Coughlin gets extended - are he or the giants going anywhere

[SouthLondonRedskin]

*good qb. Yes. Great amazing elite? Non of the above. His receivers have carried him most if not all of their winning seasons. That same pass that salsa Cruz cought is dropped or ob by a large majority of receivers. I personally thought it was bobbling around and not a catch.

Oh and... Id take shanny and co over any other coaching staff in the east. I hope he proves why sooner then later but for what he was handed to what we now have speaks enough for the guy

I whole-heartedly agree with the above sentiment

Or

What he said ^^

[skinsfan#33]

*good qb. Yes. Great amazing elite? Non of the above. His receivers have carried him most if not all of their winning seasons.

This is just a big jug of haterade! Eli is defiantly in the great category. Maybe even elite. How many QBs do you put in the great category. Is Eli to five for you. Is he top ten? I'm talking current players not all time. You could make a case he is better than his brother.

He has good WR, but not great. It isn't like he has Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in their prime. Or Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Personally, I think he is a top five QB. In no particular order you have Brady, Rodgers, Eli, Breeze, and I guess Peyton still. Yes I have Eli ahead of big Ben, Rivers, and Cutler.

[skinsfan#33]

*good qb. Yes. Great amazing elite? Non of the above. His receivers have carried him most if not all of their winning seasons.

This is just a big jug of haterade! Eli is defiantly in the great category. Maybe even elite. How many QBs do you put in the great category. Is Eli to five for you. Is he top ten? I'm talking current players not all time. You could make a case he is better than his brother.

He has good WR, but not great. It isn't like he has Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in their prime. Or Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Personally, I think he is a top five QB. In no particular order you have Brady, Rodgers, Eli, Breeze, and I guess Peyton still. Yes I have Eli ahead of big Ben, Rivers, and Cutler.

[Deadskins]

No way. Eli isn't in the same category as Peyton. I'm not sure I've ever even seen him audible, much less call the entire game. The G-strings are kept in games on the strength of their defense, not because of Eli.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Bom.



Roastsed.

I will only concede he had good 4th quarter numbers last year.
Chomo was "top five" statistically last year, does that mean he is? I think u see.my point.
One sack or int Eli puts on his cry baby little brother face and is all pouty where big bro pulls his pants up and gets a td the next.possession.
Good yes. Great no. Elite ferget it.
I'd take a lot of qbs before Eli at least ten.

[SkinsJock]

... Eli is defiantly in the great category. Maybe even elite. How many QBs do you put in the great category. Is Eli top five for you. Is he top ten? I'm talking current players not all time. You could make a case he is better than his brother.

Personally, I think he is a top five QB. In no particular order you have Brady, Rodgers, Eli, Breeze, and I guess Peyton still. Yes I have Eli ahead of big Ben, Rivers, and Cutler.

Eli is a good QB - Peyton is a great QB

that's not hating - that's a fact

there is no Breeze playing QB


Eli is a good QB but he's not a great QB - I doubt he ever makes it to great - Peyton's a HOF QB

wait and see - I'll be happy to say I was wrong but I'll be even happier to know that Eli's not going in the HOF

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I'm with ya again sj... Prepared to eat crow, but pretty sure ill be cheersing rgiii with a tuducken!

[skinsfan#33]

Eli is a good QB - Peyton is a great QB

that's not hating - that's a fact

Actually, that is an opinion.

there is no Breeze playing QB

Whatever, you know who I was referring to!

Eli's not going in the HOF

I wouldn't put too much money on that. If Aikman can make it on Eli certainly has a very good chance. Yes I do think Eli is better than Aikman was.

[SkinsJock]

no worries - I doubt that many would agree with you about Eli being a better QB than Troy

Troy did have some great weapons but he deserves to be in the HOF - I doubt that Eli gets in based on what he's done

I just don't see him as being great - good yes, but not HOF ....... yet

he could surprise me - he already has

[langleyparkjoe]

<-- with SF33 on this one.

Eli is playing GREAT football the last couple of years and he's been improving.

Peyton is not a great QB at all.

Him, Breezie, and Brady deserve a category ABOVE great.. yes, that's my opinion but I honestly believe that!!

Eli and Rogers IMO are great QBs but still a step down from the ones above.

