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skinsfan#33 wrote:I personnally think 6'1" is too small to play TE in the NFL! Hernandez is listed as 6'2" at rotoworld, but looks bigger than that. I would rather have a slower 6'6" running down the seem. Heck ey is 6'3" and he is on the shorter side for a TE.

Good point, but keep in mind in the NFL today they play so many hybrid roles that having a WR who is a good blocker as a TE gives them more options how to use him. Particularly in two TE formations and on passing downs with a mobile QB.

Davis tested positive 3 times in a one month period, from what I understand, if you get tested 3-4 times in one month and you smoked 1 time that month it is going to show up on every test. There is no way to tell how many times he actually did it, unless he comes out and says it. Even if he is caught again, and he is gone forever, wouldn't that be what you would want to happen if he was caught again. I just don't get why Fred gets all the blame, everytime this is brought up and nothing is said about Trent, it's like Trent gets a free pass in all of this. Either way I still don't understand why he got in trouble for something he did during the lock out, when rules didn't apply, it's almost a realavent as a 36 Million dollar cap hit for a rule that didn't exist, IMO

fetus wrote:Davis tested positive 3 times in a one month period, from what I understand, if you get tested 3-4 times in one month and you smoked 1 time that month it is going to show up on every test. There is no way to tell how many times he actually did it, unless he comes out and says it. Even if he is caught again, and he is gone forever, wouldn't that be what you would want to happen if he was caught again. I just don't get why Fred gets all the blame, everytime this is brought up and nothing is said about Trent, it's like Trent gets a free pass in all of this. Either way I still don't understand why he got in trouble for something he did during the lock out, when rules didn't apply, it's almost a realavent as a 36 Million dollar cap hit for a rule that didn't exist, IMO

you are entitled to think that Davis didn't do anything really bad

fact is the really bad thing he did was make a choice between his team and himself

AND

he made that choice knowing the ramifications

you may not feel that's a big deal ... there's maybe a few others that would agree with that .. VERY few


IF Davis and Williams cannot stop doing drugs they will not be here


We recently heard that a college kid chose to do drugs before the combine where he knew he would be tested
according to your logic above, this kid is not a part of any franchise, he can do what he wants

I'm sure that some team will choose to put that kid on their team - WHEN (not if) he chooses to do drugs again, the team should not punish him because they made the choice knowing he will do drugs

kids that choose drugs instead of their team are losers - AT ANY TIME

This guy will stay this year and he might even surprise many working well with RGIII.

SkinsJock wrote:

fetus wrote:Davis tested positive 3 times in a one month period, from what I understand, if you get tested 3-4 times in one month and you smoked 1 time that month it is going to show up on every test. There is no way to tell how many times he actually did it, unless he comes out and says it. Even if he is caught again, and he is gone forever, wouldn't that be what you would want to happen if he was caught again. I just don't get why Fred gets all the blame, everytime this is brought up and nothing is said about Trent, it's like Trent gets a free pass in all of this. Either way I still don't understand why he got in trouble for something he did during the lock out, when rules didn't apply, it's almost a realavent as a 36 Million dollar cap hit for a rule that didn't exist, IMO

you are entitled to think that Davis didn't do anything really bad

fact is the really bad thing he did was make a choice between his team and himself

AND

he made that choice knowing the ramifications

you may not feel that's a big deal ... there's maybe a few others that would agree with that .. VERY few


IF Davis and Williams cannot stop doing drugs they will not be here


We recently heard that a college kid chose to do drugs before the combine where he knew he would be tested
according to your logic above, this kid is not a part of any franchise, he can do what he wants

I'm sure that some team will choose to put that kid on their team - WHEN (not if) he chooses to do drugs again, the team should not punish him because they made the choice knowing he will do drugs

kids that choose drugs instead of their team are losers - AT ANY TIME

First off in no way am I trying to deface your opinion, you are intitled to everything you say, and It seems you are 100% opposed to any drug use, by the nature of your post, as am I, tha being said...

