" age for a TE.

That said, I am VERY curious how you KNOW that ey is "not good anymore". Are you at practice daily or are you just judging by what you have see on the field??? --- which I KNOW is not enough to formulate an opinion (this coming from someone who doesn't need much to formulate an opinion). After all, he was in on only 5 offensive plays (out of 54) last week.....

Regarding ey's inability to out-run a DT: ey has never been very fast, but that is taking it WAY to far. Besides, he was able to out-run DTs when he was playing and we haven't seen him make a catch this year, so I'm not sure how you can make this determination.

So, lets make some conclusions about ey that can actually be supported by facts. Sorry, but wording a complete opinion as if it is a fact doesn't it make it so. None of your conclusions can be verified.

That said, I don't think it is out of the question to say ey has lost a step or perhaps that his 2010 injury was more permanent than most thought. Those are things that are accurate (or at least have the possibility of being true). But I think we actually need something verifiable before we can write off the Skins all-time TE receiptions leader. I also would LOVE to know eys relationship with MS/KS...

My opinions on ey are from what I have seen since preseason, I also think that RG3 telling the public that he wants to throw to ey and ey STILL NOT GETTING ANY PLAYING TIME is surely making my opinion somewhat credible. Heck let's look at last Monday's game, we had Logan being called for holding, plus dropping passes, then let's look at Niles Paul who I think isn't a good Tight End either also drop a pass and he has pretty much has had dropsies all season has he not? I counted Chris in on one play, ONE PLAY and I understand it's not like the offense had many plays in the first half, however one must deduce that the lack of playing time Chris has received ESPECIALLY with the decrease in TE production would surely point to the fact that he simply doesn't have it, isn't trusted by the coaching staff and most likely was only brought back for the fans sake...........

Deadskins wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:In regards to ey he has been back long enough that even when Paulsen is dropping passes, Niles Paul is dropping passes and Paulsen is holding ey still isn't seeing the field. I think that speaks VOLUMES, don't you??

Yes, but I don't agree with you about the volumes it speaks. You say the volumes are saying that ey doesn't have what it takes. I say they are saying that Kyle really wants to get Paulsen and Paul the playing time, even if they aren't necessarily tearing it up out there.

Hmm checkmate, good point can't argue that one......

Deadskins wrote:Yes, but I don't agree with you about the volumes it speaks. You say the volumes are saying that ey doesn't have what it takes. I say they are saying that Kyle really wants to get Paulsen and Paul the playing time, even if they aren't necessarily tearing it up out there.

It definitely looks that way. I don't see how anyone could argue that ey doesn't have what it takes if we've never seen a ball thrown his way this season.

I think you're right that they're taking their lumps with Paulsen/Paul right now with their eyes on the future. Hopefully it pays off.

fleetus wrote:Now that Garcon is back in the starting lineup, I hope we can end those completely ineffective plays where Banks shifts to the backfield. Has Banks made it past the line of scrimmage once?

I'm also tired of seeing Banks making poor KR/PR decisions, including running the PR out of the end zone this week and being stuffed inside the 10. These poor decisions plus his fumbles have far outweighed the few returns he has broken for significant yardage.

Nothing against Paulsen but I'd like to see ey get a few touches. He's made some nice blocks, but with his hands I would think he'd be a great outlet receiver for RG3.

Garcon's success coincides IMO with this offense evolving to be VERY effective to the extent that the giants front 4 had no idea what was happening

Garcon is also a very good WR and obviously Kyle and RG3 take advantage of that

Banks OTOH has had his chances offensively and I doubt they use him much, if at all ...

I do think that we'll see ey help this offense before he leaves the team .. Chris still has some good plays in him and I'm sure Kyle will take advantage of his ability to help when the stuff hits the fan and you need Captain Clutch to do his thing