Irn-Bru wrote:Hey, that's the first time I think you've ever addressed an argument of mine! Well, you rise above the stereotype at least: normally when I respond to trolling, the people doing the trolling scatter like cockroaches before light. You've made it this far at least.
I appreciate that, sir.
No ego here.
it absolutely is. listen, every single fan has ego invested, regardless of team or sport they follow. their choice to BE a fan of a team ALONE is rooted in ego.
I won't get all Philosophical on you, I mean, after all, this is a place filled with football fans....there's no Mensa convention going to break out here.
all about definitions. You share an unrealistic definition with many in the mainstream that anything short of domination = sucking.
ok, there's your first mistake. or lie. or whatever it is. go ahead....show me where I stated either one dominates or they suck? forget it, don't waste your time, I never said that.
but I did define what I consider "a good football season". it's my definition. we obviously won't agree on it. you've got a lower bar for your definition (and it's not a coincidence that you're a redskins fan because without a low bar you'd have NO argument).
since the NFL instituted the salary cap, the talent level expectedly has leveled and one of the end results to that is we have seen many mediocre, forgettable teams make the playoffs. this should be agreed upon by all and should be understood as fact.
and so the natural followup to that sentence is the fact that, in my opinion, and I'd like to think the opinion of many, that just because a team made the post season tournament doesn't change the fact that they're still a mediocre team.
you mention the redskins of 2005 and 2007. they were 1-2 in the playoffs and if I'm not mistaken both were having typical pitiful redskin seasons (under .500) until the last month. your only argument in TWELVE seasons are these two teams, 6th seeded wild cards, who were LOsErS most of the season and were dumped out of the playoffs pretty quick. I'm sorry, I know your ego, I don't really care if you think it's not, staff member of the redskins forum, but I don't think much of those teams..they were average teams who had a very good run in December...but nothing more than that.
ok, look what you had me do, though. you're a good defense attorney. look at how much time you had me spend on those two seasons. care to talk about the records of the TEN other seasons?????
The Redskins play in a division that's routinely one of the toughest in the league, which I think mitigates the "last place finish" number.
I'm so mad at myself now. I knew when I listed the FACTs of the pitiful redskin regime under Snyder, that like a sniveling little greasy cheap attorney, you'll go scrambling for any sort of defense.
I KNEW you were gonna say "but but but but we play in a tough division".
yeah "..........guess what......I DON'T CARE.
I don't care that you been destroyed, beat up, kicked around, and had the cowboys, eagles, and giants collectively wipe their feet on your face for the better part of TWELVE seasons.
guess what...those three teams......they also play in this ToUGH division. and everyone of them has won the division in that time except your team. do u really think your team is all that hot outside of the division? the redskins SUCK everywhere...inside, outside, up and down. you don't go 5-11 just because your division is hard (which only had playoff team is past year). oh boo hoo, let's make excuses for the poor redskins now. they're division is tough...wahhhhh.
For example, one of our last place finishes was an 8-8 season where among
once. what about the others? they were 5-11, 5-11, 6-10, 4-12. pathetic.
My point is that it'd be different if we were in the NFC/AFC West where it's often a race to the bottom.
no, your real point is "our team is a loser and if we could only be in a division of other losers we would look better.". that's the loser mentality for you, right there, on display.
you're the big bad redskins. with the owner with bazillions of dollars, you've got famous actors hangin out at your games, youd spend a trillion dollars on your teams salary if the league would just let you, I'm not putting you in another division just so u worm your way out of what hAS ALREADY TAKEN place......being the doormat to your division and a non entity to the league on the field.
I personally count seasons that have poor records but a clear trend of building strength to be "mediocre."
yeah whatever dude. you sound like a little weasel. just read your sentence again. it sounds like the pathetic murmurs of a loser mentality.
I tell u what, you can call the pathetic seasons your team has had mediocre all you want. I don't see it, but were not going to agree n how to define it..so..with that said....I go back to the FACTS of this case...
12 seasons, 8 losing seasons. find me teams with the same or more than that. that's the company the redskins keep.
So, for example, these past two years under Shanahan, watching him clean out the mess left by Cerrato
he got to redskins park and one of the first things he did was continue a cerrato tradition and traded a HIgH DrAFt pick for a piece of garbage.
two years in, it was the same old redskins with cerrato, 3 different qbs played, all of them sucked...what's new...nothing.....
u still have not a SINGLE elite player on your roster...the ONly player that I would say other fans would look at and say man, I'd love to have him on my team was Sean Taylor, but u obviously don't have him anymore either.
what do u have now? orakpo, kerrigan, t. Williams, f. Davis.....those are all good but not elite football players. and those are the best players u Have
I mean, I guess you could try to compare it to the Lions,
when I know ive destroyed a redskins fan in argument, he has done one of the few tell tale signs of failure...
* cites the fact that his team is in a tough division ( in response to their pathetic DEcADe long miserable existence)
* compares their pathetic teams output to the lowest of the low in the NFL.....known as bottom feeding, this is how the ego defends itself....it sea he's for something, anything to make it feel right. but but but but the lions are even worse.....
and you resign yourself to both bottom feeding tactics....tell you what...you will have succeeded in this argument when you decide to quit while you're behind and your TEAM ( god for bid, redskin fans) backs you up FIRSt and then you can talk, of course, we know that'll never happen..
ey was drafted with a third. I don't care that we had to give up a future 2nd to get it. If fact, the only reason we didn't have a third was because we gave it up for Boonell. So Boonell cost us the extra 2nd.
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. A team that sets the record for the fewest wins, with a couple 2-win seasons, and win numbers that go 2, 3, 5, 6, 5, 3, 7, 0, 2, 6 is just on an entirely different level of awful. If you disagree, just ask a Lions fan if they think the Skins have been the same level of terrible as the Lions have been the past ten years. Believe me, those fans know pain, and they know truly awful.
Are we feeding the Poster or is the Poster feeding us? Each of have our own reasons to respond to such negative posts as the Poster. We learn a lot when we disagree. Looking up all of those team draft histories has been enlightening. Yes, there is always a time to hit the "ignore" button, but that is for each one to decide for himself. They always come back even when they say they quit. 
