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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:The guy is one of the best QBs ever and as competitive a player as there is in the league. If he signs up to play with a new team for 2012, I fully expect he's going to bring it. He's not going to embarrass himself. And if he's playing for a team with an actual defense, he'll probably be back in the playoffs himself this year.

Again agreed. Griffin is plan A. But Peyton, keeping our #6 and possibly getting Tannehill would be a decent fall back plan.

I would puke under any situation if the Skins took Tannehill at #6 and I would be extremely livid if they took him there after signing Manning!

You can reach a little for a QB, but you can't take a 2nd round QB @ #6! I understand that some teams, including ours, have been "mocked" taking him in the top ten, but he is still a 2nd round tallent. I would be OK with them taking him in the middle of the first round but taking him in the top ten is simply irresponsible!

skinsfan#33 wrote:I would puke under any situation if the Skins took Tannehill at #6 and I would be extremely livid if they took him there after signing Manning!

You can reach a little for a QB, but you can't take a 2nd round QB @ #6! I understand that some teams, including ours, have been "mocked" taking him in the top ten, but he is still a 2nd round tallent. I would be OK with them taking him in the middle of the first round but taking him in the top ten is simply irresponsible!

Scouts Inc. gave him a grade of 93 which is tied for 13th among all draft prospects.

A premier college player with all the physical tools to take over a game and play at a championship level. He demonstrates elite-to-rare NFL potential and rates in the top 5 players nationally at his position. A prospect with a grade of 99 or 100 is rare. Prospects carrying grades between 92-98 are considered mid-to-high first rounders, while prospects grading out between 90-91 are fringe first rounders.

There is no way that guy is going in the second round.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:The guy is one of the best QBs ever and as competitive a player as there is in the league. If he signs up to play with a new team for 2012, I fully expect he's going to bring it. He's not going to embarrass himself. And if he's playing for a team with an actual defense, he'll probably be back in the playoffs himself this year.

Again agreed. Griffin is plan A. But Peyton, keeping our #6 and possibly getting Tannehill would be a decent fall back plan.

I would puke under any situation if the Skins took Tannehill at #6 and I would be extremely livid if they took him there after signing Manning!

You can reach a little for a QB, but you can't take a 2nd round QB @ #6! I understand that some teams, including ours, have been "mocked" taking him in the top ten, but he is still a 2nd round tallent. I would be OK with them taking him in the middle of the first round but taking him in the top ten is simply irresponsible!

I neither said nor meant to take Tannehill at #6. I've said all along I'm interested in him late first round at the earliest. I would trade our second rounder up into the late first round though to get him. But if someone wants to Ponder him, they can have him...

edit: I see what confused you in the phrasing, it can be read either way. But I meant "keep #6" as well as "possibly get Tannehill" I didn't mean keep #6 and use it on Tannehill.

Griffin has already said he would understand if he had to sit for a year or tewo behind a Peyton Manning. I don't understand why people are thinking we would be signing Peyton to be our franchise QB. He would at best be a two year stop-gap while we groom our rookie draft pick to be the real franchise QB.

riggofan wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:I would puke under any situation if the Skins took Tannehill at #6 and I would be extremely livid if they took him there after signing Manning!

You can reach a little for a QB, but you can't take a 2nd round QB @ #6! I understand that some teams, including ours, have been "mocked" taking him in the top ten, but he is still a 2nd round tallent. I would be OK with them taking him in the middle of the first round but taking him in the top ten is simply irresponsible!

Scouts Inc. gave him a grade of 93 which is tied for 13th among all draft prospects.

A premier college player with all the physical tools to take over a game and play at a championship level. He demonstrates elite-to-rare NFL potential and rates in the top 5 players nationally at his position. A prospect with a grade of 99 or 100 is rare. Prospects carrying grades between 92-98 are considered mid-to-high first rounders, while prospects grading out between 90-91 are fringe first rounders.

There is no way that guy is going in the second round.

OK, but when Landry Jones and MatT Barkely were still potential draft picks for 2012 Tannehill was a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

The Bleacher Report has him as the #1 reach that won't pay off.

If you went back and look at where he was ranked at the end of the NCAA regular season he was a second round pick and certainly not in the top 25 of available players. To me that is a better judge of where he should really fall.

