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SkinsJock wrote:Mike will not let ANYONE not make sure that everything and anything we do offensively is geared towards whatever is good for RG3

I believe the offense will be brought along and plays added according to what suits RG3... NOT whatever Kyle wants

What have you seen from the coaches so far that makes you think that?

Hey, sorry about the double post.....unintentional....

rskin72 wrote:Red_One43, meant to comment on that article you posted WRT Kyle.....was an interesting read. I would guess, however, that every coach is, to varying degrees, a control freak. Parcells wanted to buy the groceries in addition to cooking the meal! While I do not mind control, there is the absurd end of that, and the article kind of hints to that.

I think what you are getting at.....and hopefully what will happen....is that Mike and Kyle will design their offense to best suit RGIII, and the talent level around him currently. Don't think this will need to be the change that John Fox went through in Denver with the insertion of Tebow as starting QB.....but Kyle cannot be so locked into his "system" that we do not provide our QB with the best opportunity to succeed.

I am still not sold on the younger Shanahan.....but the elder Shanahan has a proven track history with QB's (though all is not roses there either) so am with you in trusting our coaching staff to help RGIII live up to his potential and the hype.

We are in agreement here. I really think that RGIII is a perfect fit for this offense and I really think that RGIII will have an outstanding rookie season, but last year did damage to my homerism, so I having a "it's too good to be true" moment right now. I can't wait to get him into the OTAs and mini camps and hear that he is picking up the offense fine and the reporters and us fans are ooooohing that aaaaawing about his throws.

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DarthMonk

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Ummm...

One area I'd like to see RG improve is the number of sacks he's taken. A guy as athletic as him shouldn't take a lot of sacks.

That could be the Baylor line, or some other factors, but the numbers need to come down.

The Hogster wrote:One area I'd like to see RG improve is the number of sacks he's taken. A guy as athletic as him shouldn't take a lot of sacks.

Even though one might easily assume the opposite should be true, athletic QBs who can move and run tend to take more sacks than pocket passers.

Irn-Bru wrote:

The Hogster wrote:One area I'd like to see RG improve is the number of sacks he's taken. A guy as athletic as him shouldn't take a lot of sacks.

Even though one might easily assume the opposite should be true, athletic QBs who can move and run tend to take more sacks than pocket passers.

Yep. He's not that "solid", so it won't take much more than an arm-tackle to bring him down, that's one thing I noticed when watching his videos. He has great balance, he can elude pretty good but a solid whack will send him flying.

I'd rather he takes a sack than turn over the ball. With the increased speed, strength and size of NFL defencemen and the stunts, ect., durability may be an issue with RGIII. He will have to learn that he can't rely on his legs in the NFS as much as he could at Baylor. That said, I'm excited to see what he can do when a play breaks down and he has to improvise.

As for improvements: I'd like to see him add some muscle weight.

^ In one of the interviews with RGIII, he said that he expects to put on some more pounds because he is no longer running track.

He strikes me as the kind of guy who has trouble putting on weight. He's got one of those extra lean frames. He's ripped, but it looks like he works hard to stay in the 220s where some guys struggle to keep weight off, he's got one of those (I can eat donuts and pizza and stay slim) frames. I think he'll be fine, and Father Time always adds a few lbs.

The Hogster wrote:One area I'd like to see RG improve is the number of sacks he's taken. A guy as athletic as him shouldn't take a lot of sacks.

That could be the Baylor line, or some other factors, but the numbers need to come down.

Concur... this is the one area where he compares negatively to the other graded quaterbacks at the top of the draft. He has all of the other essentials in mass quantity... he'll figure this out...

Red_One43 wrote:This is and isn't my biggest concern with RGIII: Kyle!!!

The above was my first thought but as for RGIII himself:

He needs to know when to be daring. That's probably not in the 1st qtr. of the 1st game when he can take a risk and give us 2nd and 2 instead of 2nd and 8 near midfield. He might need to be lucky early until he learns when to be daring.

