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Irn-Bru wrote:If RGIII shows even some promise at the position, he'll start from day one.

He BETTER show a LOT more than promise in the position. For the price of the trade, he might as well become the franchise QB that was expected from him. There is a learning curve, however, the stakes for him are as high as the rade ... and this was the BIGGEST price thatANY TEAM in the entire HISTORY of the NFL has paid to grab a QB.

Talk about pressure on EVERYBODY, let alone RGIII himself.

By the way, EVERYBODY has assumed that we will get RGIII ... WHat if ... JUST What if ... Irsay and his new sidekick like RGIII more than ...

Naaaaaaaaahhhhh ... impossible ... or is it?

(tongue in chick temptation to start a new thread on the comparison between RGIII and AL)

frankcal20 wrote:I sit him but only if the offensive line is a complete wreck. I don't think it's going to be b/c I feel that's Shanny's next top priority over WR. Shanny loves the run game and while our run stat's were decent last year they can improve. If they get their OT & OG either through the draft or FA & they pan out, RG3 will play. You can't shell shock the guy like many other 1st Rd QB's in years past.

They KNOW their future and this franchise's future stands on the performance and health of the new QB. They SHOULD get a DOMINANT OL, not just a decent one.

I expect them to work hard on FA to improve positions at OL and WR in that order.

It is somewhat shocking that this is even a question, especially for a team that started John Beck for 3 games last year. Especially for a team that had Rex Grossman as it's "best" option last year.

Luck & RG3 should both be opening day starters. Not only because of their extreme talent, but because the teams they are going to SUCK at QB. This isn't an Aaron Rodgers situation. We don't have the luxury of sitting RG3. Our O Line will look much better when fat, RG3Ints isn't back there taking sack, Fumb6's.

Sign Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs & look for a starting RT once the Cap Casualties hit the market.

Doesn't matter who it is Luck or RGIII they need to start from day one. The faster they get past the learning curve the better. There will be bumps in the road, but you have to give them the keys.

The Hogster wrote:Starting him week 1 doesn't mean that he's not the guy for the long term. That logic makes no sense.

I'm sure the Panthers view Cam as their long term solution, but he still started. And, he didn't even have a full offseason. Same for Andy Dalton.

some posters here constantly make it obvious to others that they do not have a clue

Some posters here seem to think they need to let the rest of us know
1 - that they are more knowledgeable than others

AND

2 - that their input here is needed


thankfully Mike is in charge and not some nitwits here

This is NOT Cam Newton or Andy Dalton - DUH - this is Robert Griffin III
and another revelation - He's always going to be just that, he's not anyone else - WAKE UP

RGIII could very well start but it's not because he has to start

HE WILL BE THE STARTING QB WHEN MIKE THINKS HE SHOULD START

NOT because some nitwit fans or the media or anyone else thinks "he has to start on day 1"

Not starting RG3 would be like buying a Lamborghini Aventador and continuing to drive your 98 Nissan Sentra because you don't want to get the Lambo dirty.

The question is WILL he start the opener. My prediction is YES. Think about it. We could go here



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I don't know man. RG3Ints has been working out. Says he can run a 4.3 too. He can run hard for 3 seconds before getting tired.

The Hogster wrote:Not starting RG3 would be like buying a Lamborghini Aventador and continuing to drive your 98 Nissan Sentra because you don't want to get the Lambo dirty.

Rookies all progress at different paces. The Red Wings and Redskins are my favorite teams in pro sports and the Red Wings have down getting players ready to play before they play and using it to make them successful. If he's ready on opening day, then sure, let's start him. But if he's not, there is no reason to rush it. He could start game 2, game 8, or game one year two and it's fine. The goal this year is to develop him. Starting only if it serves that objective.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Not starting RG3 would be like buying a Lamborghini Aventador and continuing to drive your 98 Nissan Sentra because you don't want to get the Lambo dirty.

Rookies all progress at different paces. The Red Wings and Redskins are my favorite teams in pro sports and the Red Wings have down getting players ready to play before they play and using it to make them successful. If he's ready on opening day, then sure, let's start him. But if he's not, there is no reason to rush it. He could start game 2, game 8, or game one year two and it's fine. The goal this year is to develop him. Starting only if it serves that objective.

Becoming a great QB is a task for all QBs. But, would you want to leave RG's athleticism on the bench for a season? Cam Newton will likely be a better QB next season, but he did break rookie rushing and passing records last season helping that team from somewhere in the 30s to Top 10 offensively. RG is going to be most explosive in his early years. I say take advantage of that asset.

The Hogster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Not starting RG3 would be like buying a Lamborghini Aventador and continuing to drive your 98 Nissan Sentra because you don't want to get the Lambo dirty.

