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I just thought of Banks' pass to Moss. Maybe you should poll each category ... or not.

DarthMonk

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Definitely a cool idea, good job SLR... I think we won't see a lot of variation but I might have a good point on O.

Yeah, there won't be a lot of variation and therefore it'll lack debate a little bit, which is another reason why I was a little slow doing it. I mean 3 or 4 of the categories are nailed on. But then I thought, well that's the case for this season, but if we have multiple candidates for each category next year then it's another way to mark our progress.

Next time I'm gonna add a 'Most Improved Player' category. The funny thing is with the turnover we've had we couldn't really have it this time round, know what I mean...? Who would you have? Davis or Reilly maybe but it's weak. Last season we had 11 rookies involved and a number of new recruits, only a handful featured in the previous season. It's a category that requires stability and we're evolving radically!

But at the risk of sounding like SJ, we're getting there!

How about a "Most Regressed Player" -

My first thoughts were Rex, but Rex was just being Rex.

Beck? He looked good in relief against Philly, but since he never looked good as a starter, I couldn't seriously say that he regressed.

Armstrong was my next serious thought, but QB woes could be his excuse

Ryan Torain is my guy. After a fine 2010 campaign and after that stellar performance in St. Louis, who could have predicted that Torain would be healthy and no longer on the team (NFL.com - showing that he is with Carolina right now)?

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I think a lot of the players on D improved through the year... Bowen, Carriker, Golston, Riley, and Wilson.

On O the whole O line improved especially with injuries and rookies but I truly think Trent stepped it up big.. he was owning d ware bit the suspension would take that award away. Same for Davis.
Basically I agree a lot of new faces and a lot of up and down play. I'd vote Riley on D and water boy on O... Oh wait I don't want to give Becksy a vote, umm.... BB. Saw the field a few times on offense put up a rushing td, aswell as passing. The first of course called back on some of that ol bs.

I agree that Bowen and Wilson improved as the season went along, but since they weren't on the team in 2010, I don't think that they meet SLR's rules for this unofficial award.

As far as improved from last year, I agree that Carriker and Riley should be candidates, but my guy is Lichtensteiger. He was horrible at the beginning of last year but was said to the the O line leader until he got hurt.

DarthMonk wrote:I just thought of Banks' pass to Moss. Maybe you should poll each category ... or not.

DarthMonk

I had an after thought about the Banks pass as well. That was one heck of a play and against the Pats as well.

I almost changed my vote from Kerrigan, but I thought back to the moment of each and how I felt when the play happened. As someone mentioned earlier, Kerrigan had to fend off the guy trying to cut him. Bat the ball. Find the ball. Catch the ball and then keep his balance and run into the end zone. The TD, if I remember correctly, broke a tie game and we never looked back. Winning the game seals the deal for me that, Kerrigan's play is tops over the Bank's play.

Helu's play still is a close second for me.

I agree with all three of your posts..

I was on the all Torain train after last year and had high hopes, he just fell off horribly. Triple A played like total poop aswell, even though Rex couldn't throw the ball far enough he also had some big drops.

Rocky on D bit the Wang pretty hard too...

I also thought about adding Kory to the list, but being injured almost half the season doesn't help his case. He was looking good though that's for sure.

The best play is tough for me.. I'd say the banks reverse that got called back was just as exciting as his pass, and Helus was right there with that leap over a defender.
Not to take anything away from Kerrigan, but that was as much skill as luck. Kind of like a hole in one. Ya u are aiming for it but the gods have to give you a little grace IMO.. it was a great individual effort but happened once, vs bb continuing to make great plays w his speed, u know what I mean?

Evan Roysters 5.9 yards per carry go unnoticed by a lot of fans.. He put up 328 yards on 56 carries over half the yards of Helu 640 in a little less then one THIRD of Helus 151 carries. Evan could be the doode come November. Stats here

Http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Evan Roysters 5.9 yards per carry go unnoticed by a lot of fans.. He put up 328 yards on 56 carries over half the yards of Helu 640 in a little less then one THIRD of Helus 151 carries. Evan could be the doode come November. Stats here

Http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

He's got speed and power. I like Helu, but expect Royster to replace him as the number one back. I don't expect to see a lot of Hightower unless there are injuries.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I agree with all three of your posts..

I was on the all Torain train after last year and had high hopes, he just fell off horribly. Triple A played like total poop aswell, even though Rex couldn't throw the ball far enough he also had some big drops.

Rocky on D bit the Wang pretty hard too...