Vick still doesn't know.

DarthMonk

I think it is very diffciult to make a determination as to how he can improve seeing that he hasn't played an NFL game yet, but there are some things that typically hurt QBs that come from spread offenses. They are typically:
- taking from under center -- which also deals with footwork
- reading defenses from under center
- making quick decisions
- adjusting to NFL speed

For RGIII specifically, I am concerned that he may opt to run the ball more than he should. He also ran the ball frequently up the middle -- and in the NFL, that commonly results in major injuries. It doesn't help that RGIII is a bit on the thin side. I would like to see him put on 20 pounds of "meat" -- not really muscle, just bulk. That will help him with injuries.

But right now, the only things that concern me with RGIII are his size and frequency of running the ball. Other than that, he seems primed to go.

In terms of the Kyle comment, RGIII fits VERY well into his offense -- which is probably why MS and BA mortgaged the better part of the skins' 5 year future on him. This was a huge gamble; seeing what we gave up -- if RGIII doesn't work out, this team will be bad for a long time.

markshark84 wrote:MS and BA mortgaged the better part of the skins' 5 year future on him. This was a huge gamble; seeing what we gave up -- if RGIII doesn't work out, this team will be bad for a long time.

I disagree. 1st round picks are great, but not having one for the next two years is not a show stopper.

Deadskins wrote:

markshark84 wrote:MS and BA mortgaged the better part of the skins' 5 year future on him. This was a huge gamble; seeing what we gave up -- if RGIII doesn't work out, this team will be bad for a long time.

I disagree. 1st round picks are great, but not having one for the next two years is not a show stopper.

Really? Not having first round picks is a pretty big deal. That's 2 starters and in the end plays a major factor when it comes to depth. And if RGIII doesn't pan out -- it's basically a gaurantee 2 top 10 picks.

The lack of draft picks (and inability to select) is the DIRECT reason the skins have been (for the most part -- sans 3 season) horrendous for the past 2 decades.

markshark84 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

markshark84 wrote:MS and BA mortgaged the better part of the skins' 5 year future on him. This was a huge gamble; seeing what we gave up -- if RGIII doesn't work out, this team will be bad for a long time.

I disagree. 1st round picks are great, but not having one for the next two years is not a show stopper.

Really? Not having first round picks is a pretty big deal. That's 2 starters and in the end plays a major factor when it comes to depth. And if RGIII doesn't pan out -- it's basically a gaurantee 2 top 10 picks.

The lack of draft picks (and inability to select) is the DIRECT reason the skins have been (for the most part -- sans 3 season) horrendous for the past 2 decades.

We had plenty of first round picks in those years, and where did it get us? The key is drafting well in the later rounds. I'll say it again, missing two picks over the next two years is not a show stopper.

I agree also - there is no guarantee that the players we might have taken would turn out to be HOF or busts either

the fact remains that we now have a player at the most important position that most likely will be a great and VERY exciting player for many years to come

that is not taking a risk or a gamble AT ALL

IF we had not improved at the QB position this year, there is a very good chance that Bruce and Mike would not have been here this time next year


RG3 will mean a lot more to this franchise than just providing great QB play for 10-15 years

Deadskins wrote:

markshark84 wrote:MS and BA mortgaged the better part of the skins' 5 year future on him. This was a huge gamble; seeing what we gave up -- if RGIII doesn't work out, this team will be bad for a long time.

I disagree. 1st round picks are great, but not having one for the next two years is not a show stopper.

I agree with Deadskins.

I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and Mike Golic, former professional football player, confirmed for Greenie that it is the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks that are the guts of a NFL team. It is when teams trade continuously trade away these picks, they go down hill. The reference was the topic of the Jets trading away picks to move up to the third spot. Golic felt that they should go get their guy and give up the first rounders.

