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Here's the thing. Banks is on the team, primarily because of the threat he poses on special teams... he has been seen as a diamond in the rough by Shanahan for his potential as a wide receiver. That is a fact.

He has yet to really produce on the WR front... and appears to have stopped producing on the KR/PR front.

It doesn't take a genius to see that Banks is on a bubble that's getting thinner by the minute. He needs to rip of a few returns, and he needs to do it soon.

I am not a huge BB supporter either....seems his best plays are in the preseason. I also dont get the decoy argument....to be a true decoy, seems to me that player would have to strike fear in the other team. Garcon, for example, makes a good decoy because he has actually made plays in the regular season so the other team has to be aware of where he is. BB, on the other hand, has really done little to give other teams pause (this season).

And, as others have mentioned, we were lucky that the bad decision to bring the punt put of the end zone vs dullass did not cost us. This is not the first time he has made a questionable decision on a return either.

He is on the team for the remainder of the season. I hold him no personal ill will....but I just dont see his expected impact thusfar. Maybe it will come soon. If not, then he may not be wearing B&G next season....

Red_One43 wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Red... I'm happy to see you're acknowledging both sides of the debate. I know you're a fan of Banks', but remaining objective is nice to see around here.

My posting of Keim's position on this current discussion is consistent with my posting of Keim's position (which reflected your opinion) during the earlier debate on whether Banks should make the team Your insinuation that I am now acknowledging both sides is in fact, erroneous. The fact is in the prior posting pudding.

Damn... ... thanks for the good laugh...

I NEVER said that "now" you're acknowledging both sides of the debate. The word "now" doesn't exist in my comments. YOU added the word "now."

I know you previously acknowledged both sides in the prior debate. I was merely applauding you for doing it again and staying consistent. But hey... feel free to add your own words to my posts to change its intent and meaning. Rather clever...

There's a big difference between our sides of the debate, and I think Countertrey has eluded to it several times. Our side of the debate is based off tangible evidence witnessed on the field. You keep talking about "potential," or an unseen force with no tangible proof to date. Banks "may" be able to do all those positive things you and others talk about, but nobody has witnessed it yet. What we have witnessed, both in preseason and in the regular season, is extremely poor performance both as a WR and a punt/kick returner. That is fact, and the numbers I posted bear that out.

We all know Banks made the team when many fans and members of the media thought he wouldn't. And I believe most are willing to give Shanahan the benefit of the doubt. We're just still waiting to see it, and it's not like Shanahan hasn't given Banks his opportunities. I think the jury is still out on Banks. I don't believe one option pass last year and one 1st down this year offers sufficient evidence of potential or "what he can do."

ATX_Skins wrote:I am bringing the Banks debate back to life. I want him gone. He is awful.

Enough of the speed kills crap this guy is not only a liability he's a terrible returner.

I agree. After our preseason I thought he was going to be basically a useless addition to the team. Twelve weeks in, I think he's not merely useless but actually a liability.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Red... I'm happy to see you're acknowledging both sides of the debate. I know you're a fan of Banks', but remaining objective is nice to see around here.

My posting of Keim's position on this current discussion is consistent with my posting of Keim's position (which reflected your opinion) during the earlier debate on whether Banks should make the team Your insinuation that I am now acknowledging both sides is in fact, erroneous. The fact is in the prior posting pudding.

Damn... ... thanks for the good laugh...

I NEVER said that "now" you're acknowledging both sides of the debate. The word "now" doesn't exist in my comments. YOU added the word "now."

I know you previously acknowledged both sides in the prior debate. I was merely applauding you for doing it again and staying consistent. But hey... feel free to add your own words to my posts to change its intent and meaning. Rather clever...

There's a big difference between our sides of the debate, and I think Countertrey has eluded to it several times. Our side of the debate is based off tangible evidence witnessed on the field. You keep talking about "potential," or an unseen force with no tangible proof to date. Banks "may" be able to do all those positive things you and others talk about, but nobody has witnessed it yet. What we have witnessed, both in preseason and in the regular season, is extremely poor performance both as a WR and a punt/kick returner. That is fact, and the numbers I posted bear that out.

