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langleyparkjoe wrote:

riggofan wrote:Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck. If the question was posed back in December, I wonder if the results would have been the same? I don't remember many "suck for griff" campaigns throughout the 2011 season...

I am hyped for RGIII. If I had to make the pick though, I have to admit I would take Luck. He looks physically sturdier to me, so less likely to be injured. And just seems closer to a "sure thing" than RGIII does at this point in time. I'm completely splitting hairs here though and will be happy with either QB.

good point riggo.. great situation to be in though.. i'm happy with either one

No doubt man. I can't help but look around the league at the teams struggling to fill the QB position right now. No one can convince me that three 1st round picks wasn't worth it to not be fighting over Matt Flynn, facing the season with David Garrard as your starter, or bringing in Tim Tebow for competition.

Indeed Riggo, this is a win win situation for us finally. This was an awesome move and we are finally getting our qb. Most franchises would love to be in our position right now

can,t go wrong with either but i,m going with RGIII .

i want this franchise make the right decision .

gibbsfan wrote:can,t go wrong with either but i,m going with RGIII .

i want this franchise make the right decision .

Why does it matter who used to be the better QB?

If Luck is going to be a better NFL QB then I'd hope we'd get him

I'm more interested in who is going to be the better NFL QB than who was the better QB in college

both these QBs are going to be very good - RG3 is going to be more exciting

I'm still stiff4griff

elprez19 wrote:Well if his Pro day for a potential skins franchise QB didnt get you fired up after a blockbuster trade then i dont know what would. The guy reconfirmed his athlectism and big arm. His under center snaps looked great and roll outs were just awesome. The ball just jumps out on passing. The game tape shows pressure and pads, pro days show work from under center and rapport he has with his team mates. The dude is just an all around stud with very high character. Im taking RG3 for my redskins franchise and well see who has the better career.

I'm sure you're right about his. But does anybody doubt that Andrew Luck isn't going to blow people away with his "pro day"?

I think the team where these guys land is going to decide which one has a better career myself. They're both stud QBs, high character guys. The Colts were a really bad 1-15 team last year. I couldn't even tell you who their coach is right now without looking it up.

The Redskins have plenty of flaws, but I think we're better than the Colts and our QB will have a better chance of being successful early.

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:I don't remember many "suck for griff" campaigns throughout the 2011 season...

Actually, it was whiff for Griff, and CounterTrey was the originator.

September, 2011, OBTW...

I briefly considered "stiff for Griff", but unlike Skins Jock, that's just not how I roll...

riggofan wrote:Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck. If the question was posed back in December, I wonder if the results would have been the same? I don't remember many "suck for griff" campaigns throughout the 2011 season...

I am hyped for RGIII. If I had to make the pick though, I have to admit I would take Luck. He looks physically sturdier to me, so less likely to be injured. And just seems closer to a "sure thing" than RGIII does at this point in time. I'm completely splitting hairs here though and will be happy with either QB.

Like was said.. it was "whiff for Griff" and my thread I think it was titled "why suck for luck when we can win for Griffin"

You are right about dates rthough uz it was closer to August/ September when RGiii still had MORE touch down passes then INCOMPLETE passes. We were on the wagon all year and CT and I , amoung others, were rooting for him to get the heisman over luck... He's a more dynamic qb imo and his throws on the run are just remarkable not to mention pinpoint accuracy on the deep ball, oh ya and his amazing speed lol

I love this kid RG3 ... and I think he's going to be an outstanding QB. That said, I'd still take Luck because of his vastly greater experience in a pro style offense and the decision making skills that translate better to starting day 1 in 2012. RG3 may have a greater upside potential, but Luck has less risk.

Just as RG3 was perceived as a running QB that can throw too ... Luck is a passing QB that can run too. He may be slightly behind RG3 in athleticism, but he's a little bigger ... which probably means more durable ... and he's more qualified as a day one starter.

