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ATX_Skins wrote:What does this mean exactly? Especially Hankerson being blocked?

it means they just cloned the mediocre jabber gaffney two additional times. meanwhile their defense is falling apart. you better pray they keep London Fletcher......your best player. even with him, they're in trouble.

the poster wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:What does this mean exactly? Especially Hankerson being blocked?

it means they just cloned the mediocre jabber gaffney two additional times. meanwhile their defense is falling apart. you better pray they keep London Fletcher......your best player. even with him, they're in trouble.

Poser, your grammar is still awful. How is the weather in Philly?

the poster wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:What does this mean exactly? Especially Hankerson being blocked?

it means they just cloned the mediocre jabber gaffney two additional times. meanwhile their defense is falling apart. you better pray they keep London Fletcher......your best player. even with him, they're in trouble.

Brown eye still here? Wrinkled star? Know what I'm sayin'?

It means we can put five 4.4 guys on the field at the same time while The Poster wishes he had Grif.

DarthMonk

Freeman said he likes the Redskins’ additions of wide receiver Pierre Garcon and Morgan and its pursuit of Royal. But he wonders whether the team has done enough to improve its receiving corps sufficiently.

Aside from the big-time receivers who signed with their own teams (Megatron, Colston, Jackson), who out there was better that we could have added? I understand the criticism that we didn't get a clear #1, but considering the price VJax was able to command, I don't know what it is the Redskins should have done that they didn't do.

Garcon would have received a similar contract elsewhere if he didn't take ours. From all reports, Morgan came cheap. Hard to say that we are going to overpay for Royal when so many teams are expressing interest about equal to what we've offered him.

What it comes down to is that we went out and got the second best guy who was realistically available. That might not prove to be enough, but we've got a better chance of one of our new WRs breaking out than we did with our old starting lineup.

I guess next year we'll have to revisit the issue.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Freeman said he likes the Redskins’ additions of wide receiver Pierre Garcon and Morgan and its pursuit of Royal. But he wonders whether the team has done enough to improve its receiving corps sufficiently.

Aside from the big-time receivers who signed with their own teams (Megatron, Colston, Jackson), who out there was better that we could have added? I understand the criticism that we didn't get a clear #1, but considering the price VJax was able to command, I don't know what it is the Redskins should have done that they didn't do.

Garcon would have received a similar contract elsewhere if he didn't take ours. From all reports, Morgan came cheap. Hard to say that we are going to overpay for Royal when so many teams are expressing interest about equal to what we've offered him.

What it comes down to is that we went out and got the second best guy who was realistically available. That might not prove to be enough, but we've got a better chance of one of our new WRs breaking out than we did with our old starting lineup.

I guess next year we'll have to revisit the issue.

People will bitch regardless. They want #1 WR's for #2 money, regardless of the realities dictating the circumstance.

langleyparkjoe wrote:and as for Hankerson.. what da heck has he shown anyone? I mean really?

That guy can't even catch and he's supposed to be a WR???????????

Blaaaaaaaah

+1

I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:and as for Hankerson.. what da heck has he shown anyone? I mean really?

That guy can't even catch and he's supposed to be a WR???????????

Blaaaaaaaah

+1

I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...[/quote]
I must have missed out on those crucial 13 catches he had last year in the four games he played.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...

I must have missed out on those crucial 13 catches he had last year in the four games he played.[/quote]

Don't be dense. He only played in FOUR games his rookie year before he got hurt. The first two games were with John Beck under center so you can hardly blame him for having only one catch in those games. He caught four passes the next week against SF who you might remember were pretty good on defense. Then he caught EIGHT passes for 100+ yards against Miami.

He's a third round draft pick who broke Michael Irvin's record for TDs in college. Who knows if the guy is going to break out as a pro, but its not hard to see why some fans believe he could be special.

Give hankerson a break and to say he can't catch or play absurd! !!hank was the first rookie to have a 100 yard game since rod gardener in wr core. I think hank will be fine and would have broke out last year if wasn't for hip injury. Moss will still be on the team for another year. I like the looks of our we core this year will be a upgrade from last year.

riggofan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...

I must have missed out on those crucial 13 catches he had last year in the four games he played.

Don't be dense. He only played in FOUR games his rookie year before he got hurt. The first two games were with John Beck under center so you can hardly blame him for having only one catch in those games. He caught four passes the next week against SF who you might remember were pretty good on defense. Then he caught EIGHT passes for 100+ yards against Miami.

He's a third round draft pick who broke Michael Irvin's record for TDs in college. Who knows if the guy is going to break out as a pro, but its not hard to see why some fans believe he could be special.

He's a third round pick that had trouble getting on the field, when they did put him out there it was partly due to other players being injured. He actually progress better just being on the field although it was Beck. When he got injured the other WR had recovered (they even brought back one they had cut), yet he was starting. He constantly improved as the season went on and then got hurt.

But the truth is, he's still on crutches so he's still a mystery.


