What should the Redskins do about WR?

[SkinsJock]

We will add a FA QB - hopefully we also draft a QB

Be surprising if they don't add a receiver - hopefully young but MORE importantly, a player with good work ethics
ALL of these guys have talent and can help our franchise - no more problem players, please


I really expect this FO to add a lot more players through free agency AND the draft
The focus will be to try and stay as young as possible while addressing the critical needs

[Prowl33]

They are both equally as important. A great QB can't be great with a receiver core that either doesn't get open, doesn't have the athletic ability to get to the ball in tough spots, or the hands to catch the ball wherever it may be placed.

Some people think our receiver core is fine now... really it is far from it. Santana is not a #1, he lacks the physicality to hold that position. I think he is still a very viable slot receiver, but thats it. Hankerson deserves a shot next year to compete for a #1 or #2 position, but we got to be ready to bump him down if he doesn't cut it, with great receivers in FA, and some draft options, if we can find a better fit for our #1 and #2 receiver, we owe it to ourselves to do that.

Last is we have 2 great tight ends in Cooley and Davis. So whatever we do for QB and WR, we should, I believe, keep to this 2 TE system. It is our strength, and it will only benefit us in the pass game, and 2TE sets really help set up the run game as well.

We are literally only steps away from a top 10 (or higher) ranked offense next season. We just got to take the right steps

[skinsfan#33]

They are both equally as important. A great QB can't be great with a receiver core that either doesn't get open, doesn't have the athletic ability to get to the ball in tough spots, or the hands to catch the ball wherever it may be placed.

I disagree, WRs are the least important possition on offense and are no where on par with QB.

If you have a great QB and an OL that provides adequate protection, then you have a passing game. I don't care who your receivers are, if you have a smart accurate QB and he gets s little time he will shred defenses.

I don't care if you have PB WRs at every spot, if you have a inconsistent QB your offense will never be great. Sure there would he 1/4's our even games where the offense is very good, but they will never be confidant.

Think of the great recievers the Skins had in the 80's' The team was only dominant when they got good QB play.

Tom Brady won three SBs with virtually no hellbent at WR. He was one hail mary passs away from winning this past SB with almost no hellbent at WR.

The Saints WRs are nothing special and neither are the Packers (although, they are defiantly the best of those three teams)!

The Giants WRs aren't anything special either.

[skinsfan#33]

They are both equally as important. A great QB can't be great with a receiver core that either doesn't get open, doesn't have the athletic ability to get to the ball in tough spots, or the hands to catch the ball wherever it may be placed.

I disagree, WRs are the least important possition on offense and are no where on par with QB.

If you have a great QB and an OL that provides adequate protection, then you have a passing game. I don't care who your receivers are, if you have a smart accurate QB and he gets s little time he will shred defenses.

I don't care if you have PB WRs at every spot, if you have a inconsistent QB your offense will never be great. Sure there would he 1/4's our even games where the offense is very good, but they will never be confidant.

Think of the great recievers the Skins had in the 80's' The team was only dominant when they got good QB play.

Tom Brady won three SBs with virtually no hellbent at WR. He was one hail mary passs away from winning this past SB with almost no hellbent at WR.

The Saints WRs are nothing special and neither are the Packers (although, they are defiantly the best of those three teams)!

The Giants WRs aren't anything special either.

[CanesSkins26]

The Saints WRs are nothing special and neither are the Packers (although, they are defiantly the best of those three teams)!

The Giants WRs aren't anything special either.

Total nonsense.

[Prowl33]

Brady has had success with a full cast of receivers and tight ends.

Drew Breese has a good cast of wide receivers that know how to fight for the ball and can catch it in whatever window he has to put it in

The Giants have good quality wide outs as well.

Look at Peyton and Wayne, look back to Aikman and Irvin, Young and Rice.

The receiver core is very important, you dont need a NFL MVP, although that helps, but what you need is a consistent group that you can trust to catch that ball you put in a tight spot, and be the only one in position to catch it.

Being accurate is only 1/2 the equation, a good receiver knows where to put himself, and how to play his defender to give his QB that 1 spot to deliver the ball, THEN you need the QB that can put it in that 1 spot.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Being accurate is only 1/2 the equation, a good receiver knows where to put himself, and how to play his defender to give his QB that 1 spot to deliver the ball, THEN you need the QB that can put it in that 1 spot.

