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DarthMonk wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:So many people forget how bad a throw that first TD was. It was so far off target that that idiot Roy Williams ran past where the ball went because he was running to where the balk souls have been.

I disagree completely. A defender over ran it but the ball hit him in stride. He threw into double coverage but to say that ball was "so far off target" is flat out wrong.

DarthMonk

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You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

The thread title is "The Arm" and we're talking about a pass by Mark Brunell?

I'm looking foward to the deep passing game returning to the skins offense and with a good running attack it should be awesome.

I love hearing the vets already talking about "the arm" guess all those highlights of griff throwing it deep in college where the real deal.

I read an article talking about his second season at baylor after his knee injury and how griff and his dad spent time behind the tennis court with griff throwing for hours perfecting his throwing motion because he wanted to be a pocket passer first qb and not a run first qb. The result 70 yard lasers with deadly accuracy.

skinsfan#33 wrote:You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

My last comment on this one. Here is an accurate breakdown. Watch the film.

Moss lines up 2 yards outside the numbers at the 40. He runs straight down field. He fakes in then out then heads upfield slanting in slightly. He has a step on his man who is also to the outside. Brunell leads him to the inside which, as you say, he does not have to do. You are overplaying the "spectacular adjustment" card. He simply veers in a little and clearly catches the ball in stride. This is an easy adjustment - nothing spectacular about it. He did not slow down nor did he dive. He caught it in stride. He moved in a few yards. Another defender is not tracking the ball and over runs it. Was the throw perfect? No. Was it horrible? No. Did it hit him in stride? Yes.

I'd say you could call it an overly careful throw that did not take the other defender into account. Brunell got a little lucky. A slighlty better throw may have been knocked down.

The only reason anyone would ever call it a bad throw is because the other defender leaves his man and almost knocks it down. QBs lead guys away from beaten defenders all the time.

Whateva. Starting to live there and wanting to get more current as someone else suggested.

DarthMonk

DarthMonk wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

My last comment on this one. Here is an accurate breakdown. Watch the film.

Moss lines up 2 yards outside the numbers at the 40. He runs straight down field. He fakes in then out then heads upfield slanting in slightly. He has a step on his man who is also to the outside. Brunell leads him to the inside which, as you say, he does not have to do. You are overplaying the "spectacular adjustment" card. He simply veers in a little and clearly catches the ball in stride. This is an easy adjustment - nothing spectacular about it. He did not slow down nor did he dive. He caught it in stride. He moved in a few yards. Another defender is not tracking the ball and over runs it. Was the throw perfect? No. Was it horrible? No. Did it hit him in stride? Yes.

I'd say you could call it an overly careful throw that did not take the other defender into account. Brunell got a little lucky. A slighlty better throw may have been knocked down.

The only reason anyone would ever call it a bad throw is because the other defender leaves his man and almost knocks it down. QBs lead guys away from beaten defenders all the time.

Whateva. Starting to live there and wanting to get more current as someone else suggested.

DarthMonk

You're still wrong, on your entire breakdown, but I will let it go.

I am excited to have a QB that was a excellent downfield passer in college, looks like he is in camp, and should be on the pros. We really haven't had a QB since Rypien that had an arm and could regularly hit a receiver down field. No one hits a receiver on every deep pass, but it would be nice to connect on at least 50%. We haven't had that since Brad Johnson and the 99 season, but his arm want exactly a cannon and it only lasted a year (for us).

DarthMonk wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

My last comment on this one. Here is an accurate breakdown. Watch the film.

Moss lines up 2 yards outside the numbers at the 40. He runs straight down field. He fakes in then out then heads upfield slanting in slightly. He has a step on his man who is also to the outside. Brunell leads him to the inside which, as you say, he does not have to do. You are overplaying the "spectacular adjustment" card. He simply veers in a little and clearly catches the ball in stride. This is an easy adjustment - nothing spectacular about it. He did not slow down nor did he dive. He caught it in stride. He moved in a few yards. Another defender is not tracking the ball and over runs it. Was the throw perfect? No. Was it horrible? No. Did it hit him in stride? Yes.

I'd say you could call it an overly careful throw that did not take the other defender into account. Brunell got a little lucky. A slighlty better throw may have been knocked down.

The only reason anyone would ever call it a bad throw is because the other defender leaves his man and almost knocks it down. QBs lead guys away from beaten defenders all the time.

Whateva. Starting to live there and wanting to get more current as someone else suggested.

DarthMonk

You're still wrong, on your entire breakdown, but I will let it go.

