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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I 100% place the state of this franchise on Snyder's back.

And 100% credit should be given to him if he has truly learned his lesson. Time will tell but that door has to swing both ways.

Absolutely. But a lot of people have a hard time letting of the narratives that run their lives. It'll take snyder 20years of ownership the right way to erase the first 10 from the minds of the huddled masses.

Well, that's part of Danny's "punishment" and his nobody to blame but himself. I think he realized that he controls the legacy that he'll be remembered by.

- The owner who ruined the franchise...
- The owner who stumbled but got it together and resurrected a proud franchise.

Oh, we agree on that.

Okay...ENOUGH!!! When will you all stop with the whining and Redskin Team Owner bashing!!! It's pathetic and sad by now. To set the record straight...Our owner has done everything in his efforts to bring a championship to this Beloved, but very spoiled city! Some methods have worked...some hasn't. Can any one of you say you could've run the team better??? If I would have owned a team at 34, you better believe I would've had a Madden EA sports team as well.

Dan, tried and brought you back Joe Gibbs with play-off success. He brought you players and draft picks that made this team loveable and envied. Example, Lavar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Chris ey, Fred Davis, Carlos Rogers, Brian Orakpo, and now the proverbial R.G.3...Free Agents, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, London Fletcher, Santana Moss, a can't miss trade for Clinton Portis.

In twelve years of ownership, he has done more than most franchises have done in a lifetime. It is NOT easy to win championships! We have won 5 in 80 years of existence!!! Trust me...we will soon, again, host the Lambordi Trophy as we continue to Fight for Ol' DC!

Sure Dan has made mistakes...but who hasn't? There is no school for NFL ownership. It's a job you learn as you go. He has done well and is improving. Jack Kent Cooke didn't win a championship until about decade later with the hiring of one, Joe Gibbs. After Gibbs retired in '92, Our beloved team suffered a laughingstock '90's. We toiled and suffered drafting Heath Shuler, the firing of Coach Ritchie Pettibone after one season. The hiring of a former Cowboys coach in Norv Turner. Losing a franchise QB in Trent Green, the head- butting wall incident with Guss. Nobody bashes the beloved, late owner of the Steelers, Art Rooney. They had almost 40 years of losing before becoming the team of the '70's. Both Jerry Jones and Bob Craft both won championships in the mid-nineties and 2000's respectively, with both marquee QB's and great players. But guess what...NONE since!!! Are they terrible owners?

We have had our share of lows for our SKINS, in the last twenty years...But brighter days are now here! You all relax and Enjoy!!!

ICEMAN wrote:Can any one of you say you could've run the team better???

You have to ask whether a group of anonymous football hobbyists think they could do better than Dan Snyder? Welcome to The Internet.

If I would have owned a team at 34, you better believe I would've had a Madden EA sports team as well.

While I can't make any credible claims that I'd be a better owner than Snyder, I can credibly claim that if I was owner of the Skins at age 34, I would not have that approach to building a team at all.

And I don't think "trying hard" is a good enough excuse for the mistakes he made during that time. A confused fool with lots of money is something to pity, not to admire.

Oh...and by the way. As far as the trade for Portis and Bailey...well, its really irrelevant! Neither of them brought their respective cities a championship. We enjoyed CP for what he did for the SKINS and Denver enjoyed CB for his duration. To me...it was a brilliant trade. For one, Champ did NOT want to return here!!! We got the best back in the league to be a Redskin under Hall of Famer Joe Gibbs!!! Plus, Champ's time with us was okay at best...Just ask the Cowboys, Rocket Ismail. CB got better in Denver. He never had more than three picks for the SKINS and really was never a game-changer defensive back for us and an even more terrible punt returner. I am cool on that...Portis was great for us! Also I thought Shawn Springs filled in admirably for us in Champ's spot...

Irn-Bru wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:Can any one of you say you could've run the team better???

You have to ask whether a group of anonymous football hobbyists think they could do better than Dan Snyder? Welcome to The Internet.

If I would have owned a team at 34, you better believe I would've had a Madden EA sports team as well.

While I can't make any credible claims that I'd be a better owner than Snyder, I can credibly claim that if I was owner of the Skins at age 34, I would not have that approach to building a team at all.