I see both sides of the fence on this one, where people are mad at him for what he did, and there are more than a few people who feel the way I do. I agree that of he tests positive again that he should be gone but, I am just saying that I don't see the logic in his previous punishment. Like I said, you will test positive everyday of a 1 month span, if you smoked on the first of that month, as for the retard who smoked before the combine, that is dumb, and in no way do I think that it was ok for him to do this... It is like doing a drug before a Job interview, you know you are going to get tested.

I just think that Davis gets bashed to much over the situation, that is all.

He should be given a clean slate to work with this season as every player is at the beginning of every season. I'm sure if he becomes a HOF TE this little blemish will be forgotten.

Also when you say "WHEN(not if)", are you implying that everyone who has done a drug before is destined to go back to it... that is pretty naive, if so, I'm sure Ricky Williams still gets tested and he is still in the league.

NOTE: There are plenty of atheletes who do recreational drugs, there are and will always be ways around drug tests, I'm sure that some of our favorite stars of any sport past or present have done some sort of illegal drug, its the world we live in.


Either way Davis and Trent did what they did, and nothing I say or any of us say will change any of it. I think punishment was harsh, some think it's justified. Either way none of that matters, don't mean to piss anyone off and that's that. I agree completely that they should be gone if another incident like this occurs but chances are that it won't.
let us agree to disagree and be done with it.
Also sorry to hijack the thread:
Paul to TE seems kinda wierd IMO, he is stil small even with the wieght gain, but hell could work out.

fetus wrote:Davis tested positive 3 times in a one month period, from what I understand, if you get tested 3-4 times in one month and you smoked 1 time that month it is going to show up on every test. There is no way to tell how many times he actually did it, unless he comes out and says it. Even if he is caught again, and he is gone forever, wouldn't that be what you would want to happen if he was caught again. I just don't get why Fred gets all the blame, everytime this is brought up and nothing is said about Trent, it's like Trent gets a free pass in all of this. Either way I still don't understand why he got in trouble for something he did during the lock out, when rules didn't apply, it's almost a realavent as a 36 Million dollar cap hit for a rule that didn't exist, IMO

From my understanding he was tested twice over a 45 day period, one was thrown out and he was still suspended four games. That means he was already in the program for testing positive at some point BEFORE the lock-out

I'm pretty sure the NFLPA wouldn't allow you to miss game time unless separate positive tests were certain to be from different occasions of use. What good would a 3-strike system be if you smoked once on Jan 1 and failed tests on Jan 1, 15, and 30, but all fails came from the same, original use?

Let's not pretend that Davis only smoked once, or didn't know what he was doing. I'm certain this is a habit that he's had long before the NFL, and he was just careless in letting it affect his work.

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm pretty sure the NFLPA wouldn't allow you to miss game time unless separate positive tests were certain to be from different occasions of use. What good would a 3-strike system be if you smoked once on Jan 1 and failed tests on Jan 1, 15, and 30, but all fails came from the same, original use?

Let's not pretend that Davis only smoked once, or didn't know what he was doing. I'm certain this is a habit that he's had long before the NFL, and he was just careless in letting it affect his work.

Williams is rumored to have blamed Davis for his pot smoking

I was a big supporter of Davis before last season - I thought that even with the potentially bad offense here this kid could be a VERY bright part of our future

I am very disappointed but there is no way that I'm advocating he be gone for what he did

He made a terrible choice and I hope he's going to work really hard to make amends or he's gone



on another note: I highly doubt that a player that made a decision like that is going to end up in the HOF ESPECIALLY a TE
Jerry Smith is going in before Davis and I think Davis might end up with better numbers than Jerry if he plays to his potential

There is NO WAY that even by getting better numbers than Jerry Smith, Davis is going into the HOF BEFORE Jerry SMITH - ZERO chance
He flat out doesn't want it bad enough

BOT - I like the opportunities that Paul gives playing as TE especially within the offensive scheme these guys like to run

SkinsJock wrote:I was a big supporter of Davis before last season - I thought that even with the potentially bad offense here this kid could be a VERY bright part of our future

I am very disappointed but there is no way that I'm advocating he be gone for what he did

He made a terrible choice and I hope he's going to work really hard to make amends or he's gone



on another note: I highly doubt that a player that made a decision like that is going to end up in the HOF ESPECIALLY a TE
Jerry Smith is going in before Davis and I think Davis might end up with better numbers than Jerry if he plays to his potential

There is NO WAY that even by getting better numbers than Jerry Smith, Davis is going into the HOF BEFORE Jerry SMITH - ZERO chance
He flat out doesn't want it bad enough

I agree with everything you just said... I wasn't really saying that he will make the HOF but, I was just using it as an example...