I'll tell you what, there's a lot of QB's that get bailed out by having a great WR. How accurate do you really need to be with a talented and tall WR? That's not to take anything away from your post. I'm just saying that having a tall WR helps a lot! Didn't Hankerson get hurt during an endzone play? The Redskins have already shown us that they're gonna use those big bodies when we get down there. I can't wait to see who they get.

[langleyparkjoe]

Definitely don't want some thug like Jackson on this team.

PAGING STORMINMORMON86... where are you dude?

What exactly makes DJ a thug?

I don't want him here, looks like he was relaxing on plays last year.. but I'm curious to know in your eyes what makes him a thug.

My people in PA (noted that I have co-workers up there) have said nothing but positive things about the kid off the field.

Funny, I wonder if you saw me would you think I'm a thug too?

<-- actual picture, I look thugish wit my shades?

[skinsfan#33]

The Saints WRs are nothing special and neither are the Packers (although, they are defiantly the best of those three teams)!

The Giants WRs aren't anything special either.

Total nonsense.

What because you say so? You have your opinion, I have mine.

Which WR on those teams would be great on our team? They are good because of the team they are on and more importantly the QB who is throwing them the ball.

Would Victor Cruse been anything special on the Skins? I think not! The Saints don't have a single great WR! Colston is good, but nothing special.

No, your reply was nonsense!

[CanesSkins26]

The Saints WRs are nothing special and neither are the Packers (although, they are defiantly the best of those three teams)!

The Giants WRs aren't anything special either.

Total nonsense.

What because you say so? You have your opinion, I have mine.

Which WR on those teams would be great on our team? They are good because of the team they are on and more importantly the QB who is throwing them the ball.

Would Victor Cruse been anything special on the Skins? I think not! The Saints don't have a single great WR! Colston is good, but nothing special.

No, your reply was nonsense!

Your opinion on wide receivers is useless. You undervalue the position in general and now are undervaluing individual receivers because you dont think that their position is very important.

Yes, Cruz would be special on the Redskins. He would be the big play, deep threat that we currently don't have. 1536 yards and 9 tds is no fluke. By comparison, no Redskins receiver has EVER eclipsed 1,500 yards. Yea, nothing special

Ever heard of a guy named Greg Jennings? Total stud. Even before Rodgers started dominating he was putting up big numbers.

Colston is good, but nothing special? Have you ever actually seen him play? 6 years in the NFL and 5 years of 1000 yards or more. The one year he didn't go over 1000 he was on pace to do it but got hurt. It's a good thing we don't have a guy like that clogging up our roster.

Hakeem Nicks...back to back 1000 yard seasons.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[The Hogster]

Why is DeSean Jackson a thug?

I'll answer because I'm sure he cannot. People who have never been around real "thugs" have a tendency to call pro athletes with questionable maturity "thugs."

They can't help it. It's unintentional on their part.

It's not unintentional, it's more like what emoses14 said.... it's absolutely intentional but that's because most of them (like you said) have never been around real "thugs".

+1

[PickSixerTWSS]

Total nonsense.

What because you say so? You have your opinion, I have mine.

Which WR on those teams would be great on our team? They are good because of the team they are on and more importantly the QB who is throwing them the ball.

Would Victor Cruse been anything special on the Skins? I think not! The Saints don't have a single great WR! Colston is good, but nothing special.

No, your reply was nonsense!

Your opinion on wide receivers is useless. You undervalue the position in general and now are undervaluing individual receivers because you dont think that their position is very important.

Yes, Cruz would be special on the Redskins. He would be the big play, deep threat that we currently don't have. 1536 yards and 9 tds is no fluke. By comparison, no Redskins receiver has EVER eclipsed 1,500 yards. Yea, nothing special

Ever heard of a guy named Greg Jennings? Total stud. Even before Rodgers started dominating he was putting up big numbers.

Colston is good, but nothing special? Have you ever actually seen him play? 6 years in the NFL and 5 years of 1000 yards or more. The one year he didn't go over 1000 he was on pace to do it but got hurt. It's a good thing we don't have a guy like that clogging up our roster.

Hakeem Nicks...back to back 1000 yard seasons.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I agree with you with Colston, Jennings, Hakkem, Cruz, but I want to know what's your opinion on Jordy Nelson, Special talent or increaed player by Rodgers' Play?

[skinsfan#33]

Total nonsense.

What because you say so? You have your opinion, I have mine.