And I don't think "trying hard" is a good enough excuse for the mistakes he made during that time. A confused fool with lots of money is something to pity, not to admire.

Wow! I just don't get it!!! I guess only history and time will be the best teacher in all of this!

ICEMAN wrote:Oh...and by the way. As far as the trade for Portis and Bailey...well, its really irrelevant! Neither of them brought their respective cities a championship. We enjoyed CP for what he did for the SKINS and Denver enjoyed CB for his duration. To me...it was a brilliant trade.
For one, Champ did NOT want to return here!!! We got the best back in the league to be a Redskin under Hall of Famer Joe Gibbs!!! Plus, Champ's time with us was okay at best...Just ask the Cowboys, Rocket Ismail. CB got better in Denver. He never had more than three picks for the SKINS and really was never a game-changer defensive back for us and an even more terrible punt returner. I am cool on that...Portis was great for us! Also I thought Shawn Springs filled in admirably for us in Champ's spot...

say what!

I understand that Champ might have had some extenuating circumstances affect his playing IF he had stayed ... we really don't know

AND

Portis did make some contributions - he should be remembered as a great RB

but it was NOT a "brilliant trade" for us


the Broncos got a premier CB that is still helping there

our owner had no idea what he was doing at that time ZERO


I'm fine with Snyder as he is now ... he certainly did not have a clue about how to own and run an NFL franchise for a number of years

I think most of us here would have at least been able to look in a mirror and say "I need to get someone in here that can fix this mess ..." a whole lot sooner than Dan did

SkinsJock wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:Oh...and by the way. As far as the trade for Portis and Bailey...well, its really irrelevant! Neither of them brought their respective cities a championship. We enjoyed CP for what he did for the SKINS and Denver enjoyed CB for his duration. To me...it was a brilliant trade.
For one, Champ did NOT want to return here!!! We got the best back in the league to be a Redskin under Hall of Famer Joe Gibbs!!! Plus, Champ's time with us was okay at best...Just ask the Cowboys, Rocket Ismail. CB got better in Denver. He never had more than three picks for the SKINS and really was never a game-changer defensive back for us and an even more terrible punt returner. I am cool on that...Portis was great for us! Also I thought Shawn Springs filled in admirably for us in Champ's spot...

say what!

I understand that Champ might have had some extenuating circumstances affect his playing IF he had stayed ... we really don't know

AND

Portis did make some contributions - he should be remembered as a great RB

but it was NOT a "brilliant trade" for us


the Broncos got a premier CB that is still helping there

our owner had no idea what he was doing at that time ZERO


I'm fine with Snyder as he is now ... he certainly did not have a clue about how to own and run an NFL franchise for a number of years

I think most of us here would have at least been able to look in a mirror and say "I need to get someone in here that can fix this mess ..." a whole lot sooner than Dan did

I thought the main issue was that Bailey would not play in Washington any longer. For whatever reasons, maybe could not tolerate Snyder's organization any longer.

If so, then I guess you try to get as much as possible for Bailey. Which is not to say that trading Bailey should have been the team's first choice...

from what I heard - Champ was caught by his wife and basically had to get out of town

he might have felt that he could do better elsewhere but he basically was 'forced' to leave - NOT by the Redskins

SkinsJock wrote:from what I heard - Champ was caught by his wife and basically had to get out of town

he might have felt that he could do better elsewhere but he basically was 'forced' to leave - NOT by the Redskins

Ah...that makes more sense.

If Champ did not want to be here then the right thing was done.

No it wasn't. Champ was the best cb in football at the time. He was franchised and NOT GOING ANYWHERE! It doesn't matter if he wanted to leave. He was franchised and shouldn't have been sent anywhere and certainly shouldn't have traded for way less than market value.

The compensation for a franchise player is two first and the best CB in the NFL is certainly worth that. So we traded the best CB in the NFL for the third best RB in the AFC West AND gave Denver a 2nd! That means Snyder and Gibbs thought Portis was worth two 1st and a 2nd.

When I first heard the trade I thought we had traded Bailey got Portis and a 2nd and I was upset that we didn't get a 1st. Then when I was livid when I found out that we gave the 2nd instead of getting one.