I am excited to have a QB that was a excellent downfield passer in college, looks like he is in camp, and should be on the pros. We really haven't had a QB since Rypien that had an arm and could regularly hit a receiver down field. No one hits a receiver on every deep pass, but it would be nice to connect on at least 50%. We haven't had that since Brad Johnson and the 99 season, but his arm want exactly a cannon and it only lasted a year (for us).

DarthMonk wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

My last comment on this one. Here is an accurate breakdown. Watch the film.

Moss lines up 2 yards outside the numbers at the 40. He runs straight down field. He fakes in then out then heads upfield slanting in slightly. He has a step on his man who is also to the outside. Brunell leads him to the inside which, as you say, he does not have to do. You are overplaying the "spectacular adjustment" card. He simply veers in a little and clearly catches the ball in stride. This is an easy adjustment - nothing spectacular about it. He did not slow down nor did he dive. He caught it in stride. He moved in a few yards. Another defender is not tracking the ball and over runs it. Was the throw perfect? No. Was it horrible? No. Did it hit him in stride? Yes.

I'd say you could call it an overly careful throw that did not take the other defender into account. Brunell got a little lucky. A slighlty better throw may have been knocked down.

The only reason anyone would ever call it a bad throw is because the other defender leaves his man and almost knocks it down. QBs lead guys away from beaten defenders all the time.

Whateva. Starting to live there and wanting to get more current as someone else suggested.

DarthMonk

Actually both passes were off the mark. Santana wound up going to the ground after making the first catch (something you don't have to do if the ball is perfectly placed), and he had to slow his stride to catch the second one just over his shoulder (not to his hands). Whatever though, they were two of the greatest plays of all time for me, and I will always love both players for making them.

Deadskins wrote:... Whatever though, they were two of the greatest plays of all time for me, and I will always love both players for making them.

for me too - I'll always remember how bad I felt before the first TD and then the next was just pure magic


I am looking forward to having a QB that can consistently make the throws that just demoralize an opponent like that

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:So many people forget how bad a throw that first TD was. It was so far off target that that idiot Roy Williams ran past where the ball went because he was running to where the balk souls have been.

I disagree completely. A defender over ran it but the ball hit him in stride. He threw into double coverage but to say that ball was "so far off target" is flat out wrong.

DarthMonk

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You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

Don't be that ... "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" guy. First, the only way you could actually know that the ball was 7-10 yards off target is if you were the guy throwing it. Secondly, it looks to me like Moss was running a deep post, not a go rout ... you can tell that by how he took his man in, then outside and then back inside. As he made is final move toward the post, you can see (in the second replay angle) MB was aiming at the post and not at Moss who was still at the numbers (10) when the ball was released, leading him as far inside as he could while still giving Moss a chance to make the catch, and remarkably, he caught it just on the right side of the post. Moss never had to sit down on the rout to wait for the ball to get there, BUT had MB thrown the ball where you are suggesting he should have thrown it, the chance for a completion would have been greatly reduced. The more a pass is thrown in a straight trajectory between the QB and WR, (such as straight down field ) the less room for error and the more perfect the throw has to be .... leading the guy, especially on a deep ball that's going to spend that much time in the air makes it far easier for the receiver go get the ball. And if you really look closely, you'll see that Roy W. is playing cover two ... he's biting on the slot, and then breaks back toward Moss and is playing Moss, not the ball, and simply got there a fraction early. That's why it looked like he "overran" the play ... he just miss timed the throw.

Had that ball been thrown 2 yards further outside, Williams would have caught it, and not Moss.

Great throw, great catch, great win, and I was there sitting in the end zone watching it happen! My only trip to Texas Stadium ever, sitting there wearing a Portis Jersey, in a nightmarish sea of blue.

RayNAustin wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:So many people forget how bad a throw that first TD was. It was so far off target that that idiot Roy Williams ran past where the ball went because he was running to where the balk souls have been.

I disagree completely. A defender over ran it but the ball hit him in stride. He threw into double coverage but to say that ball was "so far off target" is flat out wrong.

DarthMonk

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You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

Don't be that ... "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" guy. First, the only way you could actually know that the ball was 7-10 yards off target is if you were the guy throwing it. Secondly, it looks to me like Moss was running a deep post, not a go rout ... you can tell that by how he took his man in, then outside and then back inside. As he made is final move toward the post, you can see (in the second replay angle) MB was aiming at the post and not at Moss who was still at the numbers (10) when the ball was released, leading him as far inside as he could while still giving Moss a chance to make the catch, and remarkably, he caught it just on the right side of the post. Moss never had to sit down on the rout to wait for the ball to get there, BUT had MB thrown the ball where you are suggesting he should have thrown it, the chance for a completion would have been greatly reduced. The more a pass is thrown in a straight trajectory between the QB and WR, (such as straight down field ) the less room for error and the more perfect the throw has to be .... leading the guy, especially on a deep ball that's going to spend that much time in the air makes it far easier for the receiver go get the ball. And if you really look closely, you'll see that Roy W. is playing cover two ... he's biting on the slot, and then breaks back toward Moss and is playing Moss, not the ball, and simply got there a fraction early. That's why it looked like he "overran" the play ... he just miss timed the throw.