I also thought about adding Kory to the list, but being injured almost half the season doesn't help his case. He was looking good though that's for sure.

The best play is tough for me.. I'd say the banks reverse that got called back was just as exciting as his pass, and Helus was right there with that leap over a defender.
Not to take anything away from Kerrigan, but that was as much skill as luck. Kind of like a hole in one. Ya u are aiming for it but the gods have to give you a little grace IMO.. it was a great individual effort but happened once, vs bb continuing to make great plays w his speed, u know what I mean?

Forgot about Rocky - that was tragic.

I did like the Banks reverse more than the TD pass as well, because for me, there is nothing like watching pure speed running down a sideline with the guy coming with the angle getting left in the dust. Since it was called back, I am not sure that it counts as a play since by NFL standards, it was no play.


No doubt on the Kerrigan play, the football gods had to help him out on that play - anytime a there is a deflection, there is luck at play; however, the category was "Best Play" and not individual effort for a season.

To me it is irrelevant that there was lucky bounce for Kerrigan, it was all part of the play and that was one of the reasons it was special. When you are getting those lucky bounces, it is nice to know that the football gods are with you - think about the MNF game against Dallas when all those fumbles bounced back to Dallas.

That he didn't do it again is also irrelevant for the category of Best Play. He, Kerrigan, a rookie, playing his first game, played the play like a veteran. He had to recognize from the cut block that that pass was coming. He shed the block, stayed on his feet, jumped to deflect the pass, gods smiled on him - pass was catchable, he finds the ball, and catches it on the run and scores.
The play turns the tide of a tie game and we never look back.

Real quick and tell me if anyone agrees with this, if you disagree just shut up bout it.

If Hightower didn't get hurt he would've been an all-pro RB.

My reasoning is.. we rely so heavily on the RB position.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Real quick and tell me if anyone agrees with this, if you disagree just shut up bout it.

If Hightower didn't get hurt he would've been an all-pro RB.

My reasoning is.. we rely so heavily on the RB position.

^^^ THIS ^^^



And if he stays fit he will be next season. Helu and Royster will be taking notes and supporting.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Real quick and tell me if anyone agrees with this, if you disagree just shut up bout it.

If Hightower didn't get hurt he would've been an all-pro RB.

My reasoning is.. we rely so heavily on the RB position.

Well, he wasn't finding the holes as well as Helu and Royster and then there was that St Louis Rams game in which ... Oh, I am sorry, I was supposed to shut up! :

Wait a minute, LPJ - In his last game, Hightower was on his way to a season high rushing day. He was finally finding those holes - 5.2 rushing avg. That might have been the beginning of a break out season. You might have something here.

Sun 10/23
@ CAR
L 20-33 17 88 5.2
Sun 10/2
@ STL
W 17-10 8 24 3.0
Mon 9/26
@ DAL
L 16-18 14 41 2.9
Sun 9/18
vsARI
W 22-21 20 96 4.8
Sun 9/11
vsNYG
W 28-14 25 72 2.9

Red_One43 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Real quick and tell me if anyone agrees with this, if you disagree just shut up bout it.

If Hightower didn't get hurt he would've been an all-pro RB.

My reasoning is.. we rely so heavily on the RB position.

Well, he wasn't finding the holes as well as Helu and Royster and then there was that St Louis Rams game in which ... Oh, I am sorry, I was supposed to shut up! :

Wait a minute, LPJ - In his last game, Hightower was on his way to a season high rushing day. He was finally finding those holes - 5.2 rushing avg. That might have been the beginning of a break out season. You might have something here.

Sun 10/23
@ CAR
L 20-33 17 88 5.2
Sun 10/2
@ STL
W 17-10 8 24 3.0
Mon 9/26
@ DAL
L 16-18 14 41 2.9
Sun 9/18
vsARI
W 22-21 20 96 4.8
Sun 9/11
vsNYG
W 28-14 25 72 2.9

..but the committee thing always seems to work for Shanahan and all 3 of our guys are more than capable. Hopefully they'll be able to sub in/out and stay healthy.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Evan Roysters 5.9 yards per carry go unnoticed by a lot of fans.. He put up 328 yards on 56 carries over half the yards of Helu 640 in a little less then one THIRD of Helus 151 carries. Evan could be the doode come November. Stats here

Http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

He's got speed and power. I like Helu, but expect Royster to replace him as the number one back. I don't expect to see a lot of Hightower unless there are injuries.

I wouldn't exactly say that Royster has speed at 4.65 in the 40, but he proved to be shifty and hard to bring down when attempts at tackling him up high were made.

