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Irn-Bru wrote:I don't know that I was ever against this trade, but I did experience some sticker shock the day the news broke. Since then I've come to think the price we paid is worth it. Sure, there is still time for things not to work out, but looking at the bet Shanny/Allen made, I like it more each day.

Exactly. Some may harp on the 1st round draft picks given up, but let's be honest. Is a franchise QB worth Laron Landry, Jason Campbell, and Carlos Rodgers? Because there are 3 consecutive first round picks. We really really would have suffered without those guys...

Oh right, the 2nd round pick. Devon Thomas or Malcom Kelly. Where would the Skins be without them???

HEROHAMO wrote:This was a move the front office had to make regardless of how RG3 performs.

Pretty much!!

PulpExposure wrote:Exactly. Some may harp on the 1st round draft picks given up, but let's be honest. Is a franchise QB worth Laron Landry, Jason Campbell, and Carlos Rodgers?

Your personal evaluation and completley random selection of three former first round draft picks (one of them a low first rounder) from half a decade ago is independent from the factual statement of the most value ever ponied up for one college player was given by the Redskins. So, he HAS to pay off. And fast.

And you should be fair and qualify your statement with "a potential franchise QB"

Because when the Redskins drafted those players, including another QUARTERBACK (ironically), they had similar aspirations for all of them, collectively.

Oh right, the 2nd round pick. Devon Thomas or Malcom Kelly. Where would the Skins be without them???

the only fair outcome one can deduce from this statement is that then the Redskins shouldnt use draft picks at all. Not on Devon Thomas, and they shouldnt package them in to get other college players like Robert Griffin, either. They should trade all picks for veterans. That's what you're saying.

Best draft move in the history of the draft..
Last two years we have been one of the most active teams in the draft if not THE most. I'm not worried about next year or the following years number one picks.. if shanny has a guy he wants in the first round, he will shell out what he deems fit and GET him.
RGIII is not only the franchise qb but is the face of the franchise. He is so franchised already that he doesn't even have to be amazing this year, kind of like Luck. We will put up with mediocrity, knowing his talent is unmatched by anyone we have had in generations.
This makes him worth any ransom, and believe u me, WHEN not if, he does become that elite qb he is destined to be... Everyone will act like they knew all along and that Shanny doesn't deserve praise, cus of course it was the only logical move.

Best draft move in the history of the draft..
Last two years we have been one of the most active teams in the draft if not THE most. I'm not worried about next year or the following years number one picks.. if shabby has a guy he wants in the first round, he will shell out what he deems fit and GET him.
RGIII is not only the franchise qb but is the face of the franchise. He is so franchised already that he doesn't even have to be amazing this year, kind of like Luck. We will put up with mediocrity, knowing his talent is unmatched by anyone we have had in generations.
This makes him worth any ransom, and believe u me, WHEN not if, he does become that elite qb he is destined to be... Everyone we act like they knew all along at that Shanny doesn't deserve praise cue it was the only logical move.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:My point was that it would seem foolish to think that those who were critical of the trade would be swayed by four passes in a pre-season game.

If they weren't excited before, they won't be now. Give RG3 time to really prove himself in games that matter against real defenses and I think you'll see them come around

Six passes, not four.

Okay, four completions...

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Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

Why Bob, why?

Deadskins wrote:Why Bob, why?

I'm outta practice and couldn't resist

Bob 0119 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Why Bob, why?

I'm outta practice and couldn't resist

It's not your fault...

Remember, educate the uninformed and there is no correcting stupidity.

Bob 0119 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

Or even more then Mike Ditka gave up to acquire Ricky Williams!

frankcal20 wrote:It's way to early to determine if the trade was successful or not. If he's a franchise QB, then worth every penny. If he's a mediocre qB, then the trade sucked but it'll take a few years to determine what RG3 will be.

Agree, but I think it will take less time to make that determination. If he is a franchise QB, we'll know by the end of this year.

Bob 0119 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

attention to details. as I wrote earlier in this very thread, most ever given up for a college player.

but even if it wasn't. even if you wanted to talk about Herschel walker? would the fact that there was ONE other player would that diminish the point any??

the redskins still gave up a TON therefore making a riskier proposition than people are downplaying here.

simply put, if he works out, yep , that's great. but if he doesn't, then that's more than one high first pick that was a bust. that's several. and that, when I last checked, is not good.

speaking of checked........check mate.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

Or even more then Mike Ditka gave up to acquire Ricky Williams!

um, yeah, it's actually a ton more than Ditka gave up.

the poster wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

Or even more then Mike Ditka gave up to acquire Ricky Williams!

um, yeah, it's actually a ton more than Ditka gave up.