Had that ball been thrown 2 yards further outside, Williams would have caught it, and not Moss.

Great throw, great catch, great win, and I was there sitting in the end zone watching it happen! My only trip to Texas Stadium ever, sitting there wearing a Portis Jersey, in a nightmarish sea of blue.

You, sir, picked the right game. 3.75 quarters of pure misery, capped by a perfect euphoria. Excellent.

Robert Griffin > Mark Brunell

Next!

Redskin in Canada wrote:Mark Rypien comes to mind.

HOWEVER, I refuse to join in the celebration UNTIL we prove it on the field and under pressure.

Yes, the indications are right.

Yes, the comments by players and coaches are very positive.

Yes, he is saying all the right things.

No, it is not too good to be true. BUT ... until and when the proof is on the field during the regular season, I prefer not to sing anybody's praises.

I hear and read some of you say: I CAN'T WAIT. Well, I not only can but feel that we SHOULD (as difficult as that can be). There are new receivers, new QB, our RB is back, some OL and DL are back ... etc

There is a LOT to come into SYNC before the first game:

Practice makes perfect, the more practice, the more perfect

When the right time comes, I will try to cheer to the full strength of my lungs. In the meantime, I try to stay cool and patiently wait for my team to go to the field ... then it gets interesting.

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Right there with you.

As far as the RGIII > Brunell ---- I have NO CLUE how anyone can say that. RGIII has NEVER played an NFL game. Brunell, while HORRIBLE with the Skins, had a VERY good career with Jacksonville.

To say that RGIII is better than anyone outside of Rex Grossman is extremely presumptuous.

Enough about the arm...... did RGIII sign his rookie contract yet?

RayNAustin wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:So many people forget how bad a throw that first TD was. It was so far off target that that idiot Roy Williams ran past where the ball went because he was running to where the balk souls have been.

I disagree completely. A defender over ran it but the ball hit him in stride. He threw into double coverage but to say that ball was "so far off target" is flat out wrong.

DarthMonk

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You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

Don't be that ... "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" guy. First, the only way you could actually know that the ball was 7-10 yards off target is if you were the guy throwing it. Secondly, it looks to me like Moss was running a deep post, not a go rout ... you can tell that by how he took his man in, then outside and then back inside. As he made is final move toward the post, you can see (in the second replay angle) MB was aiming at the post and not at Moss who was still at the numbers (10) when the ball was released, leading him as far inside as he could while still giving Moss a chance to make the catch, and remarkably, he caught it just on the right side of the post. Moss never had to sit down on the rout to wait for the ball to get there, BUT had MB thrown the ball where you are suggesting he should have thrown it, the chance for a completion would have been greatly reduced. The more a pass is thrown in a straight trajectory between the QB and WR, (such as straight down field ) the less room for error and the more perfect the throw has to be .... leading the guy, especially on a deep ball that's going to spend that much time in the air makes it far easier for the receiver go get the ball. And if you really look closely, you'll see that Roy W. is playing cover two ... he's biting on the slot, and then breaks back toward Moss and is playing Moss, not the ball, and simply got there a fraction early. That's why it looked like he "overran" the play ... he just miss timed the throw.

Had that ball been thrown 2 yards further outside, Williams would have caught it, and not Moss.

Great throw, great catch, great win, and I was there sitting in the end zone watching it happen! My only trip to Texas Stadium ever, sitting there wearing a Portis Jersey, in a nightmarish sea of blue.

I was also sitting in the end zone. incredible. also enjoyed the hogs.net meet up before!!! Bloody Jerry Mix and hog balls.

RayNAustin wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:So many people forget how bad a throw that first TD was. It was so far off target that that idiot Roy Williams ran past where the ball went because he was running to where the balk souls have been.

I disagree completely. A defender over ran it but the ball hit him in stride. He threw into double coverage but to say that ball was "so far off target" is flat out wrong.

DarthMonk

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You can disagree all you want, but that first ball was not in stride! He had to change his route by 7-10 yards and go to the grid to catch. His route should have taken him straight down the seam, 3-4 yards outside of the numbers. Instead he had to cross the numbers and ended up 5 yards inside of the numbers. There was no reason to throw that ball back inside since Newman was beat like a red headed step child and the only thing throwing the ball that far inside did was allow Williams a chance to get into the play, but he gooned it!