Helu, at one point had a 4.9 yrd avg and with stiff run competition and injuries, his average dipped. Could Royster have sustained that average throughout the season? Not likely because the Pats, Vikes and Eagles weren't exactly run stuffing defenses.

langleyparkjoe wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Real quick and tell me if anyone agrees with this, if you disagree just shut up bout it.

If Hightower didn't get hurt he would've been an all-pro RB.

My reasoning is.. we rely so heavily on the RB position.

Well, he wasn't finding the holes as well as Helu and Royster and then there was that St Louis Rams game in which ... Oh, I am sorry, I was supposed to shut up! :

Wait a minute, LPJ - In his last game, Hightower was on his way to a season high rushing day. He was finally finding those holes - 5.2 rushing avg. That might have been the beginning of a break out season. You might have something here.

Sun 10/23
@ CAR
L 20-33 17 88 5.2
Sun 10/2
@ STL
W 17-10 8 24 3.0
Mon 9/26
@ DAL
L 16-18 14 41 2.9
Sun 9/18
vsARI
W 22-21 20 96 4.8
Sun 9/11
vsNYG
W 28-14 25 72 2.9

..but the committee thing always seems to work for Shanahan and all 3 of our guys are more than capable. Hopefully they'll be able to sub in/out and stay healthy.

agreed

It's great we've got all three of them, there's every chance we're gonna need all three of them, injuries are so common amongst RBs now.

They all look capable to me, all offer that little something different from each other.

I'd like to see them all get good time out there. Rotating three RBs keeps them fresh, reduces their chances of injury, and keeps the defense guessing amongst other things.

It'd be nice if all three have 600 yard seasons.

[quote="Red_One43"][quote="crazyhorse1"][quote="cowboykillerzRED"]Evan Roysters 5.9 yards per carry go unnoticed by a lot of fans.. He put up 328 yards on 56 carries over half the yards of Helu 640 in a little less then one THIRD of Helus 151 carries. Evan could be the doode come November. Stats here

Http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins[/quote]

He's got speed and power. I like Helu, but expect Royster to replace him as the number one back. I don't expect to see a lot of Hightower unless there are injuries.[/quote]

I wouldn't exactly say that Royster has speed at 4.65 in the 40, but he proved to be shifty and hard to bring down when attempts at tackling him up high were made.

Helu, at one point had a 4.9 yrd avg and with stiff run competition and injuries, his average dipped. Could Royster have sustained that average throughout the season? Not likely because the Pats, Vikes and Eagles weren't exactly run stuffing defenses.[/quote]

He has power speed.. not quickness but does have speed and strength. He also ran a 4.53 at the combine. While Helus 4.40 avg is better then 4.6 helu also put up a 4.5~. A hundredth of a second or two without pads is hardly a case for either. I really like Helu but Rotated is the all time leading rusher at Penn state for a reason. Maybe its not break away speed but more vision and strength can be a better skill set at rb.. now most wide outs is take speed over strength, rb not so much. Having both, for cheap, is a big plus. Hightower is off and on but a great blocker, probably be the third down back with the coaches playing who's hot between the other two as number one.

Anyway, BOT...

In response to some earlier points, yes the 'Most Improved Player' award would be for players that were here the previous season at least and would be in respect to performances above what was generally expected from them. Last season that only really gives us Carricker and Riley as genuine candidates for the reasons mentioned before, which isn't enough to justify adding it this time I think, so we'll add that in for the end of next season.

Kory would probably have walked away with it had he been able to walk beyond week 5! An injury for more than half the season should nulify any potential award I think.

I don't like the idea of 'Most Regressed Player' or 'Biggest Disappointment' as that's a negative in what should be a set of positve awards to aknowledge hard work and accomplishment in the B&G. But if y'all want it we'll bring it in (Democracy in action!).

The Banks reverse isn't a contender for 'Play of the Season' as it was indeed called back, so therefore wasn't a play. (Banks must wake up at night screaming 'HOLDING!?! I'LL GIVE YOU HOLDING!!!')

As far as polls go, I decided to have an open vote rather than offer a selection to choose from as I want this to be truly from the fans and reflect every individuals feelings and opinions, not those that perhaps I think you're likly to feel, if you get me.

When the voting time is up I'll just get a pen and paper and chalk 'em all up and then announce each winner.

Cheers guys.