Either guy is a huge upgrade, so there is no "consolation" type situation here. I expect both to be very good, and I'll be happy with either one. AND ... which ever one comes to the Skins ... they will have an edge in being productive early.

Furthermore ... I'd rather be Lucky than good .... but when you are both, that's the ultimate combo

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:I don't remember many "suck for griff" campaigns throughout the 2011 season...

Actually, it was whiff for Griff, and CounterTrey was the originator.

September, 2011, OBTW...

I briefly considered "stiff for Griff", but unlike Skins Jock, that's just not how I roll...

Daaaaaaaaag SJ, u gotta take it to smack after that one brutha!!!

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:I don't remember many "suck for griff" campaigns throughout the 2011 season...

Actually, it was whiff for Griff, and CounterTrey was the originator.

September, 2011, OBTW...

I briefly considered "stiff for Griff", but unlike Skins Jock, that's just not how I roll...

By November there were quite a few members ready to Wiff for Griff if we were the type of fans that would want our team to lose for draft position.

And back then Barkley, Landry and even Tannehill were getting more hype

1niksder wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:I don't remember many "suck for griff" campaigns throughout the 2011 season...

Actually, it was whiff for Griff, and CounterTrey was the originator.

September, 2011, OBTW...

I briefly considered "stiff for Griff", but unlike Skins Jock, that's just not how I roll...

By November there were quite a few members ready to Wiff for Griff if we were the type of fans that would want our team to lose for draft position.

And back then Barkley, Landry and even Tannehill were getting more hype

True, but by November we couldn't suck enough for Luck.

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:I don't remember many "suck for griff" campaigns throughout the 2011 season...

Actually, it was whiff for Griff, and CounterTrey was the originator.

September, 2011, OBTW...

I briefly considered "stiff for Griff", but unlike Skins Jock, that's just not how I roll...

And you say I'm brutal?

riggofan wrote:Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck.

I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII.

If we had the #1 pick in the NFL draft, I highly doubt there would be as many people voting for RGIII.

Luck is the hands down #1 pick; however, RGIII looks REALLY good also. As people say, it's a win-win -- but if the choice was there and you had to stake your reputation on it, I believe that most would select Luck.

markshark84 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck.

I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII.

If we had the #1 pick in the NFL draft, I highly doubt there would be as many people voting for RGIII.

Luck is the hands down #1 pick; however, RGIII looks REALLY good also. As people say, it's a win-win -- but if the choice was there and you had to stake your reputation on it, I believe that most would select Luck.

Not everyone. Merril Hoge would pick Griff.

markshark84 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck.

I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII.

If we had the #1 pick in the NFL draft, I highly doubt there would be as many people voting for RGIII.

Luck is the hands down #1 pick; however, RGIII looks REALLY good also. As people say, it's a win-win -- but if the choice was there and you had to stake your reputation on it, I believe that most would select Luck.

That was kind of my feeling as well. I don't blame Skins fans for voting this way. We've all obsessed over RGIII because Luck didn't seem to be a possibility at all (and probably still isn't).

Deadskins wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck.

I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII.

If we had the #1 pick in the NFL draft, I highly doubt there would be as many people voting for RGIII.

Luck is the hands down #1 pick; however, RGIII looks REALLY good also. As people say, it's a win-win -- but if the choice was there and you had to stake your reputation on it, I believe that most would select Luck.

Not everyone. Merril Hoge would pick Griff.

I'm pretty sure he is saying this to stir the pot. Think about it, if he is right, he looks like a genious, if he is wrong, he has no one to answer to. It's really a win-win for Hodge. I remember when Tebowmania began, Hodge started going off the handle about Tebow -- then subsequently admitting he was INCORRECT. He didn't care, he just wanted to see his name in the press.

Besides, this guy is wrong more often then he is right. Lets just hope his 2012 prediction of RGIII being the best overall QB is more accurate than the majority of his QB predictions over the years -- most notably how he recently stated Newton would be an inevitable bust.

markshark84 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck.