We all know Banks made the team when many fans and members of the media thought he wouldn't. And I believe most are willing to give Shanahan the benefit of the doubt. We're just still waiting to see it, and it's not like Shanahan hasn't given Banks his opportunities. I think the jury is still out on Banks. I don't believe one option pass last year and one 1st down this year offers sufficient evidence of potential or "what he can do."

Our side of the debate is based off tangible evidence witnessed on the field.

"Our" side of the debate? "Our" side...

What renewed this debate was ATX saying I want him gone.

So who is "our" side? I like being on Shanny's side as far as keeping him goes.

You keep talking about "potential," or an unseen force with no tangible proof to date.

I'll tell you this, Shanny must be seeing that same unseen force called "potential" since he continues to let Banks return kicks after his producing not much at all. He still has him taking snaps out of the backfield even though he hasn't done much at all.

Hey, that's another tangible for you. As of the Dallas game, Shanny still has Banks as his kick returner and he is still taking snaps out of the backfield.

What we have witnessed, both in preseason and in the regular season, is extremely poor performance both as a WR and a punt/kick returner. That is fact, and the numbers I posted bear that out.

Yeah, the numbers are a fact. Now let me give you another fact. Shanny witnessed the same preseason and regular season perfromance as "we" did and yet - Banks still made the team and is still returning kicks. And you want to talk about tangible evidence.

There is nothing in my posts that said that Banks had a good showing at wide out in the preseason and as a kick returner this season. I know that you love to say that you didn't say something and that is good and fine, but you certainly love to insinuate stuff.

Now, for the record and you can check me for consistency:

I do not believe that Banks should be gone as ATX brought up on this latest editon of the Banks debate.

I do recognize that he is on a short leash. Afterall, I posted the comments by Shanny about the fumbling.

I do think that he should be sat down as the primary kick returner in favor of Paul or Crawford for a game to try to get his mojo back.

I do believe that Shanny should continue to devise ways for Banks to get the ball from scrimmage. The option pass was brilliant, I bet Shanny has another brilliant play in the works.

I NEVER said that "now" you're acknowledging both sides of the debate. The word "now" doesn't exist in my comments. YOU added the word "now."

Of course you didn't use the word "now." Glad that YOU figured out that I added it. If you had remembered to add the word "again" as you claim you were merely doing, I wouldn't have added "now."

I'm happy to see you're acknowledging both sides of the debate. I know you're a fan of Banks', but remaining objective is nice to see around here.

I was merely applauding you for doing it again and staying consistent

Nice try guy! Just by making those statement tells your intentions. My posting what you want has you "happy?" Get real! Next time, try this, "you're acknowledging both sides again," when you are applauding. It might be more believeable.

I agree with both sides this one. If Banks continues to struggle and eventually hurts the team. Then a switch has to be made. However I do want to give him a little more time because I believe if he gets it together we will have a weapon on special teams.

Special teams coach may need to go as well. I believe we have had two punts being blocked on the offensive side as well. So I am all for a change at Special teams coaching if no improvement is made.

The fact remains that Brandon isn't used correctly or enough. The best time to use a player that small and that fast is either in games like the Steelers when the field conditions are bad, or on turf. All this dude needs is an opening and who will catch him. I have seen him warm up and he can catch. Seems to me that just like RG3 Kyle should be smart enough to put some plays in just for Banks. I bet Sean Payton would love to him...and I bet if that was ever to happen everyone on this board complaining that he needs to get cut would be back on here upset we let him go.............SMDH!!!

He's got to go now right? RIGHT?!

I saw him last night go every direction except forward.

ATX_Skins wrote:He's got to go now right? RIGHT?!

I saw him last night go every direction except forward.

I don't know if the problem is Banks or Smith. What is Thrash doing these days?

ATX_Skins wrote:He's got to go now right? RIGHT?!

I saw him last night go every direction except forward.

I think it's pretty clear the coaches have given up on him. No involvement on offense anymore. With Garcon back and with just a few weeks left to play, there's probably no point in cutting him now. But I'd be willing to bet he's among our pre-draft personnel moves this offseason.

I loved Niles Paul's kickoff return. Best return we've had in at least a month, if not more.

And has anyone noticed that in the last couple of weeks our two best returns were Robinson and Paul(last night) who just ran the ball FORWARD?