Rookies all progress at different paces. The Red Wings and Redskins are my favorite teams in pro sports and the Red Wings have down getting players ready to play before they play and using it to make them successful. If he's ready on opening day, then sure, let's start him. But if he's not, there is no reason to rush it. He could start game 2, game 8, or game one year two and it's fine. The goal this year is to develop him. Starting only if it serves that objective.

Becoming a great QB is a task for all QBs. But, would you want to leave RG's athleticism on the bench for a season? Cam Newton will likely be a better QB next season, but he did break rookie rushing and passing records last season helping that team from somewhere in the 30s to Top 10 offensively. RG is going to be most explosive in his early years. I say take advantage of that asset.

I said start him if he's ready, don't start him if he's not. So to your question, "would you want to leave RG's athleticism on the bench for a season?" If he's not ready, then yes, I would. And it's not a question of game 1 the first year or the second year. If he's not ready, he can play in situations and he can start whenever he is ready. If we have Grossman or a Journeyman, I can't see they're going to keep him on the bench when he's ready.

I didn't vote because my answer wasn't represented. If he's ready, start him. If he's not, don't.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote: Rookies all progress at different paces. The Red Wings and Redskins are my favorite teams in pro sports and the Red Wings have down getting players ready to play before they play and using it to make them successful. If he's ready on opening day, then sure, let's start him. But if he's not, there is no reason to rush it. He could start game 2, game 8, or game one year two and it's fine. The goal this year is to develop him. Starting only if it serves that objective.

Becoming a great QB is a task for all QBs. But, would you want to leave RG's athleticism on the bench for a season? Cam Newton will likely be a better QB next season, but he did break rookie rushing and passing records last season helping that team from somewhere in the 30s to Top 10 offensively. RG is going to be most explosive in his early years. I say take advantage of that asset.

I said start him if he's ready, don't start him if he's not. So to your question, "would you want to leave RG's athleticism on the bench for a season?" If he's not ready, then yes, I would. And it's not a question of game 1 the first year or the second year. If he's not ready, he can play in situations and he can start whenever he is ready. If we have Grossman or a Journeyman, I can't see they're going to keep him on the bench when he's ready.

I hear you. What I'm saying is if RG3 is not "ready" or doesn't "know the offense" by week 1, that's Kyle's fault. I get tired of coaches overcomplicating things and giving up precious opportunities along the way. The Panthers tailored their offense to Newton. Same with the Broncos. They won games while their QB got experience. I hope Kyle doesn't think he's a mad scientist and sit RG3 while he tries to re-program him with his Super Duper Scheme.

A good coordinator can tailor his offense to fit the skills of the players. Out of the gate, RG3 has skills that can damage defenses. I hope Kyle gets him ready by tweaking what we do to maximize his skills. I hope Kyle doesn't try to get RG3 to play just like Matt Schuabb or Rex Grossman because that would be a waste to me.

Last year all we heard was who will start Rex or Beck....Rex or Beck. Then we heard when will they pull Rex...When will they pull Rex. Then we heard when will they pull Beck...When will they pull Beck. There should be no question and no doubt from the first day of training camp!. I really don't want to hear every minute of everyday When will they start RGIII....When will they start RGIII.

The issue is, primarily, how quickly can he adjust to NFL speed. The common theme when asking rooks about the biggest difference between college and the pros is not "scheme" or "reads"... it's the speed with which things happen.

The question is NOT "how long will it take for RG3 to adjust to NFL speed?", but "can the OL protect him adequately while he adjusts to NFL speed?" If the answer to the second question is "Yes", then start him immediately, and let him make his mistakes. He is mentally very tough... a few late reads and poor decisions are not going to hurt him... but having his head taken off by a hit from the blind side, will...

Countertrey wrote:The issue is, primarily, how quickly can he adjust to NFL speed. The common theme when asking rooks about the biggest difference between college and the pros is not "scheme" or "reads"... it's the speed with which things happen.

The question is NOT "how long will it take for RG3 to adjust to NFL speed?", but "can the OL protect him adequately while he adjusts to NFL speed?" If the answer to the second question is "Yes", then start him immediately, and let him make his mistakes. He is mentally very tough... a few late reads and poor decisions are not going to hurt him... but having his head taken off by a hit from the blind side, will...

Exactly. If we're going to turn the ball over 3 times a game (Rex) then we might as well have RG learning as he goes.

I also think that RG will make our line look a lot better than it was. Beck took something like 7 or 8 sacks against the Bills, and every coach on the radio said that most of those were him holding the ball too long. Rex is about as mobile as a turtle. So, our line may not be as bad as we think.