So it is need and circumstance that is driving his stock up. He is most definately a very talented QB, but he is one of the riskiest picks too. You can't take that big of a risk at #6!

skinsfan#33 wrote:OK, but when Landry Jones and MatT Barkely were still potential draft picks for 2012 Tannehill was a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

So what? I doubt RGIII was the #2 pick at the point either. Look at Cam Newton's projected draft position three months before the draft.

skinsfan#33 wrote: The Bleacher Report has him as the #1 reach that won't pay off.

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Prowl33 wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:There is no doubt that the Redskins will make an all out push to get Peyton Manning. I certainly would not be against it. I just cannot see Peyton Manning coming to the Redskins. First, the Redskins are not a "one player away" from being a Super Bowl contender which is probably foremost on his agenda. Second, coming to the Redskins who have obvious major offense problems would not help his legacy. Third, I just cannot see Manning coming to the division with his brother in it. To much of a media circus twice a year.

What do the redskins have to offer except money? He has plenty of that.

What we are is 1 player away from the playoffs. You insert any capable QB into our system last year, and you would of had a 10-6 team easy. I would say we are a full season away from super bowl contention if everything goes 100% right

I can agree and disagree. I agree that we may be one player away from the playoffs, IF (big, big IF) it is the right player. I agree than Manning might get us to the playoffs but remember that Manning has a history of not doing real well in the playoffs.

I disagree that Manning can get us to the Super Bowl and I disagree that we are a full season away from the Super Bowl. No team makes the Super Bowl with a suspect o-line, middle of the road running back and receiver corps, which we have. The only real positive we have on offense is the Tight Ends.

If getting Peyton Manning sets the team back from getting a long term franchise quarterback, then I am against the move. If he is a year or two replacement with a future franchise quarterback on the bench, then I am for the move. The Redskins have been burnt and laughed at for several years as being the final dumping ground for old players.

Let me modify this a bit. If the Redskins got Manning, Wayne and Garcon as a package deal. Then we may be a Super Bowl contender this year.

With the Redskins' luck, if we sign Manning, the first time an opposing blitzer looks at him wrong, it'll end his career.

I'm convinced nothing good can come of this.

aswas71788 wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:There is no doubt that the Redskins will make an all out push to get Peyton Manning. I certainly would not be against it. I just cannot see Peyton Manning coming to the Redskins. First, the Redskins are not a "one player away" from being a Super Bowl contender which is probably foremost on his agenda. Second, coming to the Redskins who have obvious major offense problems would not help his legacy. Third, I just cannot see Manning coming to the division with his brother in it. To much of a media circus twice a year.

What do the redskins have to offer except money? He has plenty of that.

What we are is 1 player away from the playoffs. You insert any capable QB into our system last year, and you would of had a 10-6 team easy. I would say we are a full season away from super bowl contention if everything goes 100% right

I can agree and disagree. I agree that we may be one player away from the playoffs, IF (big, big IF) it is the right player. I agree than Manning might get us to the playoffs but remember that Manning has a history of not doing real well in the playoffs.

I disagree that Manning can get us to the Super Bowl and I disagree that we are a full season away from the Super Bowl. No team makes the Super Bowl with a suspect o-line, middle of the road running back and receiver corps, which we have. The only real positive we have on offense is the Tight Ends.

If getting Peyton Manning sets the team back from getting a long term franchise quarterback, then I am against the move. If he is a year or two replacement with a future franchise quarterback on the bench, then I am for the move. The Redskins have been burnt and laughed at for several years as being the final dumping ground for old players.

Let me modify this a bit. If the Redskins got Manning, Wayne and Garcon as a package deal. Then we may be a Super Bowl contender this year.

So the Giants didn't have a suspect O-line and middle of the road RB's ? Their talent was D-line, QB and WR's and that's what got them to the SB (along with a little luck). The year before the Packers had a suspect o-line and mediocr RB's and did the same thing. A legit QB hides sooo many weaknesses and that point is being missed.

aswas71788 wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:There is no doubt that the Redskins will make an all out push to get Peyton Manning. I certainly would not be against it. I just cannot see Peyton Manning coming to the Redskins. First, the Redskins are not a "one player away" from being a Super Bowl contender which is probably foremost on his agenda. Second, coming to the Redskins who have obvious major offense problems would not help his legacy. Third, I just cannot see Manning coming to the division with his brother in it. To much of a media circus twice a year.

What do the redskins have to offer except money? He has plenty of that.

What we are is 1 player away from the playoffs. You insert any capable QB into our system last year, and you would of had a 10-6 team easy. I would say we are a full season away from super bowl contention if everything goes 100% right

I can agree and disagree. I agree that we may be one player away from the playoffs, IF (big, big IF) it is the right player. I agree than Manning might get us to the playoffs but remember that Manning has a history of not doing real well in the playoffs.