I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII.

If we had the #1 pick in the NFL draft, I highly doubt there would be as many people voting for RGIII.

Luck is the hands down #1 pick; however, RGIII looks REALLY good also. As people say, it's a win-win -- but if the choice was there and you had to stake your reputation on it, I believe that most would select Luck.

I can't speak for CTrey or any other EARLY RGiii supporters... But having started my pro rgiii anti luck thread on October first I can honestly say since I saw him perform.on.live tv.my.mind was made up. Seeing luck loose to.baylors horrid D, the passes and runs Griffin did- and the combo of passing on the run sold.me. I could care less what offenses they run in college no.matter how "pro" it is it isn't. while I certainly can't say with any founded basis who the.more devoted qb is or who has more.potential to be an elite qb I do believe rgiii has all the tangibles to be that guy. Luck? Maybe him too but the drive to be the tiger woods of.football and set the bar higher then ever at the qb position is what I see in Griffin.. not just because he said so.

So yes my friend first pick in hand I would no doubt choose rgiii over luck barkley Jones or any other NCAA qb- as well as most to all NFL qbs for that matter.

. I believe the answer is Mr. [Jim] Irsay feels that Andrew fits best.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... d-pro-day/

markshark84 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Wow I am really blown away by how many people would rather draft RGIII over Luck.

I think a good deal of the RGIII votes are being made based on the inevitability that the skins are going to draft RGIII.

If we had the #1 pick in the NFL draft, I highly doubt there would be as many people voting for RGIII.

Luck is the hands down #1 pick; however, RGIII looks REALLY good also. As people say, it's a win-win -- but if the choice was there and you had to stake your reputation on it, I believe that most would select Luck.

I disagree, at least that's not why I voted for him. The question was who would you pick if you were the SKINS? My answer was RG3 for a number of reasons. He's just a much better fit here. Better fit for Shanny's offense, Military background, more athletic, better accuracy on the run, much better with the media (which in this city is huge), his personality (which is huge in recruiting new fans because a very large fan base just lost a decades worth), his moxy, his loyalty to his school (he takes such pride in getting Baylor to relevancy), and his smarts.

If the question was who for the Colts, I would have said Luck. He's such a better fit there as well.

Mock draft...
RG3 goes to the....
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e/related/

Heck, I am just happy that conversation this off-season is not revolving around paying a Defensive lineman 100 mil.....50 mil guarenteed.....or trying to figure out who the heck our head coach will be, after naming our offensive coordinator. Few folks are really down on our trade to get #2 pick.....most are saying that they understand the move, appreciate the gamble with the two players involved, and will wait to see results in a couple of years.

Also nice to read of other teams making questionable moves....like Tebow to the Jets.....Bills paying 100+ mil to a Defensive end/LB cross like he is the missing link to a SB party (shades of Fat Albert here, maybe?).

Also, think that mock draft posted is wrong as I think Irsay is sold on Luck. Guess time will tell....biting my nails until Draft Day....

chiefhog44 wrote:Mock draft...
RG3 goes to the....
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e/related/

Everywhere I look people are predicting RG3 will go to Colts. Anything solid out there about Colts taking Luck that's recent?

crazyhorse1 wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:Mock draft...
RG3 goes to the....
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e/related/

Everywhere I look people are predicting RG3 will go to Colts. Anything solid out there about Colts taking Luck that's recent?

I would say Polians quote is the strongest indication that the Colts aren't drafting anyone but Luck

As far as the baby horseys I'd say luck is the front runner. He can come in with out any change to how they run their (depleted) offense and in their mind its less of a gamble. It's known he played in a "pro" style O and is athletic can read defenses etc etc... The gamble with rgiii and little painter (lol) on the bench is not something they can afford to make. Ya rgiii has the it factor and I personally prefer him but to think old man irsay is gonna change his ways after a hiesman faster 40 and a great pro day is insanity. He got rid of a hof qb for.luck not rgiii.