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RG3 always has the option to tell the agent to get the deal done. Keep in mind that the agent has no control over either party. He, like myself who sells real estate, performs on behalf of our clients. We offer advice but if a client tells me to walk from an offer or to make a low offer on a home, I have to do it. RG3 shares some of the blame here.

Deadskins wrote:I don't think so. It'd be easier for RGIII to drop the issue than the Skins. In his case, the offset will never come into play, but if the Skins allow him to set that precedent, then it could come back to bite them in the future with other players.

Precedent was set when the Carolina Panthers didn’t put offset language in the contract they signed No. 9 pick Luke Kuechly to.

It'll get done before the vets are due in.

RG3 tweeted that he was working out with Chris Baker who is listed as a NT. Wish it were the WRs but why not hang with the defensive guys.

frankcal20 wrote:RG3 always has the option to tell the agent to get the deal done. Keep in mind that the agent has no control over either party. He, like myself who sells real estate, performs on behalf of our clients. We offer advice but if a client tells me to walk from an offer or to make a low offer on a home, I have to do it. RG3 shares some of the blame here.

Agreed. But I think he's right to do what he's doing. They gave up the farm to get him, they're not going to cut him before 4 years are up, guarantee the money, Bruce and move on. This is the team trying to save PR face and act like they're tough. This isn't the player to do that with. This is your franchise QB. Guarantee his money and let's get to work.

My god, this disgustingly terrible franchise has the audacity to hold up RGIII over money?!?!

This is the same owner that paid Haynesworth 100M?!

This isn't the time to play hardball. Play hardball with Albert. Play it was bum *** ARE.

If the 9th overall pick is good enough not to have offset language, so is RGIII. Bruce, get this done. Nobody will give 2 about a few million of this doesn't work out, the draft picks would be the issue.

See the problem is that if they just agree to his entire contract being guaranteed, going forward, agents will use this as a reference point that all contracts are guaranteed regardless if the player in on the team or not.

Now, it would be safe to assume that then VET players would like to do the same.

Could you imagine the dead cap monies that would be go against the cap and limit what teams could do? It wouldn't work and this agent is not being wise in representing his client. The best contract RG3 can get is the contract that slotted for his draft position. Then it's up to RG3 to go in and perform to get the real contract after year 3.

This is not good for NFL teams in any way, shape or form and I for one would fully support the Redskins holding off if that is going to be there position.

This explains both sides of the coin.

good read. Offset Language or not, If I'm the team, I don't want to pay for a guy who's getting paid somewhere else.

RGIII absolutely needs to be building a relationship with the WRs right now. I don't like this one bit.

Jak101 wrote:RGIII absolutely needs to be building a relationship with the WRs right now. I don't like this one bit.

The only players he could be building a relationship with right now are other rookies and players with less than one accrued year in the NFL.
The only WRs on that list would be Darius Hanks, Lance Lewis, Brian Hernandez, Samuel Kirkland, and Hankerson if he wasn't still rehabbing. He's not missing much considering the WRs spent time with him in Waco during the break after OTAs

I would say the benefit of being there right now would be executing the offensive plays. It may not be a bad thing for Cousins to get a few reps as well.

imo this needs to be done RIGHT, but the missing of Rookie camp isnt a big deal.. as was said he already has been developing continuity w the WR he will be throwing to... and if anyone thinks this kid isnt going to study the playbook while not at camp you are trippin.
had all the vets been there this week then ya sound the alarm.. as of now? its just business dont trip

frankcal20 wrote:good read. Offset Language or not, If I'm the team, I don't want to pay for a guy who's getting paid somewhere else.

If RGIII is on another team in 4 years, there will be a lot worse things going on than some money...

There is no reasonable circumstance in which he will not be on this team in 4 years.

I agree with you but keep in mind that this offset language applies to all draft picks. Not just RG3. Like Josh LeRibus all the way down to the 7th round pick.

frankcal20 wrote:I agree with you but keep in mind that this offset language applies to all draft picks. Not just RG3. Like Josh LeRibus all the way down to the 7th round pick.

Ahhh... Good point, I didn't think about that.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I agree with you but keep in mind that this offset language applies to all draft picks. Not just RG3. Like Josh LeRibus all the way down to the 7th round pick.

Ahhh... Good point, I didn't think about that.

Which is why the team can't let the precedent be set. As much as I want RGIII to sign, it's in the team's best interests not to cave on this issue.

Deadskins wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I agree with you but keep in mind that this offset language applies to all draft picks. Not just RG3. Like Josh LeRibus all the way down to the 7th round pick.

Ahhh... Good point, I didn't think about that.

Which is why the team can't let the precedent be set. As much as I want RGIII to sign, it's in the team's best interests not to cave on this issue.

But it seems as though the Panthers have already set it... I can't see a 9th round pick getting a better deal than those below him.

The Panthers set it for the Panthers. They also didn't include offset language in Cam's contract last year. There are still nine of the top 11 picks unsigned. That means that other teams are still debating if they want to follow that trend.

frankcal20 wrote:I agree with you but keep in mind that this offset language applies to all draft picks. Not just RG3. Like Josh LeRibus all the way down to the 7th round pick.

Hang on. Are you saying that if they allow the offset language into griffin's K, they are legally mandated (by CBA) to put it into every other pick's K (either this year or every year after)? Or are you saying that If they give on the OFfset language with their presumed franchise qb that other draft picks will want to argue that a precedent has been set and they should get it to.