I disagree that Manning can get us to the Super Bowl and I disagree that we are a full season away from the Super Bowl. No team makes the Super Bowl with a suspect o-line, middle of the road running back and receiver corps, which we have. The only real positive we have on offense is the Tight Ends.

If getting Peyton Manning sets the team back from getting a long term franchise quarterback, then I am against the move. If he is a year or two replacement with a future franchise quarterback on the bench, then I am for the move. The Redskins have been burnt and laughed at for several years as being the final dumping ground for old players.

Let me modify this a bit. If the Redskins got Manning, Wayne and Garcon as a package deal. Then we may be a Super Bowl contender this year.

So the Giants didn't have a suspect O-line and middle of the road RB's ? Their talent was D-line, QB and WR's and that's what got them to the SB (along with a little luck). The year before the Packers had a suspect o-line and mediocr RB's and did the same thing. A legit QB hides sooo many weaknesses and that point is being missed.

I agree with you in that if this sets the franchise back from securing a long-term QB that I don't think it's a great move for the long run. But, if Peyton is healthy next year then I personally feel this team can compete at an extremely high level.

skinsfan#33 wrote:
The Bleacher Report has him as the #1 reach that won't pay off.

You know... the Bleacher Report has some good writers... but they've also linked to more than their share of azzclowns... Hell, they've even linked to a couple of MY blogs...



I'm just sayin...


OTOH, I happen to agree with your point, here. Tannehill is not #6 talent at this point in his career...

ATX_Skins wrote:Am I the only person who would be infuriated if we add Peyton Manning?

He will not finish an entire season. This would be a step in the wrong direction.

But hey, anything to sell tickets right Dan?

Yes, I would also -- but then again I would also be infuriated if we gave up 2 first round picks to draft RGIII.

So, I guess I'd be infuriated regardless.

^^^ Doomed to be infuriated...

riggofan wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:OK, but when Landry Jones and MatT Barkely were still potential draft picks for 2012 Tannehill was a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

So what? I doubt RGIII was the #2 pick at the point either. Look at Cam Newton's projected draft position three months before the draft.

skinsfan#33 wrote: The Bleacher Report has him as the #1 reach that won't pay off.

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I didn't know that about the bleacher report,, but I'm sure I could find many more creditable sources, but don't care to put the effort in. The bleacher report was the first one on the google search that was national at all.

Actually, as soon as Luck decided to return to college, Cam was #1 on most lists.

My point was, taking Tannehill in the top ten would be a reach of topic proportions. And that happens with QBs, but most teams regret it.

If Peyton is healthy, I think he'll be the greatest FA acquisition of the offseason for whichever team gets him.

But is he healthy?

I like the plan to sit tight and make the deal to acquire RGIII in April. But I won't be crying if we get Manning. It just has to work out better than McNabb.

Anyone who would not love having Peyton Manning as their QB is smoking some serious weed.

He's not "one hit away from retirement" as some suggest ... in fact his doctors say his neck is actually stronger than before the surgeries. The only issue has been the nerve regeneration, and that seems to be going along just fine ... as his most recent throwing session is reported to have looked good. And an 80% Peyton Manning is better than most of the QBs in the league at 100%.

That being said, I don't see him coming here .... Miami or Seattle are his most likely choices, because Peyton Manning is going to direct the offense wherever he goes and I don't see the Shanahans giving up that kind of control.

The better bet is to go all in on RG3 .... and a big fat NO to the inexperienced Tannehill regardless of his potential. He's a project and bust risk, and especially as a 1st rounder. He's a 2nd, 3rd rounder that you groom as a backup and thank your lucky stars if he manages to become a starter 2 or 3 years down the road. If you wanna draft him ... go after Flynn in FA instead ... at least he's shown his ability at the NFL level.

oneman56 wrote:a little off topic but..., everyone saying the Reskins' are not one player away is somewhat funny to me. Would you rate this years Colts team as one player away? Add P. Manning back to that same team and they are a realistically in the SB conversation as proven for his entire career just about....dude is THAT good. A legit QB makes all the difference and makes up for weaknesses in other areas. I'm not suggesting the Skins' are or are not 1 player away but if you have a QB like him and he's healthy you have shot every year IMO.

typical redskin fan comment. particularly here in this part of the offseason, which proves to be the most exciting part of a redskins season.

