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The Hogster wrote:So many things factor into it, like injuries to our team and the other team.

But, I expect our general realistic record to land somewhere between

8-8 and 10-6

I don't think this is a 6-10 team like last year's squad. And, I think RG3 will be good for at least 2 additional wins. If things really shake out well, we could win the NFC East at 10-6.

Right now, I just want to beat the Saints though.

I don't see Griffen being as good as Newton in year one, Newton played in the SEC. I think he'll show why we drafted him, but we're going to lose more then we win his rookie year.

15-1.. cuz no one's perfect (anymore).

..das how we do..

GO SKINS !

..and go Giants tomorrow night too!

Well, maybe difficult for a hardcore fan to present an unjaded reply to a w/l question at the beginning of the season, when hope springs eternal....so to speak. I think we should be around .500....and pretty much concur with the w/l of the OP. If the Beck experiment had not have happened last season, we may have hit that mark....and seeing as how I believe we have significantly improved at some important positions, I believe that we will win more than 5 games. Certainly more than the two that ESPN mag predicted. Oline and secondary are concerns....probably secondary is more of a potential issue as there was a general overhaul there, and a new coach.

1 at New Orleans L
2 at St. Louis W
3 Cincinnati W
4 at Tampa Bay W
5 Atlanta L
6 Minnesota W
7 at NY Giants L
8 at Pittsburgh L
9 Carolina W
11 Philadelphia W
12 at Dallas L
13 NY Giants W
14 Baltimore L
15 at Cleveland W
16 at Philadelphia L
17 Dallas W

Honest prediction: 7-9. An 8-8 season would represent real hope (that's how far we've fallen), and a winning season would be a giddy experience. Could be as bad as 5-11 if the offensive line doesn't come together, but I'll stick with 7-9 as my prediction.

Oh man, what is all of this gloom and doom of 5-11 ... 7-9 .. stuff? I feel like you guys have been reading too much of the "poster's" posts.

The key is going to be how healthy the o-line stays ... and how successful the Redskins are at addressing the inevitable injuries. So my predictions are prefaced by that ability to keep them performing at a decent level, and I think RG3's mobility will help the o-line issues tremendously. Keep in mind that Rex was a sitting duck that couldn't outrun a nose tackle.

RG3 will no doubt have his rookie moments, and we all have to be patient when those things pop up .... but I believe even with that, he'll perform at a level well exceeding Rex in 2011. And though the schedule is tough, we're fortunate enough to have the weakest part of it early (excepting NO), which will allow RG3 to get rookie mistakes worked out without costing the team a bunch of L's early and digging a hole the team can't pull out of.

Since the Redskins seem to always lose a couple of games we are supposed to win, and win a couple we are supposed to lose ... without specifying , I say we could start out at 4-2 or even 5-1 easily. And if we do, we could legitimately finish either 9-7 or 10-6, just by going 5-5 for the final 10 games. That is doable if RG3 has a good rookie season.

If RG3 has a "great" rookie year, I say the Skins could finish 11-5 and win the division ... just look at last year .... NYG won it with a 9-7 record, we beat them twice, and we lost to the Cowboys by very skinny margins and could have won both of those games.

The Redskins are a legitimate 6-10/7-9 team with Rex at QB ..... and I think RG3's skills can account for at least 3 more wins.

Furthermore, I agree that Pittsburgh is not the powerhouse it has been in the past, and the Cowboys and Giants have their own set of problems that I don't feel makes them significantly better this year than they were last year. I believe the Redskins improved more than either the Giants or Boys. How we handle Filthy will go a long way in determining the division and payoffs this year.

As a wild card issue ... not only does RG3 help the Redskin o-line and inside running game (due to his ability to run, preventing defenses from stacking the box and overcommitting to stop that run game) as well as helping pass pro ... his ability to move the chains will tremendously help keep the defense fresher in the latter stages of games, compared to the 3 and out contests Grossman and Beck seemed to want to have.

Offensively, I think Garcon represents a legitimate outside threat that is going to open up even greater opportunities for Moss to have a killer year working out of the slot ... and Fred Davis will also benefit. RG3 has good vision, and his mobility will equate to many more big plays in the passing game, and more points.

Defensively, I'm not as worried about the secondary as most are ... as I think Morris is going to be a difference maker, as I've already noticed the Redskins playing more aggressively and not giving these 10 yards cushions at the line. That will cost us some big plays, but in the long run, more press coverage tends to slow down that short passing game, and will allow the pass rush more opportunities. If the defense had one major flaw last year, that is were I saw it most .... too much room was given up by the corners for those easy 5 yard, chain moving pass and catch plays.