It was I horrendous trade, value wise. It didn't matter if CP turn out to be a HoF RB! RBs just aren't that valuable! The value at the time of the trade was lopsided in favor of the Broncos.

I'm just waiting on MS to trade one of our RB to the Jets for Reevis and a second, but only the Snyder Skins are that dumb.

skinsfan#33 wrote:No it wasn't. Champ was the best cb in football at the time. He was franchised and NOT GOING ANYWHERE! It doesn't matter if he wanted to leave. He was franchised and shouldn't have been sent anywhere and certainly shouldn't have traded for way less than market value.

The compensation for a franchise player is two first and the best CB in the NFL is certainly worth that. So we traded the best CB in the NFL for the third best RB in the AFC West AND gave Denver a 2nd! That means Snyder and Gibbs thought Portis was worth two 1st and a 2nd.

When I first heard the trade I thought we had traded Bailey got Portis and a 2nd and I was upset that we didn't get a 1st. Then when I was livid when I found out that we gave the 2nd instead of getting one.

It was I horrendous trade, value wise. It didn't matter if CP turn out to be a HoF RB! RBs just aren't that valuable! The value at the time of the trade was lopsided in favor of the Broncos.

I'm just waiting on MS to trade one of our RB to the Jets for Reevis and a second, but only the Snyder Skins are that dumb.

Are you serious!!! Champ was coming up on Free Agent status. We might have had him for possibly another year at best! HE DID NOT WANT TO BE HERE!!!! I am friends with both, Champ and CP. Coach Gibbs wanted and executed the trade, basically himself. We needed a marquee and premier running back...And we got one of the best in the NFL in Clinton Portis! Champ was not a game-changer db for the SKINS while he was here. He was good...but he was no Revis Island. We made the best of a win-win situation and got Portis. I am pleased with all that transpired.

I will AGREE with you that we should not have given up a second whatsoever! The trade should've been a straight up swap. And can we please kill the Owner bashing!!! When it is all said and done...Dan Snyder will become one of the best owners in sports one day...I said it!

skinsfan#33 wrote:No it wasn't. Champ was the best cb in football at the time. He was franchised and NOT GOING ANYWHERE! It doesn't matter if he wanted to leave. He was franchised and shouldn't have been sent anywhere and certainly shouldn't have traded for way less than market value.

The compensation for a franchise player is two first and the best CB in the NFL is certainly worth that. So we traded the best CB in the NFL for the third best RB in the AFC West AND gave Denver a 2nd! That means Snyder and Gibbs thought Portis was worth two 1st and a 2nd.

When I first heard the trade I thought we had traded Bailey got Portis and a 2nd and I was upset that we didn't get a 1st. Then when I was livid when I found out that we gave the 2nd instead of getting one.

It was I horrendous trade, value wise. It didn't matter if CP turn out to be a HoF RB! RBs just aren't that valuable! The value at the time of the trade was lopsided in favor of the Broncos.

I'm just waiting on MS to trade one of our RB to the Jets for Reevis and a second, but only the Snyder Skins are that dumb.

Are you serious!!! Champ was coming up on Free Agent status. We might have had him for possibly another year at best! HE DID NOT WANT TO BE HERE!!!! I am friends with both, Champ and CP. Coach Gibbs wanted and executed the trade, basically himself. We needed a marquee and premier running back...And we got one of the best in the NFL in Clinton Portis! Champ was not a game-changer db for the SKINS while he was here. He was good...but he was no Revis Island. We made the best of a win-win situation and got Portis. I am pleased with all that transpired.

I will AGREE with you that we should not have given up a second whatsoever! The trade should've been a straight up swap. And can we please kill the Owner bashing!!! When it is all said and done...Dan Snyder will become one of the best owners in sports one day...I said it!

skinsfan#33 wrote:No it wasn't. Champ was the best cb in football at the time. He was franchised and NOT GOING ANYWHERE! It doesn't matter if he wanted to leave. He was franchised and shouldn't have been sent anywhere and certainly shouldn't have traded for way less than market value.

The compensation for a franchise player is two first and the best CB in the NFL is certainly worth that. So we traded the best CB in the NFL for the third best RB in the AFC West AND gave Denver a 2nd! That means Snyder and Gibbs thought Portis was worth two 1st and a 2nd.