Exactly, at this point banks should throw on a polo and carry a gatorade bottle onto field during timeouts.

The Brandon Banks hate comes and goes in cycles. If he beats the Ravens on a return TD, then people will have to dab the foam from their angry mouths until he has another dropoff. LOL

Seriously though, I don't know what games people watch, but he has NOWHERE to run. The bad decisions are on him, but I think he's just tired of having nowhere to go.

This is not all on him. We know what he can do. The better question is who replaces him? People always want to bench a guy but have no real idea of who replaces him.

The Hogster wrote:The Brandon Banks hate comes and goes in cycles. If he beats the Ravens on a return TD, then people will have to dab the foam from their angry mouths until he has another lul. LOL

Duuuuuude, we hear this from board members every week... He can't even get past the 15 from the goal line.

Not hate, just think we have other guys who can do better. When was the last time Banks took it to the house?

People argued against him even making the team! He's a lightning rod.

But to FLWSkin's point. Devin Hester went 2 years between return TDs. Chill people.

The same logic applies to Banks as Gano. For some reason fans loved Gano, even though he sucked. For some reason, fans hate Banks, even though he's broken many long returns including some for TDs.

Give him time.

The "some reason" is that all he does is dance around and run sideways and doesn't really help us. We have better returns when someone else gets it and runs straight up the field. Why should we wait for Banks to do something just to show he can?

The Hogster wrote:The same logic applies to Banks as Gano. For some reason fans loved Gano, even though he sucked. For some reason, fans hate Banks, even though he's broken many long returns including some for TDs.

Give him time.

He's had time, too much time in my opinion. He's getting worse by the week.

If he wasn't the best we have, Mike Shanahan would not have him back there. You folks need to chill.

He gives us the best chance to go the distance. Nobody will gain yards with 8 guys in your face. Coaches see what fans don't.

The Hogster wrote:The same logic applies to Banks as Gano. For some reason fans loved Gano, even though he sucked. For some reason, fans hate Banks, even though he's broken many long returns including some for TDs.

Give him time.

Close. For some reason people love Banks even though he sucks.

Like Gano's big leg, Banks can take it all the way. In the meantime we watch him bring it out repeatedly for a negative play. No blocking for Banks is much like no blocking for Gano and the flat out misses by Gano are like Banks making dumb decisions in the endznoe.

How many TDs does he have career? 1.

How many fumbles? 13.

How many inside-the-15 kickoff returns? Too many.

I do not hate Banks. I did not love Gano. Banks has not pulled his weight for a while. I'd consider Hall on punts and anyone else on kickoffs. Not sure who I'd bring up to take his roster spot - probably a pass rusher like Markus White.

We don't coach because we don't see what they can. It's ridiculous to blame returns on the return man without seeing the coverage. You don't see that watching the Tube.

The punt coverage isn't going to help anyone.. I'm not saying banks is doing any better, but you could see his anger last night in having no where to go. With the KO rule, a bigger body appears to trump his speed. With Robinson displaying speed and play making ability the writing is probably on the wall for banks. That said, I'd still like to see a td and john wall dance a couple more times before the season is over. Vs the pukes in a demolishing victory would be nice

The Hogster wrote:We don't coach because we don't see what they can. It's ridiculous to blame returns on the return man without seeing the coverage. You don't see that watching the Tube.

+16

DarthMonk wrote:

The Hogster wrote:The same logic applies to Banks as Gano. For some reason fans loved Gano, even though he sucked. For some reason, fans hate Banks, even though he's broken many long returns including some for TDs.

Give him time.

Close. For some reason people love Banks even though he sucks.

Like Gano's big leg, Banks can take it all the way. In the meantime we watch him bring it out repeatedly for a negative play. No blocking for Banks is much like no blocking for Gano and the flat out misses by Gano are like Banks making dumb decisions in the endznoe.

How many TDs does he have career? 1.

How many fumbles? 13.

How many inside-the-15 kickoff returns? Too many.

I do not hate Banks. I did not love Gano. Banks has not pulled his weight for a while. I'd consider Hall on punts and anyone else on kickoffs. Not sure who I'd bring up to take his roster spot - probably a pass rusher like Markus White.

This is what I just don't understand.

The fact is Brandon Banks is garbage. I will continue to bring this thread back to life each week.