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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:01 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
aswas71788 wrote:There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year.
That's arguable and definitely not a sure thing. The guys that opted to return to school weren't going to be taken ahead of RGIII this year. Although they were close in projected talent, and any team would have been satisfied with taking them, they weren't head and shoulders above him. Hell, it's arguable that RGIII should be taken ahead of Andrew Luck.
aswas71788 wrote: It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
That's assuming that we're in position to draft one of these QB's that you covet next year. There's the chance we could be in a worse position than we are in now to land them... If they think RGIII is their guy, they need to get him. If he isn't, then don't.
I disagree about Snyder. He needs to stay out of it. There's no need for his involvement, at all. He's not a talent evaluator, he doesn't know what he's doing and with the rookie wage scale, his wallet is NOT needed. Send him to the moon for the weekend.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:02 pm
by HarleyHog
aswas71788 wrote:Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
I don't follow collegiate football very closely. Who are the better qbs that will be available next year?
Hopefully we won't be in as prime a position to trade up next year, so this may be the best time to make a move.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:02 pm
by SouthLondonRedskin
aswas71788 wrote:Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
I suspect that may have been the discussion last season....
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:13 pm
by riggofan
Just read this in Clayton's ESPN mailbag today:
A franchise like the Redskins has been waiting for a quarterback to build around and Griffin could resolve its needs for the next decade. But Manning could make the team better in the short term faster if he signs with the Redskins.
Given both options, is this even debatable?
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:14 pm
by tribeofjudah
SouthLondonRedskin wrote:riggofan wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:riggofan wrote:
Also, I know Fisher and Shanny are friends, but I don't get where people think that he is going to cut us a deal as a result. Why would he and why would the Rams org. be ok with that? It might give us an edge in the negotiation part, but that's about it.
If the Skins and Browns are offering similiar packages, I'm sure he'll give his friend the deal before someone else. Even if it's a slight difference in what we offer, if he's like most people, he'll give his friend the offer anyway.
I see what you're saying. I guess that could be true if the packages are similar in value. Like the Browns offer their two #1s this year and #3 next year vs. we offer a #1/#2 and next year's #1 or something. Its possible. I was just saying I don't think we're going to get any kind of best-pal-discount on the trade. We still have to make as strong an offer as any other team.
The real advantage I see is that Shanahan maybe has a better line of communication with Fisher because of their friendship. They could be talking about potential deals way before any other teams have a chance. Fisher could also be giving him a heads up on what other teams are offering, who else is in play, etc;
Forgive me, last year was the first time we got to watch the draft over here so I'm a little hazy on the politics of some of it.
So how does it work in our situation...? If Shanny and Fisher agreed to something it wouldn't be announced until the time would it...??? Or can we deal with them now and make an agreement that could be announced in advance of the draft...??
It's called "tampering".....kinda like what happened with Haynesworth (allegedly tampering before due time....)
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:17 pm
by tribeofjudah
riggofan wrote:Just read this in Clayton's ESPN mailbag today:
A franchise like the Redskins has been waiting for a quarterback to build around and Griffin could resolve its needs for the next decade. But Manning could make the team better in the short term faster if he signs with the Redskins.
Given both options, is this even debatable?
Another writer noted that Peyton is not going to WANT to play vs. his brother 2x a year..... point taken.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:19 pm
by tribeofjudah
aswas71788 wrote:Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
Strike whilst the IRON is HOT....!!! (English version)
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:14 pm
by Jeremy81
Chris Luva Luva wrote:riggofan wrote:
Also, I know Fisher and Shanny are friends, but I don't get where people think that he is going to cut us a deal as a result. Why would he and why would the Rams org. be ok with that? It might give us an edge in the negotiation part, but that's about it.
If the Skins and Browns are offering similiar packages, I'm sure he'll give his friend the deal before someone else. Even if it's a slight difference in what we offer, if he's like most people, he'll give his friend the offer anyway.
If im fisher and the two offers are similar, and I believe griffin will be as good as most do, the deal goes to the afc team before it goes to a friend in the same conference
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:16 pm
by Jeremy81
Chris Luva Luva wrote:aswas71788 wrote:There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year.
That's arguable and definitely not a sure thing. The guys that opted to return to school weren't going to be taken ahead of RGIII this year. Although they were close in projected talent, and any team would have been satisfied with taking them, they weren't head and shoulders above him. Hell, it's arguable that RGIII should be taken ahead of Andrew Luck.
aswas71788 wrote: It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
That's assuming that we're in position to draft one of these QB's that you covet next year. There's the chance we could be in a worse position than we are in now to land them... If they think RGIII is their guy, they need to get him. If he isn't, then don't.