That first TD was a spectacular adjustment by Tana to a throw that was very far off mark.

The second TD pass was perfect!

Disagree all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

Don't be that ... "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" guy. First, the only way you could actually know that the ball was 7-10 yards off target is if you were the guy throwing it. Secondly, it looks to me like Moss was running a deep post, not a go rout ... you can tell that by how he took his man in, then outside and then back inside. As he made is final move toward the post, you can see (in the second replay angle) MB was aiming at the post and not at Moss who was still at the numbers (10) when the ball was released, leading him as far inside as he could while still giving Moss a chance to make the catch, and remarkably, he caught it just on the right side of the post. Moss never had to sit down on the rout to wait for the ball to get there, BUT had MB thrown the ball where you are suggesting he should have thrown it, the chance for a completion would have been greatly reduced. The more a pass is thrown in a straight trajectory between the QB and WR, (such as straight down field ) the less room for error and the more perfect the throw has to be .... leading the guy, especially on a deep ball that's going to spend that much time in the air makes it far easier for the receiver go get the ball. And if you really look closely, you'll see that Roy W. is playing cover two ... he's biting on the slot, and then breaks back toward Moss and is playing Moss, not the ball, and simply got there a fraction early. That's why it looked like he "overran" the play ... he just miss timed the throw.

Had that ball been thrown 2 yards further outside, Williams would have caught it, and not Moss.

Great throw, great catch, great win, and I was there sitting in the end zone watching it happen! My only trip to Texas Stadium ever, sitting there wearing a Portis Jersey, in a nightmarish sea of blue.

I was also sitting in the end zone. incredible. also enjoyed the hogs.net meet up before!!! Bloody Jerry Mix and hog balls.

Put me on the list of people who are tired of hearing about the kid at this point. LOL I just want to see him in action, enough talk.

Im on the opposite. I want every scrap of "football" info i can get about the arm

Ok....for some third hand news on RGIII and the now vaunted ARM. Was in a Hooters for lunch this afternoon....for those of us that live in Tidewater, the one over by Janaf shopping center. Was wearing a Redskin shirt, and my Hooters girl started to harass me as she turned out to be a Giants fan. Well....after some good natured back and forth (she is a bit of a football junkie), she admitted that her brother is Sam Kirkland, and he is currently on the Redskins roster, a undrafted rookie out of Kent State, 6'0", 189 lbs, WR.

Asked her if her brother had said anything about RGIII.....according to her brother, his ARM is "for real", very strong and accurate. Also, what you see on the camera's during an interview IS what he is like when no one is watching. He is easy to get along with, and personable.

Apparently Kirkland had a recent birthday, and some of the team took him out to celebrate....no names mentioned.

Think he may be in town on Friday for the Redskins 80th tour at the Naval Base.....I know I am planning to attend that event.

Hooters Girl: "I'm a Giants fan"

Your response: "Who let you out of the kitchen"

ATX_Skins wrote:Hooters Girl: "I'm a Giants fan"

Your response: "Who let you out of the kitchen"

There were sharp objects present on the table.......but, her name was Shaterra, so feel free to wear some Redskins items, go to that Hooters, REQUEST her, and then trot out that thought for appropriate response. Would recommend doing that prior to ordering of anything that can be easily poured, say, over someone.

rskin72 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Hooters Girl: "I'm a Giants fan"

Your response: "Who let you out of the kitchen"

There were sharp objects present on the table.......but, her name was Shaterra, so feel free to wear some Redskins items, go to that Hooters, REQUEST her, and then trot out that thought for appropriate response. Would recommend doing that prior to ordering of anything that can be easily poured, say, over someone.

Honestly, I would in a heartbeat if I lived there. I'm that much of a jerk.

ATX_Skins wrote:Hooters Girl: "I'm a Giants fan"

Your response: "I'm a G-string fan myself, let me see yours. "

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... in-tatters

I love seeing stuff like this. Hopefully our receivers go through quite a few pairs of gloves this year.

Just as long as they're holding onto the ball.

44diesel wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829ae376/article/rg3s-rocket-arm-leaves-hankersons-gloves-in-tatters

I love seeing stuff like this. Hopefully our receivers go through quite a few pairs of gloves this year.

Just as long as they're holding onto the ball.

You know what I learned from that? Hankerson has some small hands, not the best attribute for a WR.

andyjens89 wrote:I hope he also has The Other Arm, The Head, The Legs, and The Body to be a complete player. All this nickname stuff is fun and he has obvious throwing power, but I would love it to translate to wins. That's really all that matters. Carry on

amen to that

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