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emoses14 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

dbfan2007 wrote:Most scenarios I see have Washington giving up too much. I like RGIII, but I still think it's a lot to risk. No one wants another Ricky Williams scenario.

It's swapping #1s, a 2nd and maybe a fourth plus a #1 next year.

These aren't the same Redskins... the bottom line is they have 9 picks going into the draft (they won't get compensation for losing players like Carlos Rogers, and Andre Carter but the NFL will only award about 26 picks to teams that lost more players than they gained in free agency last season. The remaining compensatory picks go to the teams at the top of the draft order (8 picks are projected to be left over and the Skins will get one) So thy are giving up two picks and will make 7 selections. If every team kept all their picks and every tam used all of their picks, every team would make seven selections. They have 8 picks as of now in 2013 trading one now will leave them with seven... nothing like Ricky Williams and not as much as the Gnats gave up for Peyton's lil' bro

But. . . But. . . "They're giving up too much! "They're reverting back to the old washington redskins under Snyder of win now at any cost! Stop the insanity!" (h/t Mike wise http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/re ... story.html) . Getting RG3 would be GIVING UP ON the build through the draft plan of Shannahan!!!! It doesn't matter that the reality of the trade will probably be closer to what you just said, leaving us with still more draft picks than any year under cerrato. Stop confusing the opinions and emotional diarrhea with your FACTS!



Yet again, the backlash over the alleged compensation given by the 'Skins to move up to 2 and get RG3 is being cast in the most negative light possible, seemingly for no other reason than its the 'Skins. Its not even a done deal for christ's sake! As you've put it, to get a franchise changing quarterback and STILL HAVE 7 PICKS this year AND NEXT YEAR is amazing.

You're swapping 1sts, which is only moving up 4 spots. Then giving up a second, fourth, and first.

I'm just implying that this is a lot to give up on a guy who could be a bust. Vince Young was this great athlete. People wanted Houston to draft him. Some also wanted Houston to get Reggie Bush. At the time, you'd be crazy to think Jay Cutler would have more success than Young and Leinart. RGIII isn't a savior. I have no clue about the Skins of old you're talking about, so that's irrelevant. I like RGIII, but I'm not sure where he turned into a guy who's a #2 overall pick. He's a fast quarterback that played in a pass happy conference.

1niksder wrote:

dbfan2007 wrote:Most scenarios I see have Washington giving up too much. I like RGIII, but I still think it's a lot to risk. No one wants another Ricky Williams scenario.

It's swapping #1s, a 2nd and maybe a fourth plus a #1 next year.

These aren't the same Redskins... the bottom line is they have 9 picks going into the draft (they won't get compensation for losing players like Carlos Rogers, and Andre Carter but the NFL will only award about 26 picks to teams that lost more players than they gained in free agency last season. The remaining compensatory picks go to the teams at the top of the draft order (8 picks are projected to be left over and the Skins will get one) So thy are giving up two picks and will make 7 selections. If every team kept all their picks and every tam used all of their picks, every team would make seven selections. They have 8 picks as of now in 2013 trading one now will leave them with seven... nothing like Ricky Williams and not as much as the Gnats gave up for Peyton's lil' bro

I read all of that and walked away from it like...

To heck with it, I'll just wait till draft day.

If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

The Hogster wrote:If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

If Im St Louis, I would just give the skins the 2nd pick because I would feel sorry for the redskins fans for all the bs they have had to put up with for the last 20 yrs

The Hogster wrote:If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

In support of that, the Rams know that even if we manage to improve the overall team we're probably going to start a rookie QB. Even if he's as good as hoped, he's going to struggle as a rookie.

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

If Im St Louis, I would just give the skins the 2nd pick because I would feel sorry for the redskins fans for all the bs they have had to put up with for the last 20 yrs

True. And, even with RG3 it's no given we will be a Top 10 team next year. We might b picking higher next year. Hopefully not tho

The Hogster wrote:

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

If Im St Louis, I would just give the skins the 2nd pick because I would feel sorry for the redskins fans for all the bs they have had to put up with for the last 20 yrs

True. And, even with RG3 it's no given we will be a Top 10 team next year. We might b picking higher next year. Hopefully not tho

I wasnt too happy with all the trading up talk at first but I've changed my mind. We have already waited to long for a great QB so lets do whatever it takes to get him. We as fans deserve RG3!!

http://rg3hope.tumblr.com/

Check this out. The DC Campaign is in effect.

Ha ha good find! Would be a perfect bumper sticker

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Ha ha good find! Would be a perfect bumper sticker

I would pic post it but I'm in the air. Someone should share. Lol. He's got my vote.

There you go, Hogster... Safe flight!

Countertrey wrote:

There you go, Hogster... Safe flight!

+1

Thanks. As for the RG3 pic. Yes We Can!

Thank God! Now I have a reason NOT to puke when I hear that slogan...