I thought you were saying the latter previously, but now it sounds as if you are saying the former. If it is the former, my bad, I missed that and I change my stance, Skins should hold firm. IF it is just their (and your?) presumption that they'll lose leverage with other players' contracts (be it future #1s (of which we have none for 2 yrs, btw) or other picks this year (of which there's only one not signed right now), or all draft picks till the end of time), then I maintain my original stance.

1niksder wrote:

Jak101 wrote:RGIII absolutely needs to be building a relationship with the WRs right now. I don't like this one bit.

The only players he could be building a relationship with right now are other rookies and players with less than one accrued year in the NFL.
The only WRs on that list would be Darius Hanks, Lance Lewis, Brian Hernandez, Samuel Kirkland, and Hankerson if he wasn't still rehabbing. He's not missing much considering the WRs spent time with him in Waco during the break after OTAs

Yea, What he said

emoses14 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I agree with you but keep in mind that this offset language applies to all draft picks. Not just RG3. Like Josh LeRibus all the way down to the 7th round pick.

Hang on. Are you saying that if they allow the offset language into griffin's K, they are legally mandated (by CBA) to put it into every other pick's K (either this year or every year after)? Or are you saying that If they give on the OFfset language with their presumed franchise qb that other draft picks will want to argue that a precedent has been set and they should get it to.

I thought you were saying the latter previously, but now it sounds as if you are saying the former. If it is the former, my bad, I missed that and I change my stance, Skins should hold firm. IF it is just their (and your?) presumption that they'll lose leverage with other players' contracts (be it future #1s (of which we have none for 2 yrs, btw) or other picks this year (of which there's only one not signed right now), or all draft picks till the end of time), then I maintain my original stance.

Long work day so I can't comprehend how to respond but each contract is different but just my guess is that if the Redskins allow no-offset language in the contract (they pay all) for RG3, going forward it's safe to assume that future draft picks will want the same thing b/c RG3 got it and most likely hold out. The agent doesn't want it in the contract so that he can then say, I got the #2 pick a fully guaranteed contract. RG3 shouldn't care if it's in there or not b/c if he's a true competitor and really confident, he'll look at what Drew Brees was just paid and say, this is peanuts compared to what I will get paid.

frankcal20 wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I agree with you but keep in mind that this offset language applies to all draft picks. Not just RG3. Like Josh LeRibus all the way down to the 7th round pick.

Hang on. Are you saying that if they allow the offset language into griffin's K, they are legally mandated (by CBA) to put it into every other pick's K (either this year or every year after)? Or are you saying that If they give on the OFfset language with their presumed franchise qb that other draft picks will want to argue that a precedent has been set and they should get it to.

I thought you were saying the latter previously, but now it sounds as if you are saying the former. If it is the former, my bad, I missed that and I change my stance, Skins should hold firm. IF it is just their (and your?) presumption that they'll lose leverage with other players' contracts (be it future #1s (of which we have none for 2 yrs, btw) or other picks this year (of which there's only one not signed right now), or all draft picks till the end of time), then I maintain my original stance.

Long work day so I can't comprehend how to respond but each contract is different but just my guess is that if the Redskins allow no-offset language in the contract (they pay all) for RG3, going forward it's safe to assume that future draft picks will want the same thing b/c RG3 got it and most likely hold out. The agent doesn't want it in the contract so that he can then say, I got the #2 pick a fully guaranteed contract. RG3 shouldn't care if it's in there or not b/c if he's a true competitor and really confident, he'll look at what Drew Brees was just paid and say, this is peanuts compared to what I will get paid.

According to 1nik's link, it only applies to first rounders, of which we don't have any until 2015.

You may be right. I skimmed the article.

frankcal20 wrote:You may be right. I skimmed the article.

It's a NFL issue NOT just the Redskins and RGIII's agent.

With the top 10 2012 draft picks all fighting for the same thing and all of them hitting a brick wall it's starting to look like collusion. But being a Redskins fan my few may be skewed.

frankcal20 wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I agree with you but keep in mind that this offset language applies to all draft picks. Not just RG3. Like Josh LeRibus all the way down to the 7th round pick.

Hang on. Are you saying that if they allow the offset language into griffin's K, they are legally mandated (by CBA) to put it into every other pick's K (either this year or every year after)? Or are you saying that If they give on the OFfset language with their presumed franchise qb that other draft picks will want to argue that a precedent has been set and they should get it to.

I thought you were saying the latter previously, but now it sounds as if you are saying the former. If it is the former, my bad, I missed that and I change my stance, Skins should hold firm. IF it is just their (and your?) presumption that they'll lose leverage with other players' contracts (be it future #1s (of which we have none for 2 yrs, btw) or other picks this year (of which there's only one not signed right now), or all draft picks till the end of time), then I maintain my original stance.

Long work day so I can't comprehend how to respond but each contract is different but just my guess is that if the Redskins allow no-offset language in the contract (they pay all) for RG3, going forward it's safe to assume that future draft picks will want the same thing b/c RG3 got it and most likely hold out. The agent doesn't want it in the contract so that he can then say, I got the #2 pick a fully guaranteed contract. RG3 shouldn't care if it's in there or not b/c if he's a true competitor and really confident, he'll look at what Drew Brees was just paid and say, this is peanuts compared to what I will get paid.

Got it. That's what I originally thought.