I disagree about Snyder. He needs to stay out of it. There's no need for his involvement, at all. He's not a talent evaluator, he doesn't know what he's doing and with the rookie wage scale, his wallet is NOT needed. Send him to the moon for the weekend.
I couldn't agree more about snyder...his input is not needed.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:17 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Jeremy81 wrote:If im fisher and the two offers are similar, and I believe griffin will be as good as most do, the deal goes to the afc team before it goes to a friend in the same conference
If it we were in the same division, I'd agree. But being that either rarely plays each other, i don't think it's too much of a factor.
If I'm Fisher, I make the trade to the friend and I'm confident enough in my ability and my team that we'll beat them if we see them. #shrug
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:19 pm
by Countertrey
aswas71788 wrote:Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
Well... it would be good to note that there have been several of us who have been on the RGIII train for quite a while... we have been sold on him for a while... long before the hype started, long before he became a Heisman candidate. The media are the bandwagoners... The Colts have it right... Luck is the best quarterback, largeley because he is the prototypical NFL-ready quarterback. But, Griffin is not far behind, and, ultimately, will be the most difficult of the two to build a defensive game plan against.
If he is in B&G next fall, I believe that, within 2 years, he will become the first true top-tier quarterback on this team since Sonny.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:34 pm
by SkinsJock
^^^ I'd agree with that assessment trey - well put
there have been a number of fans here - btw NOT me - that have been singing the praises of RGIII for over 3 months now
I have not been an advocate of giving up a lot of draft picks and have been in favor of continuing the process that Mike & Bruce have started with the Shanaplan
I feel that too many fans just want a quick fix where I'd rather have it take time and be done properly
DESPITE the record - this FO has added a number of good young players and we are DEFINETLY headed in the right direction
HOWEVER - I now am of the mind that we can AND should get RGIII
even though the price will mean that we are not as good for a few years, we will have one of the best QBs in the NFL for many years to come
IF we don't get RGIII we might still end up with a QB that is ALSO great for many years to come ..... just NOT as quickly
THE MAIN THING IS ......... RGIII CAN BE A REDSKIN ........ NOW
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:54 pm
by GoSkins
Countertrey wrote:aswas71788 wrote:Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
Well... it would be good to note that there have been several of us who have been on the RGIII train for quite a while... we have been sold on him for a while... long before the hype started, long before he became a Heisman candidate. The media are the bandwagoners... The Colts have it right... Luck is the best quarterback, largeley because he is the prototypical NFL-ready quarterback. But, Griffin is not far behind, and, ultimately, will be the most difficult of the two to build a defensive game plan against.
If he is in B&G next fall, I believe that, within 2 years, he will become the first true top-tier quarterback on this team since Sonny.
God I hope so!
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:59 pm
by SkinsJock
How 'bout this scenario - the Browns find a way to bring in Matt Flynn
we go out and bring in a decent FA QB .... OR maybe even Peyton
everyone knows the Browns don't really want to give up too much to the Rams
so we get RGIII as well
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:06 pm
by chiefhog44
SkinsJock wrote:How 'bout this scenario - the Browns find a way to bring in Matt Flynn
we go out and bring in a decent FA QB .... OR maybe even Peyton
everyone knows the Browns don't really want to give up too much to the Rams
so we get RGIII as well
This is what I've been saying for a while now. Then trade Peyton after a year has shown his arm strength is back to normal for 1st rounder and recoup the one lost in the trade FOR RGIII
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:18 pm
by chiefhog44
Browns are uninterested in trading for RGIII and there could be a mystery team out there?
I don't like all this, but hopefully there isn't much competition.
http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7406/robert-griffin-iii
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:04 pm
by riggofan
Wow our first three 2012 picks and "at least" our 2012 first rounder. Steep! I'd still probably do it. But we would really have to be smart and aggressive in free agency to address WR, CB and o-line. Probably safety too. Do-able?
I wonder if the mystery team might be Philadelphia? I saw that they surprised people by interviewing RGIII at the combine. Check this out:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1082 ... -for-rgiiiA recent blog post by Sheil Kapadia of Philly.com gave some great insight into the Eagles' thought process amid speculation that they are one of the "mystery teams" trying to move up in the draft to select Robert Griffin III.
As Kapadia mentions, if the Eagles wanted to move up to select Griffin, they would have a good chance at doing so. The Eagles have been blessed with a bounty of draft picks once again, a recurring theme under Andy Reid.
Given the team's current quarterback situation, many would write off the Eagles as a possible landing spot for Griffin. But history would disagree with that.
Andy Reid has a love affair with quarterbacks, especially good ones. Griffin showed everyone at the combine that he's the real deal, not only in the skills department, but also with the media. Griffin's poise and intelligence are factors that boost his stock even higher, especially with an organization like the Eagles who prize professionalism and responsibility more than the average team.