See how I said what you said with a different spin

I think the only thing kept Hankerson out of the first round was his speed. He ran a decent 40 for his size but was not great in college running after the catch. Outside of that he runs good routes, is strong, and will surprise people with his catching ability once he gets into NFL conditioning and learns how to properly train like a pro. This year might hold him back a lil due to injury but once he's healthy I see him being

Easily be a #2 solid receiver for us in a few years and possibly a #1 not elite but good #1 at best.

Seen him in college and he improved each year.

I'm not sure what you guys expect out of a 3rd round WR in his rookie season, running routes for Grossman and Beck.

I just don't get all the hooplah over the guy who's still a complete mystery due to his limited playing time (thanks to the injury).

StorminMormon86 wrote:I just don't get all the hooplah over the guy who's still a complete mystery due to his limited playing time (thanks to the injury).

- He was good in college.

- His physical attributes.

- Reports from Redskins Park/Coaches about the strides he made to be activated for the game-day roster.

- In the limited amount of time that he spent on the field, he looked good. So what that it was brief, it further solidified what the coaches saw in him to draft him. It also solidified their comments about the progress he made practicing during the season.


Nobody is calling him a HOF'er. Nobody is saying probowl. It's ok to be cautious but let's not act like it's hard to see why people are excited about the possibilities either.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:and as for Hankerson.. what da heck has he shown anyone? I mean really?

That guy can't even catch and he's supposed to be a WR???????????

Blaaaaaaaah

+1

I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...

and all of you were wrong.

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:and as for Hankerson.. what da heck has he shown anyone? I mean really?

That guy can't even catch and he's supposed to be a WR???????????

Blaaaaaaaah

+1

I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...

and all of you were wrong.

Hankerson will be just fine. Every receiver has a drop now and then. In the regular season he has been pretty sure handed. I think people remember him from hhis rookie preseason droppin balls and that has stuck in everyones minds. Fred Davis shook it and im sure he will the more he play.

Hankerson can be dominate within 30 yards but is not a deep ball guy, that was not his strength in college nor running after the catch. This is why he was a 3rd rd pick, he does not have the potential to be a gamebreaker.....and i dont think no one see him as so people who are optimistic just like his potential to be a steady reliable receiver that can move the chains.

Receivers take time, keep in mind he didnt have a chance to get better or really run in the offseason due to a misdiagnosis once again by our training staff. He will mature...

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:and as for Hankerson.. what da heck has he shown anyone? I mean really?

That guy can't even catch and he's supposed to be a WR???????????

Blaaaaaaaah

+1

I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...

and all of you were wrong.

Hankerson will be just fine. Every receiver has a drop now and then. In the regular season he has been pretty sure handed. I think people remember him from hhis rookie preseason droppin balls and that has stuck in everyones minds. Fred Davis shook it and im sure he will the more he play.

Hankerson can be dominate within 30 yards but is not a deep ball guy, that was not his strength in college nor running after the catch. This is why he was a 3rd rd pick, he does not have the potential to be a gamebreaker.....and i dont think no one see him as so people who are optimistic just like his potential to be a steady reliable receiver that can move the chains.

Receivers take time, keep in mind he didnt have a chance to get better or really run in the offseason due to a misdiagnosis once again by our training staff. He will mature...

mastdark81 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:and as for Hankerson.. what da heck has he shown anyone? I mean really?

That guy can't even catch and he's supposed to be a WR???????????

Blaaaaaaaah

+1

I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...

and all of you were wrong.

Hankerson will be just fine. Every receiver has a drop now and then. In the regular season he has been pretty sure handed. I think people remember him from hhis rookie preseason droppin balls and that has stuck in everyones minds. Fred Davis shook it and im sure he will the more he play.

Hankerson can be dominate within 30 yards but is not a deep ball guy, that was not his strength in college nor running after the catch. This is why he was a 3rd rd pick, he does not have the potential to be a gamebreaker.....and i dont think no one see him as so people who are optimistic just like his potential to be a steady reliable receiver that can move the chains.

Receivers take time, keep in mind he didnt have a chance to get better or really run in the offseason due to a misdiagnosis once again by our training staff. He will mature...

I don't think Hankerson and "dominant" should ever be uttered in the same sentence. Hankerson just didn't have "a" drop. This has been a consistent problem SINCE COLLEGE that has not improved. Had he caught that pass, it could have changed the momentum of the game. Hankerson was thrown to 4 times and had 1 reception.

So basically you are saying he is a possession receiver. However, he doesn't use his body and has bad hands...... Aren't those the 2 major strengths of a possession receiver?????

Honestly, I don't see any potential in Hankerson. He is slow, can't run after the catch, has bad hands, doesn't run his routes well (he had 2 timing/route errors against PITT), has zero first step speed, can't create separation to save his life, and makes mental errors. I see him as a placeholder until something better comes along. We should in no way invest in him or in his ability to actually progress. While Moss had multiple drops yesterday, I would replace Hankerson with Moss and have Morgan as the other starter. Since Briscoe and Robinson are so horrendous, I actually would put Hankerson at the 3. If Hankerson doesn't fit as a 3, I would just alter playcalling so that Hankerson is typically the 3 or 4th option.