I'm optimistic, from a tangible and measurable point of view. (I think )

But then again, we could go 4-12 and see Jon Gruden become the new 2013 Redskin head coach.

Optimist in me?

8 - 8

Pessimist in me?

7 - 9

No playoffs ... YET

Next year? Different story. Winning record and Playoffs.

RayNAustin wrote:Oh man, what is all of this gloom and doom of 5-11 ... 7-9 .. stuff? I feel like you guys have been reading too much of the "poster's" posts

Pods couldn't talk a nun into going to mass. I just think it's tough for a rookie quarterback to win a lot of games in the NFL, even one as good as Griffin. No gloom and doom about it at all

Redskin in Canada wrote:Optimist in me?

8 - 8

Pessimist in me?

7 - 9

No playoffs ... YET

Next year? Different story. Winning record and Playoffs.

Nah ... come on man, where's the spirit?

The Redskins should have won 8 games last year. We absolutely lost 3 games we should have won ... and that ill conceived move to Beck that led to what was it ... a 4 game losing streak? It was a bad move, and Beck was atrocious. Anytime a guy comes in and then forces a move back to the benched player, that's a problem.

I believe the team has improved overall ... with a huge improvement at the most critical position. Anything less than 9-7 will be a bitter disappointment, in my view.

I think this team is going to surprise a bunch of nay sayers this year, and you can see that same type of optimism in Shannahan's rather uncharacteristically jovial persona here in the pre season pressers.

I think Mike knows that RG3 is going make all the difference in the world. Fact is, Kirk Cousins would be a an upgrade, so there is also depth that we've never had.

I see 10 wins, because of the defense where i believe we'll win the field position battles. Pass coverage is scarey, i hope these guys will grow up quick or it'll be a long season. Other than that i see the defence dominating.
It'll be about half thru the season when the offense begins to catch up to the defense. Lets hope they don't beat themselves to death trying to gell.

Optimist 14-2
Pessimist 8-8

Realist 10-6

I don't know if anyone has analyzed the NFC East schedules, but the Redskins have the easiest of all 4 schedules ... by a slight margin over the eagles, with the Cowboys having the 2nd hardest, followed by the Giants who have the toughest.

All NFC East teams have 8 common extra division opponents, and only two different ones. Here are the two differences for each team:

Redskins - Rams, Vikings

Eagles - Cardinals, Lions

Cowboys - Seahawks, Bears

Giants - 49ers, Packers.

I see the standings going into the final game of the season like this:

Phi - 10-5
Dal - 9-6
Was - 9-6
NYG - 8-7

Final Game

Phi @ NYG = NYG wins

Dal @ Was = Was wins

Phi - 10-6
Was - 10-6
Dal - 9-7
NYG - 9-7

there is no rationale that can be based on what we did last season - we are not the same and we do not play the same teams

NEITHER does it matter what we did last season - we lost some games we "should" have won and won some games we really should have lost - who cares



we're going to win 8 to 10 games - same old story here - wait till you see what we can get done next year

the most important objective this season is to keep RGIII healthy and have him grow into the future great QB that he is destined to be

we did not bring him here to be great for this season - the most important thing is to have him be great for 10+ seasons

RGIII is destined for greatness but he needs help

I think realistically, this is a 7-9 win team. I would love to see them perform above that expectation, but I think that's the reality of what this team is in 2012.

If the O-Line gels quickly and the WR's/DB's perform a lot better than I tend to think they will, this could definitely be a better team than I think they will be; but I'm not seeing that just yet. Hopefully next year.

The most important position on the O line is LT and we have a good one in Trent - it would be fantastic to have him become a really good LT and build a decent O line around him - that will take time - Trent HOPEFULLY understands his responsibilities and this great opportunity to play at LT with RGIII

we are very lucky that we have a number of rookies and younger players that are going to hopefully become part of a consistent, playoff contending Redskins squad - this will take time

I understand that wins and losses are important but it's equally important here to be focused on getting better and that will take another year with another good draft

8 wins and maybe 9 wins is good but it's more important to see this group getting better and playing well for 16 games

I'm tired of being patient.

cleg wrote:I'm tired of being patient.

aren't we all

"wait until next year ... " is just so frustrating


I'm looking forward to this though - we'll be able to watch one of the most exciting QBs to come along in a long, long time, playing in B&G

SkinsJock wrote:

cleg wrote:I'm tired of being patient.

aren't we all

"wait until next year ... " is just so frustrating


I'm looking forward to this though - we'll be able to watch one of the most exciting QBs to come along in a long, long time, playing in B&G

I agree, but with an actual rookie franchise quarterback this year, it isn't the same. I think priority should be on developing him.

cleg wrote:I'm tired of being patient.

