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In an exclusive interview, the president of the Donovan McNabb fan club, a Mr. D McNabb, said that his hero was a victim whilst he was in DC.

It was almost impossible for him to learn new plays and direct the offense, he simply didn't have the time as he was too busy counting all his money and eating doughnuts.

The fact that the coaches expected him to work hard on his game and put some serious hours in just wasn't explained to him properly at the start.

The same happened in Minnesota apparently....

He concluded by saying that if RG3 is to be a success in DC he'll need to hire someone to count his money for him and he must eat his doughnuts faster.

I think McNabb meant Eggo, not ego. His addiction to Eggo Waffles got in the way of his success here.

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:McNabb is a Republican's dream, proving Rush Limbaugh right year after year.

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:McNabb is a Republican's dream, proving Rush Limbaugh right year after year.

1. McNabb most likely is a Republican.
2. Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict. His opinion is worthless.
3. What does this post have to do with the topic?


McNabb is in fact a bitter man whose fantastic career ended like many athlete's careers do. Poorly and abruptly. I understand where he's coming from, he's just very wrong (primarily discounting the career of each of those quarterbacks with coaches other than Shanahan; failing to include his failure in the list of qbs; failing to condemn his own career record post-Elway, which is worse than Shanahan's record with inferior talent than McNabb; and failure to honestly address the big pink ELEPHANT in the room, his personal axe (and no he doesn't get points for his half-hearted mea culpa)). Maybe that's what you meant by him being a Republican's dream.

emoses14 wrote:

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:McNabb is a Republican's dream, proving Rush Limbaugh right year after year.

1. McNabb most likely is a Republican.
2. Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict. His opinion is worthless.
3. What does this post have to do with the topic?

1- Haha, probably (nothing wrong with being a Repub.. we are all Americans)
2- Haha, probably right about the addict part but no opinion is worthless.
3- Simply because Rush was the first one to make comments about mcnugget being an over-rated bum.. he took a beating for it because of the race thing but hmmmmm, how times have changed and mcnugget really is a bum.

langleyparkjoe wrote:

emoses14 wrote:

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:McNabb is a Republican's dream, proving Rush Limbaugh right year after year.

1. McNabb most likely is a Republican.
2. Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict. His opinion is worthless.
3. What does this post have to do with the topic?

1- Haha, probably (nothing wrong with being a Repub.. we are all Americans)
2- Haha, probably right about the addict part but no opinion is worthless.
3- Simply because Rush was the first one to make comments about mcnugget being an over-rated bum.. he took a beating for it because of the race thing but hmmmmm, how times have changed and mcnugget really is a bum.

1. Agreed.
2. Not sure about this one, but fair enough
3. That's a tenuous connection made by fanofallthingsgibbs solely to let his true colors show. AGAIN:

emoses14 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, Vick, Vince Young, Cam Newton.

What do all these men have in common? Not winning a SuperBowl.

Sorry. I would love to RG3 right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "running QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).

I really hope we don't give up much, like it or not we still have many holes.

Marino, Matt Ryan, Jim Kelly, Andrew Luck - What do these men have in common? Not winning a Superbowl.

Sorry. I would love Andrew Luck right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "_____QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).

You sir did that with far more tact than I was planning to and than fanofallthatisgibbs deserved. Well done, indeed. (Funny that Fanofallthatisgibbs left out steve young, roger staubach, and john elway from his running qb list. MUST ONLY be because they're not as recent as the ones he did list, MUST BE.)

Rush took that beating not just because of his typical race baiting, but also because, AT THAT TIME, his charge that McNabb was overrated, was stupid. Letting the awfulness that is the end of his career provide negative nancy colored glasses through which to judge his whole career, in hindsight, is lazy. Which is what Limbaugh is attacked for more, in my opinion, than anything else. An incorrect and baseless statement made at time 1, about the performance to that point of a person, is not made correct by the performance of that person at time 3. Completely unrelated. MCNugget is a bum. He was not one when Rush said so.

Emoney14.. touche!

Can we get back to McNabb's ego, now?

Countertrey wrote:Can we get back to McNabb's ego, now?

Good God, yes, let's.

Countertrey wrote:Can we get back to McNabb's ego, now?

ego? what ego?

I think this talk about Shanny's ego is so overblown. There is a huge difference between a big ego and having personal conviction. The coach has a system he believes in, believes can work, and is sticking with his plan. I don't really see that as "Shanahan has an ego problem". I don't want a coach who alters his course every time a player complains, or the owner gets grumpy, or the local idiot media shouts all week to make a change.