No, the Redskins didn't mortgage the future by giving up the future number ones. If RGIII doesn't work out, the Skins will be bad because they still will not have a franchise QB which is where they were when they had the number 1 draft choices but traded away their guts draft choices.

We can see that Shanny is at least building the guts of the team and those guts will will stay intact regardless of how RGIII does. Another coach coming in would have something to build on and still have the "gut" picks.
Something Shanny didn't have.

ESPN’s Ron Jaworski on concerns he had before Griffin’s pro day: “I was a little concerned about the consistency. I thought many of his throws were off-balance, and at times he was mechanically unsound with his footwork and balance. I was a little concerned about his throwing slot, the delivery. … There are times, and the great quarterbacks know when to change that platform and to bring it sidearm or to get on their toes and avoid the rush and avoid a guy’s hands up. I think there’s a time when you want to be out of that slot, but I was concerned about his consistency of that. When you watched his workout, I was watching those two areas of his game that I considered flaws. After that workout, he did not have a flaw. I was very impressed with the work he had done to improve on what I perceived as a weakness. It taught me two things: He’s coachable, and he accepts coaching. And he wants to get better. That’s critical when you go to the next level. You have to be a sponge to learn and study and prepare. That’s one thing as I talk to guys around the league about all the players that come out is their willingness to commit to the quarterback position every day, to be the hardest worker. I came away really impressed with Griffin.”

Coachable and being the hardest worker on the team is why I believe RGIII will be everything that we expect him to be.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/re ... ski/563186

He hasn't won enough Superbowls...


He needs to do more of that.

Countertrey wrote:He hasn't won enough Superbowls...


He needs to do more of that.

We may be the lone voices in the woods but I am with you on this, Trey. A few Superbowl wins would go a long way toward me accepting the wisdom of this trade.



DarthMonk

I can't critique his game yet, he hasn't played in the NFL. I will be interested to see:

1. can he cycle through multiple reads and see the whole field (like Luck can)
2. can he fit the ball in small windows.
3. how quickly does he read the action.
4. can he get comfortable under center running an NFL style offense, not the quirky and wild college-ruled style.


what I can say is that he is TINY. recent pictures of him would worry me a great deal if I were a redskins fan. he's even said that if it were last years draft he would be taken as a WR. he looks like a thin wr. he does not currently have the body of an NFL qb.

he's not built like an Andrew luck or a cam newton. the most obvious comparison at this time of his body type and his game is Michael Vick. and at no point in time would I have ever used 3 first round picks and a high second rounder on Vick.

Michael Vick - 6-0, 215



Troy Aikman - 6-4, 219



Robert Griffin III - 6-2, 223



Taller than Vick with an extra 8 pounds and he just turned 22. No more track either. Likely to add 10 pounds this year in the weight room.

An inch and a half shorter than Aikman but already 4 pounds heavier.

It won't be about his bulk. It will be about his decisions and, of course, luck.

DarthMonk

DarthMonk wrote:Michael Vick - 6-0, 215


Taller than Vick with an extra 8 pounds and he just turned 22.

oh he's 8 lbs heavier, huh? wow. I would have never guessed that in a million hundred thousand years. well that changes EVERyThING.

he's 2 inches taller (alledglly, I've heard from one columnist who has stood next to him and has said he's not his listed height), and 8 lbs heavier...you know what...you're right...he doesn't have a similar frame as Michael Vick.....for now on, I'm referring to him as a Ben roethlesberger clone. thanks for setting me straight.

An inch and a half shorter than Aikman but already 4 pounds heavier.

oh gee...thanks for that comparison as well. that helps me understand better. how about some other relative comparions.. this is fun.

how does he compare to Otto Graham or Sid luck man because this is just soo important to know.

It won't be about his bulk. It will be about his decisions and, of course, luck.

DarthMonk

when he gets hit by Jason babin or Demarcus ware or anybody for that matter then you can make that argument.

he ALREADY has missed a season of football in college. we'll see. my bet is injury concerns will be a big deal for him.