This is the sentiment which causes decisions that results in a need for even more patience.

Snyder most importantly cannot be impatient cus he's been a failure since buying the team. Mike wasn't here for that. Going into the third year of rebuilding an ENTIRE business... Roster, facilities, trainers, coaches, Front Office... 3 years isnt a long time.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

cleg wrote:I'm tired of being patient.

This is the sentiment which causes decisions that results in a need for even more patience

Bam, now that's what I'm talking about. We have a winner! Perfectly put.

RayNAustin wrote:The Redskins should have won 8 games last year. We absolutely lost 3 games we should have won ... and that ill conceived move to

i got news for you. EVERY SINGLE TEAM in the league should have won more games last year.

EVERY SINGLE TEAM that was around 6-10 last year QUOTE-UNQUOTE SHOULD HAVE won 8 games last year.

Whatever the redskins record is this year (likely something around 7 wins) , they wilL SHOULD HAVE won more.

it only matters that you DO win more not talk about it months later that you SHOULD have.

(you don't think those 4 teams that lost to washington don't feel like they SHOULD HAVE won their games against the redskins?)

there's a line between the should have's and those that actually get it done. Washington has been consistently on the wrong side for over a decade. EARN IT.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

cleg wrote:I'm tired of being patient.

This is the sentiment which causes decisions that results in a need for even more patience

Bam, now that's what I'm talking about. We have a winner! Perfectly put.

I wish I wrote a better sentence.

RayNAustin wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:Optimist in me?

8 - 8

Pessimist in me?

7 - 9

No playoffs ... YET

Next year? Different story. Winning record and Playoffs.

The Redskins should have won 8 games last year. We absolutely lost 3 games we should have won ... and that ill conceived move to Beck that led to what was it ... a 4 game losing streak? It was a bad move, and Beck was atrocious. Anytime a guy comes in and then forces a move back to the benched player, that's a problem.

Ray --- should have could have. Bottom line -- you are what your record says you are. No excuses.

We could have won 3 games that we didn't last year, but we also won 4 games against theoreticaly better teams last year. We can't pick and choose games and justify why certain loses (of the 11!) were somehow a fluke. Good teams win the games they should; bad teams don't. We were the later.

In actuality, we were tied for the 5th worst record in the NFL at 5-11 last year (with the 9th easiest SOS in the NFL that year). We were the 7th worst scoring offense in the NFL last year. We had the 7th worst scoring differential in the NFL last year.

While I do believe teams can turn things around from 5-11 to 10-6; I don't see that happening here. While we have an easier schedule than others in the NFC East, it is still much worse than last years (last year we were matched up with the NFC West and AFC East -- only 2 of those teams had winning records). This year we have the NFC South and AFC North -- both top divisions each with 3 very good football teams. On top of it we have a rookie QB and a makeshift OL.

The pessimist/doom & gloom in me sees this team going 4-12 with wins over CLE, MINN, STL, and one division opponent at home. The optimist sees us going 7-9. In the prior 2 seasons I predicted us going 6-10 and the year prior at 7-9. These were pessimistic opinions and I was still 1 game above the actual record, so hopefully this is the year I am way off --- and I will be really happy if it is.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

cleg wrote:I'm tired of being patient.

This is the sentiment which causes decisions that results in a need for even more patience

Bam, now that's what I'm talking about. We have a winner! Perfectly put.

I wish I wrote a better sentence.

I'm not sure you could have - it's very clear to me

we really need to just sit back and enjoy the good parts - it cannot be as bad as it's been .... can it?

SkinsJock wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

cleg wrote:I'm tired of being patient.

This is the sentiment which causes decisions that results in a need for even more patience

Bam, now that's what I'm talking about. We have a winner! Perfectly put.

I wish I wrote a better sentence.

I'm not sure you could have - it's very clear to me

we really need to just sit back and enjoy the good parts - it cannot be as bad as it's been .... can it?

No, it definitely can't because it's already gotten better my brutha!