The Hogster wrote:

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

If Im St Louis, I would just give the skins the 2nd pick because I would feel sorry for the redskins fans for all the bs they have had to put up with for the last 20 yrs

True. And, even with RG3 it's no given we will be a Top 10 team next year. We might b picking higher next year. Hopefully not tho

True Hogster true. If we get him like the pic says, we have hope. It probably will take a while, but at least we have someone to build around.

The Hogster wrote:

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

If Im St Louis, I would just give the skins the 2nd pick because I would feel sorry for the redskins fans for all the bs they have had to put up with for the last 20 yrs

True. And, even with RG3 it's no given we will be a Top 10 team next year. We might b picking higher next year. Hopefully not tho

True.....but the Brown stink it up year in, year out too..... worst than US. At least we have SuperBowl wins....ahahaha

emoses14 wrote:The portion of the wise article that I take exception with is . . .

Excellent takedown.

frankcal20 wrote:Personally I like what Wise wrote. Some folks don't like the idea because everything said there is true.

. . . and maybe some other folks don't like the article because Wise is full of it.

There is no argument that anyone can make that says that a college player coming out is a guarantee especially when you look at the LACK of success that 1st round QBs have had.

But the fact remains that the 1st round is where the vast majority of successful quarterbacks are selected. Without looking it up first, how many quarterbacks in the top 20 of last year's passers would you guess were not drafted in the first round?

Neither you nor Wise are taking a neutral, objective position on this. To nay-say a 1st round QB pick is the same thing as affirming a FA acquisition, trade, or picking up a QB in the lower rounds. It's impossible not to take a risk when acquiring a new starting quarterback, period. Nothing is guaranteed. For the most part, either he will be a young unproven talent, or he's a FA/trade that wasn't working out elsewhere.

Saying that you can't "guarantee" a college player is irrelevant, because you can't guarantee an FA acquisition or low QB draft pick with any greater consistency.

No matter who you get, it's a risk. The question is which risks are worth taking. So, turning back to that top 20 passers chart, you tell me which is more likely for the Redskins: drafting a successful quarterback in the first round, or grabbing another body or two off the scrap pile and seeing if things will be different this time.

every player coming out of college is a risk

this FO will find a way to bring in RGIII - the only issue is not IF he will become a really good NFL QB but when

RGIII is going to need help to make the transition from the college game

RGIII will be a very good to great NFL QB and he will be wearing B&G

frankcal20 wrote:I see your point but I can't cay I agree with everything he's saying but I do understand the phylosophy. You're also not factoring in that next year there will be more QB's to choose from that the true 2 first round worthy Qb's in this year draft.

I just don't think Shannahan will survive another year without a QB in place, and I think it's a hail Mary to expect a guy like Tannahill or someone from free agency to be THAT guy. Manning doesn't fit.

I say he won't survive, because the fan base is going to deflate completely if we don't have someone in place. I know I will.

Countertrey wrote:Thank God! Now I have a reason NOT to puke when I hear that slogan...

Hopefully he doesn't bust like the person that was the motivation for that slogan

is which risks are worth taking. So, turning back to that top 20 passers chart, you tell me which is more likely for the Redskins: drafting a successful quarterback in the first round, or grabbing another body or two off the scrap pile and seeing if things will be different this time

But drafting RGIII or picking from the "scrap pile" aren't the only two options....Tannehill, Weeden, etc., there are other players available that will turn out to be good NFL qbs.

Countertrey wrote:

There you go, Hogster... Safe flight!

Awesome!

Hopefully he doesn't have to deal with the kind of *sh$t* the originator of that slogan has.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

In support of that, the Rams know that even if we manage to improve the overall team we're probably going to start a rookie QB. Even if he's as good as hoped, he's going to struggle as a rookie.

And yet, when I made the same argument in another thread, you panned me for being unrealistic.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

is which risks are worth taking. So, turning back to that top 20 passers chart, you tell me which is more likely for the Redskins: drafting a successful quarterback in the first round, or grabbing another body or two off the scrap pile and seeing if things will be different this time

But drafting RGIII or picking from the "scrap pile" aren't the only two options....Tannehill, Weeden, etc., there are other players available that will turn out to be good NFL qbs.

I'm only addressing frankcal's argument that we should be extra cautious about drafting a QB in the 1st round (which in this case would include Tannehill and maybe Weeden) just because they are "unproven."

Deadskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:If Im St Louis, I'd rather have the Skins 2013 1st. Than Cle's 2012 22nd

In support of that, the Rams know that even if we manage to improve the overall team we're probably going to start a rookie QB. Even if he's as good as hoped, he's going to struggle as a rookie.

And yet, when I made the same argument in another thread, you panned me for being unrealistic.

Realistically, our first next year isn't going to get the trade value that Cleveland's first will this year. I took this as a more esoteric discussion of which is likely to end up being a higher pick. In the other thread, I was far more specific that teams don't like to give credit without compensation and they don't like the unknown (where they will pick next year).

That the Rams like the idea of having our pick next year won't change they will want to be compensated for waiting a year and not knowing which pick they will get. That was the point I made in the other thread, and it stands.