If there is one time that his actual ego has gotten in the way, I would say it was with trading for McNabb to begin with. He apparently knew about the problems with McNabb, but his ego led him to believe "I can change him. I can make a difference with this guy."

Shanny's not the first coach to make that mistake. I'm sure you can point to a hundred similar situations across any number of sports. Belichick and Haynesworth. Parcells and TO. Mancini and Tevez.

Let's hope Shanahan learned from that mistake.

Countertrey wrote:Can we get back to McNabb's ego, now?

He meant Eggo. He goofed. Kinda like when he thought the game couldn't end in a tie.

emoses14 wrote:Rush took that beating not just because of his typical race baiting, but also because, AT THAT TIME, his charge that McNabb was overrated, was stupid. Letting the awfulness that is the end of his career provide negative nancy colored glasses through which to judge his whole career, in hindsight, is lazy. Which is what Limbaugh is attacked for more, in my opinion, than anything else. An incorrect and baseless statement made at time 1, about the performance to that point of a person, is not made correct by the performance of that person at time 3. Completely unrelated. MCNugget is a bum. He was not one when Rush said so.

In the whole rant you never mentioned the actual subject of Rush's rant, the lily white media. Isn't it sort of pointless commenting on his comment without commenting on the subject of his comment?

As for McNabb being overrated though, I don't see how any Skins fan could agree with Rush because McNabb for whatever reason just owned us. But he did play different against other teams and he played a lot of bad football too, doing things like throwing it in the ground and making questionable decisions like he did for us. I don't agree with Rush on McNabb, but I don't think it's ridiculous. I don't remember McNabb owning the Steelers like he did us.

So on his ego, I thought McNabb handled that with class though by staying out of it. He handled all the years of the classless, hate filled Eagle fans, and he handled TO. I wonder why all of a sudden he's a jerk? Maybe he held it in too long.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
In the whole rant you never mentioned the actual subject of Rush's rant, the lily white media. Isn't it sort of pointless commenting on his comment without commenting on the subject of his comment?

Well, no, actually. Not pointless at all given the circumstances. I didn't really want to get into parsing through all the portions of Rush's fiasco that weren't at least tangentially related to this topic. The thread is about McNabb's comments re: Shanahan. Fanofallthingsgibbs made the comment that McNabb was proving Rush right, not that the lily white media was. So in my already getting off topic "rant", I chose not to go even further off topic. Make sense? If we want to discuss Rush's 4,5 year old comments re: the role of the "lily white media", I suspect we'd better head to the lounge.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
As for McNabb being overrated though, I don't see how any Skins fan could agree with Rush because McNabb for whatever reason just owned us. But he did play different against other teams and he played a lot of bad football too, doing things like throwing it in the ground and making questionable decisions like he did for us. I don't agree with Rush on McNabb, but I don't think it's ridiculous. I don't remember McNabb owning the Steelers like he did us.

So on his ego, I thought McNabb handled that with class though by staying out of it. He handled all the years of the classless, hate filled Eagle fans, and he handled TO. I wonder why all of a sudden he's a jerk? Maybe he held it in too long.

But, come to think of it, isn't this thread about McNabb's comments re: Shanahan's ego getting in the way of RGIII developing and not so much his own ego? To that point, I think riggofan actually addressed it best. It wasn't Shanny's ego that prevented McNabb from succeeding here, that was ALL on McNabb. Shanny's ego is to blame for bringing him here in the first place.

On McNabb's ego, I agree with you. I've never considered many players to have acted with more class than McNabb during his time in Philly, as you've highlighted. I'm actually surprised that he's acting so classlessly now; because he could have made the same charge against shanny and made it far more impactfully if he didn't weigh it down with obsfuscating and bitterness.

I wonder why all of a sudden he's a jerk? Maybe he held it in too long.[/quote]

He needs to keep his name out there is why.He cant play any more so has to an a$$

KazooSkinsFan wrote:So on his ego, I thought McNabb handled that with class though by staying out of it. He handled all the years of the classless, hate filled Eagle fans, and he handled TO. I wonder why all of a sudden he's a jerk? Maybe he held it in too long.

Its a good point and good question. I think McNabb is bitter about the way he went out. Did those last two years hurt his overall reputation? His hopes of possibly being a Hall of Famer? Maybe even his opportunities to move into the media after hanging it up?

riggofan wrote: Its a good point and good question. I think McNabb is bitter about the way he went out. Did those last two years hurt his overall reputation? His hopes of possibly being a Hall of Famer? Maybe even his opportunities to move into the media after hanging it up?

You have to believe those last two years will put a lot of second thoughts into people's minds. Very few HOF-worthy QBs have fallen as hard and fast as McNabb did. And all of the work-ethic rumors is the kind of thing that can make your case tough.