what variable u didn't include, genius, is that they would win because he's a colt. has always been a colt. 14 years in that offense. that's his team. put him in the line, they would probably win 2 outta every 3 games because that's his comfort zone.

when these broken down old stars leave home and come to Washington, that's where they experience failure. it happens every single time and would happen again here.

you're not getting rg3 though so forget about him....he's a Cleveland brown....and your meaningless win vs the giants at the end of the year cost u him (thank u very much).

you guys will get something like Matt Flynn plus Ryan tannehill. enjoy.

the poster wrote:

oneman56 wrote:a little off topic but..., everyone saying the Reskins' are not one player away is somewhat funny to me. Would you rate this years Colts team as one player away? Add P. Manning back to that same team and they are a realistically in the SB conversation as proven for his entire career just about....dude is THAT good. A legit QB makes all the difference and makes up for weaknesses in other areas. I'm not suggesting the Skins' are or are not 1 player away but if you have a QB like him and he's healthy you have shot every year IMO.

typical redskin fan comment. particularly here in this part of the offseason, which proves to be the most exciting part of a redskins season.

what variable u didn't include, genius, is that they would win because he's a colt. has always been a colt. 14 years in that offense. that's his team. put him in the line, they would probably win 2 outta every 3 games because that's his comfort zone.

when these broken down old stars leave home and come to Washington, that's where they experience failure. it happens every single time and would happen again here.

you're not getting rg3 though so forget about him....he's a Cleveland brown....and your meaningless win vs the giants at the end of the year cost u him (thank u very much).

you guys will get something like Matt Flynn plus Ryan tannehill. enjoy.

Aside from being the most ignorant post I've read on this board ... and so bottom feeder rude too .... I'd ask just what the Cleveland Browns have ever done in the age of non-leather helmets? Since the answer is NOTHING ... feel free to not respond.

the poster wrote:

oneman56 wrote:a little off topic but..., everyone saying the Reskins' are not one player away is somewhat funny to me. Would you rate this years Colts team as one player away? Add P. Manning back to that same team and they are a realistically in the SB conversation as proven for his entire career just about....dude is THAT good. A legit QB makes all the difference and makes up for weaknesses in other areas. I'm not suggesting the Skins' are or are not 1 player away but if you have a QB like him and he's healthy you have shot every year IMO.

typical redskin fan comment. particularly here in this part of the offseason, which proves to be the most exciting part of a redskins season.

what variable u didn't include, genius, is that they would win because he's a colt. has always been a colt. 14 years in that offense. that's his team. put him in the line, they would probably win 2 outta every 3 games because that's his comfort zone.

when these broken down old stars leave home and come to Washington, that's where they experience failure. it happens every single time and would happen again here.

you're not getting rg3 though so forget about him....he's a Cleveland brown....and your meaningless win vs the giants at the end of the year cost u him (thank u very much).

you guys will get something like Matt Flynn plus Ryan tannehill. enjoy.

Is there not a forum for Browns fans to sound off on...?!?!? I mean, its a bit rich to come on here giving it large about all the faults with the Redskins when you're a Browns fan!!! Although I guess you must be an expert in recognising struggling teams as you've seen so many....

I grant you that over the last few years the off-season has been the most exciting part of the season for Redskins fans, but that's still better than anything the Browns have to get excited about. I'm just glad you got your team back, and I guess you all are too because that's about as good as it's gonna get for a long while.

I tell you know, and take heed, if the Redskins want RGIII then the Redskins will get RGIII, and there's bugger-all the Browns or anyone else can do about it. So unless you've been talking with Mike Shanahan and he's told you he's not that interested in getting Griffin I'd keep quiet if I were you....

the poster wrote:

oneman56 wrote:a little off topic but..., everyone saying the Reskins' are not one player away is somewhat funny to me. Would you rate this years Colts team as one player away? Add P. Manning back to that same team and they are a realistically in the SB conversation as proven for his entire career just about....dude is THAT good. A legit QB makes all the difference and makes up for weaknesses in other areas. I'm not suggesting the Skins' are or are not 1 player away but if you have a QB like him and he's healthy you have shot every year IMO.

typical redskin fan comment. particularly here in this part of the offseason, which proves to be the most exciting part of a redskins season.

what variable u didn't include, genius, is that they would win because he's a colt. has always been a colt. 14 years in that offense. that's his team. put him in the line, they would probably win 2 outta every 3 games because that's his comfort zone.

when these broken down old stars leave home and come to Washington, that's where they experience failure. it happens every single time and would happen again here.

you're not getting rg3 though so forget about him....he's a Cleveland brown....and your meaningless win vs the giants at the end of the year cost u him (thank u very much).

you guys will get something like Matt Flynn plus Ryan tannehill. enjoy.

