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The $18M 'hit' hurts .. no question

The Redskins now have really good people making decisions that have this franchise in decent shape - the 'progress' towards a much better franchise continues

SkinsJock wrote:The $18M 'hit' hurts .. no question

The Redskins now have really good people making decisions that have this franchise in decent shape - the 'progress' towards a much better franchise continues

In 2012 the Redskins had two players in the top five of highest paid salaries by position...

Trent Williams was number two among Tackles and D. Hall was number five among Cornerbacks.

Going into 2013 (after they re-work Hall's contract) the Redskins will be the only team with no players in the top nine at any position.

They have come a long way...

1niksder wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:The $18M 'hit' hurts .. no question

The Redskins now have really good people making decisions that have this franchise in decent shape - the 'progress' towards a much better franchise continues

In 2012 the Redskins had two players in the top five of highest paid salaries by position...

Trent Williams was number two among Tackles and D. Hall was number five among Cornerbacks.

Going into 2013 (after they re-work Hall's contract) the Redskins will be the only team with no players in the top nine at any position.

They have come a long way...

What about Trent? How will he go from #2, to not top nine?

His base salary will drop to $5M this season that's $6M less than what it was last season.

Thanks a lot for the clarification 1niksder, makes sense.

Wait, why does Trent's salary DROP?

ACW wrote:Wait, why does Trent's salary DROP?

The contract he signed paid him a $11M base last year, a $5M base in 2013, $7.5M in 2014, and $10.75M in 2015... also his reporting bonus increases each year going forward after 2013.

1niksder wrote:

ACW wrote:Wait, why does Trent's salary DROP?

The contract he signed paid him a $11M base last year, a $5M base in 2013, $7.5M in 2014, and $10.75M in 2015... also his reporting bonus increases each year going forward after 2013.

Thanks. Seems weird to me though.

ACW wrote:

1niksder wrote:

ACW wrote:Wait, why does Trent's salary DROP?

The contract he signed paid him a $11M base last year, a $5M base in 2013, $7.5M in 2014, and $10.75M in 2015... also his reporting bonus increases each year going forward after 2013.

Thanks. Seems weird to me though.

Signed when the big rookie paydays were known to be coming to a end, he got a six year deal worth $60M with a #3M signing bonus and a little over $36M of it guaranteed (about what he was paid over the last three years. That about 60% 0f the deal in the first three years, now they've got to cover the last 40% or so over the remaining three.

RGIII was drafted two years later and two spots higher... Left Tackles make good money but not QB money, yet Bob got a four year deal "only" worth $21.1M but the whole thing is guaranteed with a $13.8M signing bonus, and a increase in base salary every year with a 5th year option.

Trent also fired and replaced his agent in the middle of contract talks.

Looks like the cap will be $123.9M in 2013

Accounting for escalators (mostly Perry Riley) and the newly released cap number, by my figures. the Redskins current cap space is ... -$1,667,258

^^

just gotta love it - we are not in bad shape and actually could be in pretty good shape if 'things' go our way

then again ..... Mara and Godahell will surely try and ensure 'things' do NOT go our way

1niksder wrote:Looks like the cap will be $123.9M in 2013

Accounting for escalators (mostly Perry Riley) and the newly released cap number, by my figures. the Redskins current cap space is ... -$1,667,258

Good or bad?

I really wish we would restructure some folks contracts and quick like. Mainly these few:

D.Hall
Bowen
Cofield
Garcon (9+M this year)
Merriweather
Montgomery (doubt it here)
Josh Wilson (5+ M this year)

If we can recapture $1.5m from each player this year, that would free up $10.5m which would be huge for resigning guys and also bringing in a player or two.

frankcal20 wrote:I really wish we would restructure some folks contracts and quick like. Mainly these few:
D.Hall
Bowen
Cofield
Garcon (9+M this year)
Merriweather
Montgomery (doubt it here)
Josh Wilson (5+ M this year)
If we can recapture $1.5m from each player this year, that would free up $10.5m which would be huge for resigning guys and also bringing in a player or two.

I presume you're aware of this ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... cap-space/

no worries ...

Irn-Bru wrote:

1niksder wrote:Looks like the cap will be $123.9M in 2013

Accounting for escalators (mostly Perry Riley) and the newly released cap number, by my figures. the Redskins current cap space is ... -$1,667,258

Good or bad?