Playing at the same time as Peyton, Brady, Favre, Kurt Warner, and maybe a couple of other QBs who maintained good form much closer to 40 years of age will also probably hurt him. I mean, he was done at a pretty early age.

(FWIW, I don't think it will be fatal to his HOF chances in the long run, though.)

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

emoses14 wrote:Rush took that beating not just because of his typical race baiting, but also because, AT THAT TIME, his charge that McNabb was overrated, was stupid. Letting the awfulness that is the end of his career provide negative nancy colored glasses through which to judge his whole career, in hindsight, is lazy. Which is what Limbaugh is attacked for more, in my opinion, than anything else. An incorrect and baseless statement made at time 1, about the performance to that point of a person, is not made correct by the performance of that person at time 3. Completely unrelated. MCNugget is a bum. He was not one when Rush said so.

In the whole rant you never mentioned the actual subject of Rush's rant, the lily white media. Isn't it sort of pointless commenting on his comment without commenting on the subject of his comment?

As for McNabb being overrated though, I don't see how any Skins fan could agree with Rush because McNabb for whatever reason just owned us. But he did play different against other teams and he played a lot of bad football too, doing things like throwing it in the ground and making questionable decisions like he did for us. I don't agree with Rush on McNabb, but I don't think it's ridiculous.

From your post, I don't think you remember what Rush said. He said the Media had a stake in making McNabb out to be a better player than he was simply because he is black. I didn't think that was true then, and I don't think it's true now. Why wouldn't they have been the same about other black QBs? Did the media over-promote Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Tony Banks? Rush was race baiting his audience. It's as simple as that.

McNabb has no room to talk about anything, he sucks and should have retired when Reid discussed his trade. Sorry you sucked in Washington and Minnesota, have fun sucking somewhere else. RGIII FTW

I got this link from PFT saying that Jake Plummer "agrees with Donovan McNabb." After listening to the article - not hardly The only thing that I heard that agrees with Donovan is that Mike expects players to fit his system. We all already know that - we agree too.

Listen to Jake and compare with Donovan.

Below is the interview with Jake Plummer on Arizonasports.com on March 29th. For the last question at 15:16, Burns and Gambo ask him how he thinks RG3 will do with the Shanahan's if he is drafted by the Skins.


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Deadskins wrote:From your post, I don't think you remember what Rush said. He said the Media had a stake in making McNabb out to be a better player than he was simply because he is black. I didn't think that was true then, and I don't think it's true now. Why wouldn't they have been the same about other black QBs? Did the media over-promote Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Tony Banks? Rush was race baiting his audience. It's as simple as that.

Got it, you don't like Rush.

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:So on his ego, I thought McNabb handled that with class though by staying out of it. He handled all the years of the classless, hate filled Eagle fans, and he handled TO. I wonder why all of a sudden he's a jerk? Maybe he held it in too long.

Its a good point and good question. I think McNabb is bitter about the way he went out. Did those last two years hurt his overall reputation? His hopes of possibly being a Hall of Famer? Maybe even his opportunities to move into the media after hanging it up?

The Rabach interview was interesting as he's sort of a third party. He seemed to agree with McNabb's points that the Shannahans didn't tailor the offense to use his strengths more, but he also said McNabb seemed to just expect things to be done for him like they were in Philly.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:From your post, I don't think you remember what Rush said. He said the Media had a stake in making McNabb out to be a better player than he was simply because he is black. I didn't think that was true then, and I don't think it's true now. Why wouldn't they have been the same about other black QBs? Did the media over-promote Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Tony Banks? Rush was race baiting his audience. It's as simple as that.

Got it, you don't like Rush.

It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking him. But...
Got it, you'll defend him no matter what he says, or does.

Rush Limbaugh is a blowhard who preys on angry, uneducated conservatives who like to blame democrats for the fact that their lives suck.

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:From your post, I don't think you remember what Rush said. He said the Media had a stake in making McNabb out to be a better player than he was simply because he is black. I didn't think that was true then, and I don't think it's true now. Why wouldn't they have been the same about other black QBs? Did the media over-promote Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Tony Banks? Rush was race baiting his audience. It's as simple as that.

Got it, you don't like Rush.

It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking him. But...
Got it, you'll defend him no matter what he says, or does.

Right, which is why "I" have subjective, angry statements like that Rush was "race baiting his audience". He also didn't say the media had a "stake" in McNabb, and you arbitrarily assign him the task of addressing all black quarterbacks. It's cool, you obviously don't like the guy. Of course someone who doesn't like him is far more able to say what he meant says then someone who does. Got it.