Do you really beilieve that MIke Holmgren is going to outbid Dan Snyder?????

Deadskins wrote:Griffin has already said he would understand if he had to sit for a year or tewo behind a Peyton Manning. I don't understand why people are thinking we would be signing Peyton to be our franchise QB. He would at best be a two year stop-gap while we groom our rookie draft pick to be the real franchise QB.

I already answered this for you. If we sign Peyton, we are taking a shot. We need to get as much talent now around him as possible. If we get Griffin, we are building to be really good in 2-3 years. We have so much cap and so many resources and we need to pick one direction, not two.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:The guy is one of the best QBs ever and as competitive a player as there is in the league. If he signs up to play with a new team for 2012, I fully expect he's going to bring it. He's not going to embarrass himself. And if he's playing for a team with an actual defense, he'll probably be back in the playoffs himself this year.

Again agreed. Griffin is plan A. But Peyton, keeping our #6 and possibly getting Tannehill would be a decent fall back plan.

The only way I wouldn't mind signing Manning is if we did in fact draft Tannehill to learn under him for 1-2 seasons...So I totally agree with this comment.

PAPDOG67 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:The guy is one of the best QBs ever and as competitive a player as there is in the league. If he signs up to play with a new team for 2012, I fully expect he's going to bring it. He's not going to embarrass himself. And if he's playing for a team with an actual defense, he'll probably be back in the playoffs himself this year.

Again agreed. Griffin is plan A. But Peyton, keeping our #6 and possibly getting Tannehill would be a decent fall back plan.

The only way I wouldn't mind signing Manning is if we did in fact draft Tannehill to learn under him for 1-2 seasons...So I totally agree with this comment.

Exactly. Griffin is a lot closer to playing and if we get Tannehill we keep our #1 pick the next two years to use on other players.

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:This chasing of legends at the tailend of their career just never works. Manning = Montana, Redskins = Chiefs.

Montana immediately took the Chiefs to a 13 win season AND the AFC Championship game, and the playoffs the next year. I think a lot of teams including the Redskins would be happy with those results.

They only had Montana for two years though. To me that is the bigger issue. Like I've said, it might be fun to have Peyton for a year or two, but I'd personally rather find our QB for the next decade.

Also I don't agree with all of these comments that Manning is washed up or that he's not going to last the season. The guy is one of the best QBs ever and as competitive a player as there is in the league. If he signs up to play with a new team for 2012, I fully expect he's going to bring it. He's not going to embarrass himself. And if he's playing for a team with an actual defense, he'll probably be back in the playoffs himself this year.

OK, my memory has let me down there as I had Montana struggling in Kansas!!! Fair enough, I take that back, but that would be an exception to the rule. 36 year olds starting over with another team, another coach, another system, another city, etc. It doesn;t bode well...

His age is a concern, his fitness another. I don't doubt that he will 'bring it', he's an athlete of integrity. But that dont count for much after he's had his neck put out again after a nasty hit.

It's a big risk, if he was 29 then yeah, go for it. He has time to come back. But not this time.

Didn't an old beat up Kurt Warner take the Arizona Cardinals within 2 minutes of winning the superbowl not too long ago?

Prowl33 wrote: ... What we are is 1 player away from the playoffs.

WRONG

This franchise will be in the playoffs this season BECAUSE the FO has done a very good job in re-making this franchise

THIS IS A TEAM GAME - it is critical to our long term success to acquire a great QB but we MUST also CONTINUE to add the other pieces


I'd like to have Peyton Manning but we really need to get Robert Griffin III ... AND ... we're not getting both
Manning is a short term solution for this franchise - we could even win 10 games with him as QB, BUT for how long

Griffin gives this franchise a franchise QB for many years, NOT just 1 year

Manning will NOT be coming to the Redskins to give RGIII time to get ready to play QB
If it takes RGIII more than 1 season to be able to help this franchise win games, then we have made a bad mistake


HOPEFULLY Manning goes to the Cards, Dolphins or the Jets and we get RGIII



we need this FO to CONTINUE to add players that make this franchise consistently competitive ... NOT "just make the playoffs ..."