We need a RT for sure and an upgrade at LG for sure. If we can land Nicks or Grubbs, and either get Brown healthy, or land a RT once the cap casualties hit the market, then I say our line will be good enough for a guy like RG.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote: Rookies all progress at different paces. The Red Wings and Redskins are my favorite teams in pro sports and the Red Wings have down getting players ready to play before they play and using it to make them successful. If he's ready on opening day, then sure, let's start him. But if he's not, there is no reason to rush it. He could start game 2, game 8, or game one year two and it's fine. The goal this year is to develop him. Starting only if it serves that objective.

Becoming a great QB is a task for all QBs. But, would you want to leave RG's athleticism on the bench for a season? Cam Newton will likely be a better QB next season, but he did break rookie rushing and passing records last season helping that team from somewhere in the 30s to Top 10 offensively. RG is going to be most explosive in his early years. I say take advantage of that asset.

I said start him if he's ready, don't start him if he's not. So to your question, "would you want to leave RG's athleticism on the bench for a season?" If he's not ready, then yes, I would. And it's not a question of game 1 the first year or the second year. If he's not ready, he can play in situations and he can start whenever he is ready. If we have Grossman or a Journeyman, I can't see they're going to keep him on the bench when he's ready.

You don't trade multiple first rounders and draft a player #2 overall that you don't think is ready to start early on. Cam, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Matt Ryan...the last five qbs drafted top 5 and all of them started Day 1. The last top 5 qb not to start was JaMarcuss Russell and he had a protracted holdout.

My only concern... can RG3 be protected while he adapts to NFL speed...
This kid will be able to start day 1...

Word is, he performed like this in the Redskins interview... that committed the FO to get this trade done.

Countertrey wrote:My only concern... can RG3 be protected while he adapts to NFL speed...
This kid will be able to start day 1...

I'm ready for an OTA, Training Camp. Anything. Let's go!

CanesSkins26 wrote:You don't trade multiple first rounders and draft a player #2 overall that you don't think is ready to start early on. Cam, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Matt Ryan...the last five qbs drafted top 5 and all of them started Day 1. The last top 5 qb not to start was JaMarcuss Russell and he had a protracted holdout.

And with the CBA there is zero chance of a holdout. (Really, RGIII shouldn't even hire an agent . . . just a lawyer to read over the contract and make sure there isn't any funny business.)

I really can't see anyone else but RGIII starting on day one, unless we acquire another FA QB before then. But that move would puzzle me, I have to admit.

Redskin in Canada wrote:tongue in chick temptation

Hey, hey, hey let's keep that kind of talk in the Smack forum.

I think that RGIII starts day 1

RGIII is NOT starting day 1 because:

1- he has to

OR

2 - That's why we traded for him

btw - I ALSO did not participate in the poll - ONLY because it's a stupid poll

If RGIII's competition in the preseason is Rex and/or Beck, he will be starting week 1. I just don't see trading everything they did for him just to have him ride the bench for a couple of games, especially if he outshines (and I'm almost 100% sure he will) Grossman/Beck in the preseason.

SkinsJock wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Starting him week 1 doesn't mean that he's not the guy for the long term. That logic makes no sense.

I'm sure the Panthers view Cam as their long term solution, but he still started. And, he didn't even have a full offseason. Same for Andy Dalton.

some posters here constantly make it obvious to others that they do not have a clue

Some posters here seem to think they need to let the rest of us know
1 - that they are more knowledgeable than others

AND

2 - that their input here is needed


thankfully Mike is in charge and not some nitwits here

This is NOT Cam Newton or Andy Dalton - DUH - this is Robert Griffin III
and another revelation - He's always going to be just that, he's not anyone else - WAKE UP

RGIII could very well start but it's not because he has to start

HE WILL BE THE STARTING QB WHEN MIKE THINKS HE SHOULD START

NOT because some nitwit fans or the media or anyone else thinks "he has to start on day 1"

I'm not going to engage here, because this post is written at the 8th grade level. So, I'll assume an 8th grader wrote it--making an argument just wrong.

For reference, the highlighted part of your post is typical of a SkinsJock contribution. It's a fluffy statement of the obvious and you think is an educated opinion. He will start when Mike thinks so. Duh. Mike isn't here though. So, you roll with the opinions of the people here. Your post uses excess words to say nothing. Mike is the Head Coach. So of course RG3 will start when Mike wants him to. That's not the question. The question is whether WE THINK he will be ready Day 1. Good grief.

SkinsJock wrote:I think that RGIII starts day 1

RGIII is NOT starting day 1 because:

1- he has to

OR

2 - That's why we traded for him

btw - I ALSO did not participate in the poll - ONLY because it's a stupid poll

Do you even read this stuff??

WTF