[SkinsJock]

And this from Countertrey in another thread

True story...
Quote from a friend who, regretably, is a Giants fan: "Don't get me wrong... I love that we won the Superbowl... but, just like the last time, the downside is that we are now stuck with Coughlin and Manning for another 2 years... again! This sucks!"

All I could do was LOL

maybe you guys are right but I'll gurantee there are a huge number of giants fans that don't like Coughlin at all

and there are a lot of giants fans that don't like Eli

I love the fact that the giants have these 2 to witness the Redskins being a better team again

it's going to happen soon

[langleyparkjoe]

you win 2 SBs wit a coach and a qb and you complain about them?

Dag, I thought OUR expectations were incredibly high!! Good grief!!

[SkinsJock]

the fact is that Coughlin is not highly regarded as a HC - he lost 2 games to the Redskins last season that he should not have lost - the opening game is almost a must win game and the 2nd game was a must win game they lost

that does not happen if you are a very good coach and you have the better group of players

Eli's good but he's not great and he's a bit of a crybaby

all the fans that like Coughlin and Eli are in for a little surprise - they're not closer to winning another Super Bowl - I'd rather have Mike and RGIII

[Giants1977]

It boggles my mind that when the GIANTS win we are the luckiest team in the world. Why is the same analogy given to the Patriots they won 3 Super Bowls at the last minute with field goals. In that regards, why isn't the Steelers lucky when they beat the Cards with the last minute drive and tip toe by Santonio Holmes. I understand, it's the hatred you have cause ya'll haven't won squat and bask in the glow of beating us twice. But I will give you losing twice to ya'll if it means winning more super bowls

[Countertrey]

Boggled minds seems to be the constant in G-strings land...

[SkinsJock]

It boggles my mind that when the GIANTS win we are the luckiest team in the world. Why is the same analogy given to the Patriots they won 3 Super Bowls at the last minute with field goals. In that regards, why isn't the Steelers lucky when they beat the Cards with the last minute drive and tip toe by Santonio Holmes. I understand, it's the hatred you have cause ya'll haven't won squat and bask in the glow of beating us twice. But I will give you losing twice to ya'll if it means winning more super bowls

welcome to the best site for Redskins fans

The giants were not lucky to win the 2 games against the Patriots - they deserved to win both games

fact is they were just not the best team in the NFL in either season

The giants could win another but I doubt it will be with Coughlin

I don't know about the others here but I don't hate the giants because of their recent success
I just flat out hate the sports teams from NY especially the skankees and the giants

I don't hate Mara - he's scum - that's just a fact

[skinsfan#33]

fact is they were just not the best team in the NFL in either season.

I'm sorry SJ that is an opinion, not fact.

I don't hate Mara - he's scum - that's just a fact

Now that is a fact! However, I do hate the cheating beady eyed bastard of a thief! I wish he and his butt buddy would GodaHell!

[SkinsJock]

actually - they're both opinions

aside from giants fans .... there are not many that would disagree



I'm not taking anything away from the 2 wins - they have the Super Bowl trophies - done deal

I'm only stirring the pot a little by pointing out that in both seasons the giants were not considered the best team in the NFL

I'm not implying they were lucky to win - they played well

that is over, past tense, history - just like the Redskins of the past 10 + years



my opinion is that the giants do not win another Super Bowl under Coughlin because he's not a great HC and Eli is just a good QB he's not a great QB

I'm glad we have Mike and RGIII - my opinion, is that over the next 3 years, both will be better than Coughlin and Eli

btw - that's just my opinion, in case there's any doubt

[SkinsJock]

AND now this

I'm sure Mara will see to it that his butt buddy makes sure that Diehl does not miss any time

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-o ... d-with-dwi

[skinsfan#33]

actually - they're both opinions

About the opinion comments I made. Obviously I knew both of your comments in the previous post were opinions - just trying to make light of the second one. Also, if you just state something like "Mara's a pud" then I obviously know that is your opinion (and I agree), but if you say something is a "fact", then you have crossed out of opinion territory. Unless, of course you say something like, "It is a fact that every Giants fan is compensating for their Mike and Ike sized wedding tackle and are upset about having blue testicles". That I would just take as a joke.

I'm not taking anything away from the 2 wins - they have the Super Bowl trophies - done deal

I'm only stirring the pot a little by pointing out that in both seasons the giants were not considered the best team in the NFL

I would agree with that DURING the season, but by the time the SB's rolled around I would think that many would have to agree that if not the best, they were one of the best.