Dear Carlos Rogers - Our bad.


Dear Ryan Clark - We sorry.

Dear Laron Landry - See what had happened was..

mastdark81 wrote:Hankerson will be just fine. Every receiver has a drop now and then.

you start your defense of him by mentioning his drops. you are assuming that my (and others) issue with him.

my critique of him doesnt even begin with the fact that he has shown POOR hands to this point.

My issue with him is he is not fluid in and out of breaks and has TERRIBLE power off the ball. I've seen him. Ive critiqued him. And you know what that means? That means he's easily coverable.

He's lanky, runs herky-jerky, and maybe it's his number, but he reminds me of Darnerian McCants. I don't see much for this guy in the NFL. Not much at all.

Hankerson can be dominate within 30 yards

no he cant. he wont get a better opportunity to play in the NFL than right here and right now. He's not going to get clear starting chances ever again like this one. and he's doing nothing with it.

by the way, he plays extremely soft.

Don't. Just... don't.

Jeeze, people.

the poster wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:Hankerson will be just fine. Every receiver has a drop now and then.

you start your defense of him by mentioning his drops. you are assuming that my (and others) issue with him.

my critique of him doesnt even begin with the fact that he has shown POOR hands to this point.

My issue with him is he is not fluid in and out of breaks and has TERRIBLE power off the ball. I've seen him. Ive critiqued him. And you know what that means? That means he's easily coverable.

He's lanky, runs herky-jerky, and maybe it's his number, but he reminds me of Darnerian McCants. I don't see much for this guy in the NFL. Not much at all.

Hankerson can be dominate within 30 yards

no he cant. he wont get a better opportunity to play in the NFL than right here and right now. He's not going to get clear starting chances ever again like this one. and he's doing nothing with it.

by the way, he plays extremely soft.

I can agree with alot of your points. I seen him every game in college so i might be biased. College definitely not the pros but i believe.they r not using him the right way nor do i believe hes 100healthy from hip surgery. Considering our offense is cool this year and not the problem, all Im saying is give him and others time to mature. Rarely rwceivers come in the league come out smoking right away. Hes a 3rd rd pick developing, and a 3rd rd pick i mean cmon u expect to see Larry Fitz?

markshark84 wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:

the poster wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:and as for Hankerson.. what da heck has he shown anyone? I mean really?

That guy can't even catch and he's supposed to be a WR???????????

Blaaaaaaaah

+1

I remember catching a TON of flack for all of the people who were enamored with Hankerson for saying the exact same thing during the regular season. I kept hearing how good he was going to be in 2012 and I had no idea what anyone saw in this guy to have so much confidence in him.

Some of us actually watch the games...

and all of you were wrong.

Hankerson will be just fine. Every receiver has a drop now and then. In the regular season he has been pretty sure handed. I think people remember him from hhis rookie preseason droppin balls and that has stuck in everyones minds. Fred Davis shook it and im sure he will the more he play.

Hankerson can be dominate within 30 yards but is not a deep ball guy, that was not his strength in college nor running after the catch. This is why he was a 3rd rd pick, he does not have the potential to be a gamebreaker.....and i dont think no one see him as so people who are optimistic just like his potential to be a steady reliable receiver that can move the chains.

Receivers take time, keep in mind he didnt have a chance to get better or really run in the offseason due to a misdiagnosis once again by our training staff. He will mature...

I don't think Hankerson and "dominant" should ever be uttered in the same sentence. Hankerson just didn't have "a" drop. This has been a consistent problem SINCE COLLEGE that has not improved. Had he caught that pass, it could have changed the momentum of the game. Hankerson was thrown to 4 times and had 1 reception.

So basically you are saying he is a possession receiver. However, he doesn't use his body and has bad hands...... Aren't those the 2 major strengths of a possession receiver?????

Honestly, I don't see any potential in Hankerson. He is slow, can't run after the catch, has bad hands, doesn't run his routes well (he had 2 timing/route errors against PITT), has zero first step speed, can't create separation to save his life, and makes mental errors. I see him as a placeholder until something better comes along. We should in no way invest in him or in his ability to actually progress. While Moss had multiple drops yesterday, I would replace Hankerson with Moss and have Morgan as the other starter. Since Briscoe and Robinson are so horrendous, I actually would put Hankerson at the 3. If Hankerson doesn't fit as a 3, I would just alter playcalling so that Hankerson is typically the 3 or 4th option.

WELL if hes THAT bad maybe Mike Shanahan needs to reevaluate how he selwcts receivers. Come to think about it he may be terrible at selecting them. Morgan nor anyone else has been any better. Fred Davis was the only receiving threat consistent

Countertrey wrote:Don't. Just... don't.

Jeeze, people.

And yet, they still do.