This is after the y eat the last $18M from cap gate... so I'll say BETTER

frankcal20 wrote:I really wish we would restructure some folks contracts and quick like. Mainly these few:

D.Hall
Bowen
Cofield
Garcon (9+M this year)
Merriweather
Montgomery (doubt it here)
Josh Wilson (5+ M this year)

If we can recapture $1.5m from each player this year, that would free up $10.5m which would be huge for resigning guys and also bringing in a player or two.

Once they start contract talks...

D. Hall is a must or he'll be released... if they released him today it would put them more than $6M under the cap. Same goes for Santana Moss (whom you didn't mention) releasing him would put them close to $1M under.

Bowen has almost $5M in unaccounted for pro-rations and a base salary of less than $4M. That's just pushing money into the future, Cofield has more unaccounted for $$$ than Bowen.

Garcon has a $8.2M cap hit and only $2.2M of his $11M bonus has been paid to the cap, maybe next year.

You get close with Merriweather, he could free up $1.45M if they re-work his deal.

Montgomery has about $1M in roster bonuses due over the next few years that they could play with but they just re-did his contract last year.

Josh Wilson's current deal has the potential to free up more cap space than Moss

They could look at Perry Riley, Trent Williams, Adam Carriker, and Orakpo as possible extentions along with Wilson, Moss (restructure or release), and Hall (restructure or release) to free up about $17M in space.

They would be adding years to the contracts of each one they re-work. Do they want to do that with Hall, Moss, and Carriker?

^^^ this is very informative ...

I appreciate the value of 'experience' ... but ...

I hope we continue to place a premium on younger and faster players - That's just my 2 Cents.

I believe we're one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Also, i'm curious if the cap figures that are posted include the $18m hit or if we need to recoup the $1m + $18m. That will REALLY SUCK!!!

frankcal20 wrote:I believe we're one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Also, i'm curious if the cap figures that are posted include the $18m hit or if we need to recoup the $1m + $18m. That will REALLY SUCK!!!

I believe that 'the man' has indicated the cap figure is AFTER the 'cap hit' ..

we are one of the youngest franchises and should work hard to get even younger and faster

SkinsJock wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I believe we're one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Also, i'm curious if the cap figures that are posted include the $18m hit or if we need to recoup the $1m + $18m. That will REALLY SUCK!!!

I believe that 'the man' has indicated the cap figure is AFTER the 'cap hit' ..

we are one of the youngest franchises and should work hard to get even younger and faster

What SJ said

Thanks for the breakdown, 1nik. Not a ton of room for us to improve, but we really aren't in terrible shape with the cap. Just need to be shrewd again this offseason and maybe get lucky in the draft again.

~WP

What Redskins have the biggest cap figures for 2013? The list is as follows. There’s no indication that all of these players are targets for restructuring or release, but here’s how the biggest salary cap hits stack up:

Wide receiver Pierre Garcon: $8.2 million
Cornerback DeAngelo Hall: $8 million
Tackle Trent Williams: $7.98 million
Nose tackle Barry Cofield: $6.3 million
Linebacker London Fletcher: $6.2 million
Wide receiver Santana Moss: $6.16 million
Defensive end Stephen Bowen: $5.5 million
Cornerback Josh Wilson: $5.3 million
Linebacker Brian Orakpo: $5.1 million
Wide receiver Josh Morgan: $5.1 million
Defensive end Adam Carriker: $4.75 million
Guard Chris Chester: $4.3 million
Safety Brandon Meriweather: $2.9 million
Center Will Montgomery: $2.65 million

So, which players would you either restructure, or part ways with? How does releasing some of these guys affect their cap hits?

Hall is the obvious choice. We get the full $8 mil back by cutting him.

Deadskins wrote:Hall is the obvious choice. We get the full $8 mil back by cutting him.

I've been parading about his release for some time now, but I can't help but wonder what he would be willing to restructure to.

Many here have speculated he could very well play better if we had a better SS & FS. Not so sure its worth the science experiment those with our money issues.

Thanks for the detailed posts everyone!! Things are definitely looking better for us than they were.

Hall shut dez Bryant down 1 on 1 that should keep him as a restructure candidate

Gibbs4Life wrote:Hall shut dez Bryant down 1 on 1 that should keep him as a restructure candidate

Honestly, that was the only time all season I had a shift in attitude towards Hall.

His consistency is questionable. If he plays all next year like he did against the Cowboys, I'd be feeling pretty good about him being on the roster.

I'd low ball him and add performance incentives in the contract. Just saying, we need every player to be on his best game.