Weren't they favored for the last SB?

And didn't they almost break up the Pats 16-0 run in week 17 of the 2007 season? They had the Patsies on the ropes and they were furtunate to pull out the win. Then the Giants completely dominated them (defensively) in the SB.

I think the team playing the best football at the end of both of those seasons won the SBs.

my opinion is that the giants do not win another Super Bowl under Coughlin because he's not a great HC and Eli is just a good QB he's not a great QB

I have to disagree with your assessment of ELI! That is hard for me to say since he is a Giant and looks like one of Jerry's kids sometimes when things don't go right.
To me he is a top five QB. Maybe we don't have any great QBs in the NFL any more, but he is right up there with his brother (now with age and bum neck on his shoulders), he is at least as good as Brees and Rodgers, close to Brady, and better than all the rest.

You probably will be right about the Giants and Coughlin (that just odds, nothing else)!

I'm glad we have Mike and RGIII - my opinion, is that over the next 3 years, both will be better than Coughlin and Eli

I hope you're right, but I would settle for just as good.

[SkinsJock]

no worries - we just feel different about this - see the disclaimer below


there is no doubt that the giants played well and I understand your points

I just feel that in looking at the whole 2011 season the giants were not as good as a number of other teams

however - I do feel that they were as good or maybe slightly better than the Patriots

However looking at the season before the first SB between these 2 teams the giants were IMO a better team than last season but not nearly as good as the Patriots

I don't consider luck in judging how a team plays

I am so glad that they have Coughlin for a couple more years at least
I am looking forward to them seeing that he's not even close to being a very good HC

eli's just a good QB and RGIII will prove to be even better




Im am also VERY biased against everything and anything to do with the giants

that is just me and I will not give them credit for much at all

[Giants1977]

So Skins Jock based on your assertion that the Giants weren't the better team, do you have the same feeling towards the Packers, and Patriots when they won they're SB recently?

[SkinsJock]

So Skins Jock based on your assertion that the Giants weren't the better team, do you have the same feeling towards the Packers, and Patriots when they won they're SB recently?

for the most part the recent games were won by teams that were amongst the best for the season


last season, the giants were not that good - there were 2 games last season that the giants wanted very much to win
the first game of the season and the second game against the Redskins when they desparately needed a win
good teams and good HCs find ways to get that done

I do not think we'll win the NFC East but I doubt the giants do either - we're improving but the giants will have 6 tough games with the NFC East teams this season

I just don't like Coughlin much and while I think eli's good, he's not very good and he's a bit of a crybaby

[skinsfan#33]

I am so glad that they have Coughlin for a couple more years at least
I am looking forward to them seeing that he's not even close to being a very good HC

OK, I can Under stand the "Giant" bias you have against Caughlin, but lets just say he left Jacksonville and had gotten to San Diego instead.
And hypathetically he had won two SB, had a 7 and 3 playoff record, and had won 20 more game in eight seasons than he had lost with the Chargers and only had one losing season (his first) in those eight years!

You combine that with the fact that he got the expansion Jaguar to the AFC Championship game in their SECOND year and followed that up with three more playof appearances. Yes, that is right he took the Jaguars, an expansion team, to the play offs 4 out of his first 5 seasons coaching them. He did this with Mark Brunell, whom in his prime wasn't anything special at QB.

Try to put your bias asside and answer this objectively, honestly, just between us, do you really think Coughlin isn't a very good coach? Because, he currently has a HoF type resume. If he wins one more, he is a lock! I could make a case he is better than Parcells and Bellicheat.

[SkinsJock]

I did not like Coughlin when he was with the Jaguars - I felt he could have done better if he'd adjusted his attitude towards his players and his staff

to his credit he's adjusted in NY and would not be there now if he had not

I'll agree that Coughlin has a HOF resume and he could get in based on that - there are many that are not in the HOF based on better resumes

I'll also agree that if the giants were to win another ring - he'd be a shoo in

that's all past tense - the NY media was ballistic about this guy last season and that was after his great job in taking down the unbeaten Pats

I just don't see that happening again in the near future and he'll be gone soon

we get back to the basics - he's not going to be in another Super Bowl soon because he's not good enough and the NY media will crucify him

so we go round and round - there's just too many obstacles to overcome and that's a cruel town to be a beady eyed rodent