The Eagles hold the 15th overall selection in the draft, as well as two second-round selections, thanks in part to the Kevin Kolb trade last July.
So, given the Eagles hefty amount of ammunition, it's a possibility that they could take a shot at changing the face of their franchise this coming April.
Yes, they did just give Michael Vick a brand new six-year, $100 million contract last offseason, but his struggles in 2011 may be cause for concern. Vick's inconsistencies throwing the ball coupled with his risky style of play could have Andy Reid and the front office evaluating the long-term potential of their signal caller. It may feel impossible, but the Eagles have shown that they are not a risk-averse franchise.
Packaging Vick with a first or second-round pick, or a combination of the three, could turn heads at the draft, especially with most of the talk surrounding the Redskins, Dolphins and Browns at this time.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:59 pm
by SkinsJock
2 things have been VERY clear for months
1 - it's going to take a whole bunch of picks - and many here have been advocating that while we don't want to be stupid - we need RGIII
2 - in order, the teams that could get RGIII if they want are the Browns and then the Redskins
IF this FO wants RGIII, they can get him provided the Browns don't want to use their leverage
The Eagles are not close on the pecking order
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:06 pm
by GoSkins
I imagine some teams, who really don't need a QB but want to screw us, will blow smoke at the Rams.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:24 pm
by SkinsJock
GoSkins wrote:I imagine some teams, who really don't need a QB but want to screw us, will blow smoke at the Rams.
you are aware that Fisher and Shanahan are very good friends
IF the Redskins really want RGIII and the Browns do not want to beat our offer ............ there's no doubt
RGIII WILL BE A REDSKIN
I'm STIFF FOR GRIFF
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:28 pm
by aswas71788
Countertrey wrote:aswas71788 wrote:Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
Well... it would be good to note that there have been several of us who have been on the RGIII train for quite a while... we have been sold on him for a while... long before the hype started, long before he became a Heisman candidate. The media are the bandwagoners... The Colts have it right... Luck is the best quarterback, largeley because he is the prototypical NFL-ready quarterback. But, Griffin is not far behind, and, ultimately, will be the most difficult of the two to build a defensive game plan against.
If he is in B&G next fall, I believe that, within 2 years, he will become the first true top-tier quarterback on this team since Sonny.
I am just not a fan of trading away that many draft picks for one player, regardless of who he is or what position he plays. This is one of those things that if the Redskins do it and it works out, no one will begrudge the lost draft picks. If RGIII is a failure, someone's head will roll and the fans will bemoan the lost draft picks.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:09 pm
by DarthMonk
SkinsJock wrote:I'm STIFF FOR GRIFF
I'll be very forgivin' if we go sniffin' for Griffin.
I have no misgivin' for trading up for Griffin.
And iffin' we play the Cowgirls on Thanksgivin' I'd much rather do so with Griffin.
Let's hope all our competition is whiffin' when they offer up picks for Griffin.
If you haven't noticed I'm smitten and startin' to stiffen.
If I thought it would help I'd hire Lane Kiffin.
DarthMonk
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:12 pm
by Countertrey
aswas71788 wrote:Countertrey wrote:aswas71788 wrote:Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.
Well... it would be good to note that there have been several of us who have been on the RGIII train for quite a while... we have been sold on him for a while... long before the hype started, long before he became a Heisman candidate. The media are the bandwagoners... The Colts have it right... Luck is the best quarterback, largeley because he is the prototypical NFL-ready quarterback. But, Griffin is not far behind, and, ultimately, will be the most difficult of the two to build a defensive game plan against.
If he is in B&G next fall, I believe that, within 2 years, he will become the first true top-tier quarterback on this team since Sonny.
I am just not a fan of trading away that many draft picks for one player, regardless of who he is or what position he plays. This is one of those things that if the Redskins do it and it works out, no one will begrudge the lost draft picks. If RGIII is a failure, someone's head will roll and the fans will bemoan the lost draft picks.
Sooo... refresh my memory... just how many picks did I say we would use?
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:31 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
aswas71788 wrote:I am just not a fan of trading away that many draft picks for one player, regardless of who he is or what position he plays
You need to check out more the reality of what teams get with those picks because the chance to draft elite QB's doesn't come along very often. Look at the teams that have elite QB's, you seriously think what they would get for those picks isn't worth an elite QB? Seriously?
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:32 pm
by jmooney
If this report is accurate, thats pretty high for an opening bid. I'd love to have the guy but, this is the limit on what I would spend.
We're still more than a QB away, and giving away these pick severely reduces the likelyhood that we will aquire another "game-changing" starter for the next 2 years.
At the very least, we must hang on to our 2nd and 3rd next year.