I dont think so. The Saints gave up the entire 1999 draft plus the first and third round the next year. Marking the first time ever a team only drafted one player.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

Or even more then Mike Ditka gave up to acquire Ricky Williams!

Ditka gave up a WHOLE draft class... Wasington swapped #1, and gave up pick that yeilded Janoris Jenkins, while signing Chase Minnifield after the draft and one pick each year for the next two years.

The Skins gave up a lot, not as much as the ones already mentioned or the likes of Cutler and a fifth round pick in 2009 for Kyle Orton, a first and a third in 2009 and Chicago's first pick in 2010, We won't even mention the Buccaneers "trading" for Gruden from the Raiders for two first rounders and two second rounders plus cash. What the skins gave up for a franchise QB is nothing compared to what other teams have traded to get who they wanted in the past

HEROHAMO wrote:

the poster wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

Or even more then Mike Ditka gave up to acquire Ricky Williams!

um, yeah, it's actually a ton more than Ditka gave up.

I dont think so. The Saints gave up the entire 1999 draft plus the first and third round the next year. Marking the first time ever a team only drafted one player.

you're a little out of your league, I think. I suspect you would be best served to adhere the unwritten rules here and ignore me like the others but in the meantime if you want to debate the value of picks like 5th, 6th, 7th rounders versus 3 first rounders (yes 3 not 2) first rounders and a high second rounder then I don't need to say anything really. your testimony alone is your downfall.

I'm your Sheldon Cooper.

HEROHAMO wrote:

the poster wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

Or even more then Mike Ditka gave up to acquire Ricky Williams!

um, yeah, it's actually a ton more than Ditka gave up.

I dont think so. The Saints gave up the entire 1999 draft plus the first and third round the next year. Marking the first time ever a team only drafted one player.

Hello.....

1niksder wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Why Bob, why?

I'm outta practice and couldn't resist

It's not your fault...

Remember, educate the uninformed and there is no correcting stupidity.

the poster wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

the poster wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

Wow, even more than Minnesota gave up to get Herschel Walker?

Or even more then Mike Ditka gave up to acquire Ricky Williams!

um, yeah, it's actually a ton more than Ditka gave up.

I dont think so. The Saints gave up the entire 1999 draft plus the first and third round the next year. Marking the first time ever a team only drafted one player.

you're a little out of your league, I think. I suspect you would be best served to adhere the unwritten rules here and ignore me like the others but in the meantime if you want to debate the value of picks like 5th, 6th, 7th rounders versus 3 first rounders (yes 3 not 2) first rounders and a high second rounder then I don't need to say anything really. your testimony alone is your downfall.

I'm your Sheldon Cooper.

HEROHAMO it can't count and knows it

I dont think so. The Saints gave up the entire 1999 draft plus the first and third round the next year. Marking the first time ever a team only drafted one player.

to get griffin the redskins used:
1st (2nd overall)
2nd (39th overall)
1st in 2013 ( and let me just say that won't exactly be 32nd overall, ha)
1st in 2014

to get Ricky Williams the saints used:
1st (5th overall)
1st (in 2000)
3rd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th

you couldn't trade all those non first round picks together and get equal VALUE (key word here, what I used from the beginning) to get a first round draft pick let alone make up for the high second high round pick Washington also included.

again, the value of draft picks used for rg3 was the largest in NFL history for a college player.

and....you just got delivered knowledge by the poster in the process. and anyone siding with you also got delivered knowledge too.

the lesson here is never ......ever.......try to debate against the poster.....he knows YOUR team better than YOU.

that goes for all of you. proven with facts once again.

and even still....even if the facts didn't reduce your post to nothing....it still wouldn't take away from the main theme here....a ton was given up, therefore it is a risky venture.

I win again.

When I think about all of the possible new features we could've added to this site, I see we couldn't move forward without a new antagonist.

Last year it was that Suck4Luck guy, right?

Bob 0119 wrote:When I think about all of the possible new features we could've added to this site, I see we couldn't move forward without a new antagonist.

Last year it was that Suck4Luck guy, right?

You've only yourself to blame.

Deadskins wrote:You've only yourself to blame.

And just like draft boards NO 2 teams have the same DVC

Deadskins wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:When I think about all of the possible new features we could've added to this site, I see we couldn't move forward without a new antagonist.

Last year it was that Suck4Luck guy, right?

You've only yourself to blame.

Can't we cowbell these guys or something?

I missed the OTAs but I'll be sharper by the regular season

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