[quote="Red_One43"][quote="crazyhorse1"][quote="cowboykillerzRED"]Evan Roysters 5.9 yards per carry go unnoticed by a lot of fans.. He put up 328 yards on 56 carries over half the yards of Helu 640 in a little less then one THIRD of Helus 151 carries. Evan could be the doode come November. Stats here

Http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins[/quote]

He's got speed and power. I like Helu, but expect Royster to replace him as the number one back. I don't expect to see a lot of Hightower unless there are injuries.[/quote]

I wouldn't exactly say that Royster has speed at 4.65 in the 40, but he proved to be shifty and hard to bring down when attempts at tackling him up high were made.

Helu, at one point had a 4.9 yrd avg and with stiff run competition and injuries, his average dipped. Could Royster have sustained that average throughout the season? Not likely because the Pats, Vikes and Eagles weren't exactly run stuffing defenses.[/quote]

He has power speed.. not quickness but does have speed and strength. He also ran a 4.53 at the combine. While Helus 4.40 avg is better then 4.6 helu also put up a 4.5~. A hundredth of a second or two without pads is hardly a case for either. I really like Helu but Rotated is the all time leading rusher at Penn state for a reason. Maybe its not break away speed but more vision and strength can be a better skill set at rb.. now most wide outs is take speed over strength, rb not so much. Having both, for cheap, is a big plus. Hightower is off and on but a great blocker, probably be the third down back with the coaches playing who's hot between the other two as number one.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Evan Roysters 5.9 yards per carry go unnoticed by a lot of fans.. He put up 328 yards on 56 carries over half the yards of Helu 640 in a little less then one THIRD of Helus 151 carries. Evan could be the doode come November. Stats here

Http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/nam ... n-redskins

He's got speed and power. I like Helu, but expect Royster to replace him as the number one back. I don't expect to see a lot of Hightower unless there are injuries.

I wouldn't exactly say that Royster has speed at 4.65 in the 40, but he proved to be shifty and hard to bring down when attempts at tackling him up high were made.

Helu, at one point had a 4.9 yrd avg and with stiff run competition and injuries, his average dipped. Could Royster have sustained that average throughout the season? Not likely because the Pats, Vikes and Eagles weren't exactly run stuffing defenses.

He has power speed.. not quickness but does have speed and strength. He also ran a 4.53 at the combine. While Helus 4.40 avg is better then 4.6 helu also put up a 4.5~. A hundredth of a second or two without pads is hardly a case for either. I really like Helu but Rotated is the all time leading rusher at Penn state for a reason. Maybe its not break away speed but more vision and strength can be a better skill set at rb.. now most wide outs is take speed over strength, rb not so much. Having both, for cheap, is a big plus. Hightower is off and on but a great blocker, probably be the third down back with the coaches playing who's hot between the other two as number one.

Royster's official combine time was 4.65. His low was a 4.53, but his high was a 4.75.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... &genpos=RB

Riley definitely should get some defensive accolades, but I'm not sure how you squeeze him in with London leading the league in tackles. Though Perry didn't play a full season. He certainly gets the most improved from me. Kerrigan has to be defensive ROY. Helu or Royster for offensive ROY? I think Kerrigan's INT for play of the year (first game of the season ). Gronkowski for opposition player.

Sorry for the earlier thread jacking SLR meant to add that last bit to the new rb thread.

Back on topic, I'm surprised no one has seconded my vote for the pukes kicker.. scored ALL their points in game one, won game two... Being our arch rivals I can't see anyone beating him.. Ya gronk had a great game and got the record vs us, but would have gotten it anyway. Just my 2 cents.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Back on topic, I'm surprised no one has seconded my vote for the pukes kicker.. scored ALL their points in game one, won game two... Being our arch rivals I can't see anyone beating him.. Ya gronk had a great game and got the record vs us, but would have gotten it anyway. Just my 2 cents.

I won't ever vote for a Cowpie, especially for a best of category!

Daaaaannnng u had to pull that card huh? Did gronk piss you off as much as bueler or what ever his name is?
That's my point.
We SHOULD have won both puke games and COULD have won the pats game...
I care more that we lost to the pukes not the pats....
I opened the door to that one no doubt, ya got meh.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:We SHOULD have won both puke games

Exactly! It wasn't like the guy had a great game or anything. He even missed a kick in one of the games. If Gano hadn't also missed, we win.

Yaaaa he had one blocked game one to lose by a point I think, then missed the long one in ot game two. I see what you are saying tho.. jus wanted them to miss more then us.

As far gronk, he didn't throw it to himself, and certainly couldn't be accountable for players giving up on the play...