When I first heard the trade I thought we had traded Bailey got Portis and a 2nd and I was upset that we didn't get a 1st. Then when I was livid when I found out that we gave the 2nd instead of getting one.

It was I horrendous trade, value wise. It didn't matter if CP turn out to be a HoF RB! RBs just aren't that valuable! The value at the time of the trade was lopsided in favor of the Broncos.

I'm just waiting on MS to trade one of our RB to the Jets for Reevis and a second, but only the Snyder Skins are that dumb.

Are you serious!!! Champ was coming up on Free Agent status. We might have had him for possibly another year at best! HE DID NOT WANT TO BE HERE!!!! I am friends with both, Champ and CP. Coach Gibbs wanted and executed the trade, basically himself. We needed a marquee and premier running back...And we got one of the best in the NFL in Clinton Portis! Champ was not a game-changer db for the SKINS while he was here. He was good...but he was no Revis Island. We made the best of a win-win situation and got Portis. I am pleased with all that transpired.

I will AGREE with you that we should not have given up a second whatsoever! The trade should've been a straight up swap. And can we please kill the Owner bashing!!! When it is all said and done...Dan Snyder will become one of the best owners in sports one day...I said it!

Dan Snyder may in time become a good owner but to think he will have the character and integrity to be regarded as one of the best is a stretch

Only time will tell if Dan Snyder has learned that in order to be considered a better owner than he was, he needs to stay out of the FO stuff

The Portis trade was not brilliant but considering some of the other moves that Snyder was a part of it wasn't terrible either

- just another bad deal for the Redskins

Even if The Danny does stay out of the FO business completely, he will never be one of the best owners until he has a major paradigm shift in his personality. The man is a tyrant to the rank and file members of the organization. I was talking to a fan during the Colts game who used to work for the team. He told me that the second email he got as a new hire, was guidelines on how to act around Snyder if you pass him in the halls or something. You had to refer to him as "the Owner" and not Mr. Snyder, and could not look him in the eyes. When this guy wore a burgundy and gold tie, his sister had given him as a Christmas present, he was told not to wear it again, because The Danny had seen it, and thought it looked too much like his own tie.

Deadskins wrote:Even if The Danny does stay out of the FO business completely, he will never be one of the best owners until he has a major paradigm shift in his personality. The man is a tyrant to the rank and file members of the organization. I was talking to a fan during the Colts game who used to work for the team. He told me that the second email he got as a new hire, was guidelines on how to act around Snyder if you pass him in the halls or something. You had to refer to him as "the Owner" and not Mr. Snyder, and could not look him in the eyes. When this guy wore a burgundy and gold tie, his sister had given him as a Christmas present, he was told not to wear it again, because The Danny had seen it, and thought it looked too much like his own tie.

C'mon that's a bit much.

True story.

Hmmmm???!!??

Every time I hear a story about Snyder, I have a lower opinion of him afterwards. That's why I mostly try to avoid reading more about him.

He does a lot for the greater Washington area...I can't imagine him being even this remotely bad...

ICEMAN wrote:He does a lot for the greater Washington area...I can't imagine him being even this remotely bad...

most of us have no trouble knowing what sort of NFL owner Dan Snyder is - he's clearly shown it for many years - he's one of the worst

As a businessman and as a person, I have feeling he's not as good as he's portrayed .. but I'm also not sure he's as bad as the reports are either

he's got a lot of room for improvement and hopefully he's learned - we're going to get some indication soon ...

but ... only time will tell

SkinsJock wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:He does a lot for the greater Washington area...I can't imagine him being even this remotely bad...

most of us have no trouble knowing what sort of NFL owner Dan Snyder is - he's clearly shown it for many years - he's one of the worst

As a businessman and as a person, I have feeling he's not as good as he's portrayed .. but I'm also not sure he's as bad as the reports are either

he's got a lot of room for improvement and hopefully he's learned - we're going to get some indication soon ...

but ... only time will tell

I just can't see why he is labeled the "Worst" when all he has done is tried to bring this city and fan base a championship. Some methods have failed...some things has worked. He has done everything!! We will win championships again...I guarantee it! Dan Snyder has only had this team for a little over a decade. Look how long it took Art Modell to win a Championship...And only one. What about the legendary Art Rooney? It took him almost 40 years before the Steelers became a winning franchise.