Glad this has been resolved

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:I personnally think 6'1" is too small to play TE in the NFL! Hernandez is listed as 6'2" at rotoworld, but looks bigger than that. I would rather have a slower 6'6" running down the seem. Heck ey is 6'3" and he is on the shorter side for a TE.

Good point, but keep in mind in the NFL today they play so many hybrid roles that having a WR who is a good blocker as a TE gives them more options how to use him. Particularly in two TE formations and on passing downs with a mobile QB.

Agreed Kaz.

Shannon Sharpe is 6'2 and played TE at a weight of 225-228 lbs. Not only is Paul similar to Sharpe in regard to height and weight, Paul also has a very similar body structure and muscular physique.

Curios for another similarity? Sharpe began his career with the Broncos as a WR but was switched to TE after his rookie season. Sound familiar? Not suggesting that Niles Paul is the next Shannon Sharpe, but perhaps Shanahan envisions using Paul in a similar role to Sharpe.

I know there's now some speculation that Paul's switch to TE, combined with a high cap number, could mean the end to ey's career in Washington. Not so sure that's the case... just yet. If you guys recall, Shanahan did use ey as a full back / h-back. So with ey's abilities to play FB/HB as well as TE, and a rotation/combination of Davis, Paul and and Paulsen at TE, this gives Shanahan so many options and broad diversity for his offense and play calling.

fetus wrote: Like I said, you will test positive everyday of a 1 month span, if you smoked on the first of that month

This is only true if you are a chronic Chronic user!

If you smoked a bud one night you WILL NOT fail a urine test a month after you smoked. Heck I know some one that walked on to a ship high and hoping to get caught. The ship was heading for the Pursian Gulf during Desert Shield (which became Desert Storm prior to us getting to the Gulf). But the drug test that normally comes the first day at sea didn't come until we were out for two weeks. Shocker, virtually no one failed. The only ones that failed were the every day users. My friend wasn't an every day user and even held his "morning pee" hoping to get caught, but didn't.

I'm not saying you can't find a trace amount 30 days later (or even 20) in a casual user, but it would be so minute it would fall well below that allowed cut off and would be considered trace amounts.

My understanding of the Davis situation is he had failed a test prior to the lock out, failed one immediately after the lock out (which the NFLPA had thrown out), failed one during Camp, and during the season. Again that is my understanding bt it jive with the fact the he a TW were supposed to be suspended for a year but Bruce Allen and the NFLPA convinced the NFL to set the suspension at 4 games.

I'm not judging their choice to smoke weed, i'm judging their moronic decision making.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

fetus wrote: Like I said, you will test positive everyday of a 1 month span, if you smoked on the first of that month

This is only true if you are a chronic Chronic user!

If you smoked a bud one night you WILL NOT fail a urine test a month after you smoked. Heck I know some one that walked on to a ship high and hoping to get caught. The ship was heading for the Pursian Gulf during Desert Shield (which became Desert Storm prior to us getting to the Gulf). But the drug test that normally comes the first day at sea didn't come until we were out for two weeks. Shocker, virtually no one failed. The only ones that failed were the every day users. My friend wasn't an every day user and even held his "morning pee" hoping to get caught, but didn't.

I'm not saying you can't find a trace amount 30 days later (or even 20) in a casual user, but it would be so minute it would fall well below that allowed cut off and would be considered trace amounts.

My understanding of the Davis situation is he had failed a test prior to the lock out, failed one immediately after the lock out (which the NFLPA had thrown out), failed one during Camp, and during the season. Again that is my understanding bt it jive with the fact the he a TW were supposed to be suspended for a year but Bruce Allen and the NFLPA convinced the NFL to set the suspension at 4 games.

I'm not judging their choice to smoke weed, i'm judging their moronic decision making.

Throw in body structure, body fat and water intake and a casual user can smoke today and test clean seven out of ten times over a month