Sometimes, things take time. We are just now seeing the fruits of our labor in progress. Dan, tried to bring in the Dream Team in 2000, marquee Free agents, that made our team fun and exciting! He brought back Joe Gibbs! He brought us some of the best draft picks in SKINS history with Lavar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Sean Taylor, Chris ey, Laron Landry, Brian Orakpo, Fred Davis, Ryan Kerrigan and now the proverbial R G 3!!! He even strategically hired a coach in waiting in Jim Zorn...just to hire Shanny ultimately. He even hired a General Manager, because YOU fans wanted one. So he has proven he is not a non-caring dictator, who is not trying to appease his fans. He is, obviously, a very successful businessman, who knows how to run a business, especially the one called the Washington Redskins!

ICEMAN wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

ICEMAN wrote:He does a lot for the greater Washington area...I can't imagine him being even this remotely bad...

most of us have no trouble knowing what sort of NFL owner Dan Snyder is - he's clearly shown it for many years - he's one of the worst

As a businessman and as a person, I have feeling he's not as good as he's portrayed .. but I'm also not sure he's as bad as the reports are either

he's got a lot of room for improvement and hopefully he's learned - we're going to get some indication soon ...

but ... only time will tell

I just can't see why he is labeled the "Worst" when all he has done is tried to bring this city and fan base a championship. Some methods have failed...some things has worked. He has done everything!! We will win championships again...I guarantee it! Dan Snyder has only had this team for a little over a decade. Look how long it took Art Modell to win a Championship...And only one. What about the legendary Art Rooney? It took him almost 40 years before the Steelers became a winning franchise.

Sometimes, things take time. We are just now seeing the fruits of our labor in progress. Dan, tried to bring in the Dream Team in 2000, marquee Free agents, that made our team fun and exciting! He brought back Joe Gibbs! He brought us some of the best draft picks in SKINS history with Lavar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Sean Taylor, Chris ey, Laron Landry, Brian Orakpo, Fred Davis, Ryan Kerrigan and now the proverbial R G 3!!! He even strategically hired a coach in waiting in Jim Zorn...just to hire Shanny ultimately. He even hired a General Manager, because YOU fans wanted one. So he has proven he is not a non-caring dictator, who is not trying to appease his fans. He is, obviously, a very successful businessman, who knows how to run a business, especially the one called the Washington Redskins!

Where in your post did he prove that?

ICEMAN wrote: I just can't see why he is labeled the "Worst" when all he has done is tried to bring this city and fan base a championship. Some methods have failed...some things has worked. He has done everything!! We will win championships again...I guarantee it! Dan Snyder has only had this team for a little over a decade. Look how long it took Art Modell to win a Championship...And only one. What about the legendary Art Rooney? It took him almost 40 years before the Steelers became a winning franchise.

Sometimes, things take time. We are just now seeing the fruits of our labor in progress. Dan, tried to bring in the Dream Team in 2000, marquee Free agents, that made our team fun and exciting! He brought back Joe Gibbs! He brought us some of the best draft picks in SKINS history with Lavar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Sean Taylor, Chris ey, Laron Landry, Brian Orakpo, Fred Davis, Ryan Kerrigan and now the proverbial R G 3!!! He even strategically hired a coach in waiting in Jim Zorn...just to hire Shanny ultimately. He even hired a General Manager, because YOU fans wanted one. So he has proven he is not a non-caring dictator, who is not trying to appease his fans.
He is, obviously, a very successful businessman, who knows how to run a business, especially the one called the Washington Redskins!

sorry mate - you need to understand the difference between being a successful businessman & NFL franchise owner which Snyder is, having improved the value of this franchise like he has done

AND

what Dan Snyder has done to this franchise as far as what goes on the football field is concerned (admittedly, with the help of Vinny Cerrato)

THAT is what we are pointing to when we say that Dan Snyder is one of the worst owners in the NFL - NOT the worst, just right up there

Dan Snyder has to stay away from anything to do with the players on this roster in order for this franchise to be competitive again

it will happen - however, what he did will take at least another year under Bruce and Mike to undo