Which WR on those teams would be great on our team? They are good because of the team they are on and more importantly the QB who is throwing them the ball.

Would Victor Cruse been anything special on the Skins? I think not! The Saints don't have a single great WR! Colston is good, but nothing special.

No, your reply was nonsense!

Your opinion on wide receivers is useless. You undervalue the position in general and now are undervaluing individual receivers because you dont think that their position is very important.

Yes, Cruz would be special on the Redskins. He would be the big play, deep threat that we currently don't have. 1536 yards and 9 tds is no fluke. By comparison, no Redskins receiver has EVER eclipsed 1,500 yards. Yea, nothing special

Ever heard of a guy named Greg Jennings? Total stud. Even before Rodgers started dominating he was putting up big numbers.

Colston is good, but nothing special? Have you ever actually seen him play? 6 years in the NFL and 5 years of 1000 yards or more. The one year he didn't go over 1000 he was on pace to do it but got hurt. It's a good thing we don't have a guy like that clogging up our roster.

Hakeem Nicks...back to back 1000 yard seasons.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I may under value the position some but two things are definite. You over value the possition and I have a better idea of what I'm talking about than you do.

You brought up Jennings and called him a stud and said he was putting up big numbers before Rodgers. You said it like he had some bum tossing him passes before Mr. Discount Doublecheck came to GB. I seem to remember some guy by the name of Favre being there and he was pretty good too. Maybe you've heard of him.

Jennings in his six seasons with GB has caught 389 passes for 6171 yards. On Santana's first six years with the Skins he posted 442 catches for 29 fewer yards. Tana has had fewer TDs, but if you factor in the in diferense in QBs (GB; two great, possibly future HoF QBs and the Skins had Brunell, JC, Rex, and McRib. The advantage is overwhelmingly on Jennings side) you could make a case that Moss is the better of the two.

Notes for Cruze. Over 900 of his yards were YAC. An amazing stat, but do you think he woulda have had half as much YAC with Rex throwing him the ball? If you do, I have some beach front property on Arizona that I would like to sell you! I think VC will end up being something special, but he needs to do it got more than a year for me to go there, because Tana had a year (2005) that was within a stones throw, stats wise, to what Cruze had last year and that didn't make him special.

You can disagree with me all you want, it doesn't make me wrong.

By the way, if Jordy Nelson can back up last year's performance with another performance like it next year or if Cruze does than I would be willing to call them special. But that still doesn't change the fact that great WRs don't impact the game nearly as much as great QB play!

[The Hogster]

What because you say so? You have your opinion, I have mine.

Which WR on those teams would be great on our team? They are good because of the team they are on and more importantly the QB who is throwing them the ball.

Would Victor Cruse been anything special on the Skins? I think not! The Saints don't have a single great WR! Colston is good, but nothing special.

No, your reply was nonsense!

Your opinion on wide receivers is useless. You undervalue the position in general and now are undervaluing individual receivers because you dont think that their position is very important.

Yes, Cruz would be special on the Redskins. He would be the big play, deep threat that we currently don't have. 1536 yards and 9 tds is no fluke. By comparison, no Redskins receiver has EVER eclipsed 1,500 yards. Yea, nothing special

Ever heard of a guy named Greg Jennings? Total stud. Even before Rodgers started dominating he was putting up big numbers.

Colston is good, but nothing special? Have you ever actually seen him play? 6 years in the NFL and 5 years of 1000 yards or more. The one year he didn't go over 1000 he was on pace to do it but got hurt. It's a good thing we don't have a guy like that clogging up our roster.

Hakeem Nicks...back to back 1000 yard seasons.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I may under value the position some but two things are definite. You over value the possition and I have a better idea of what I'm talking about than you do.

You brought up Jennings and called him a stud and said he was putting up big numbers before Rodgers. You said it like he had some bum tossing him passes before Mr. Discount Doublecheck came to GB. I seem to remember some guy by the name of Favre being there and he was pretty good too. Maybe you've heard of him.

Jennings in his six seasons with GB has caught 389 passes for 6171 yards. On Santana's first six years with the Skins he posted 442 catches for 29 fewer yards. Tana has had fewer TDs, but if you factor in the in diferense in QBs (GB; two great, possibly future HoF QBs and the Skins had Brunell, JC, Rex, and McRib. The advantage is overwhelmingly on Jennings side) you could make a case that Moss is the better of the two.

Notes for Cruze. Over 900 of his yards were YAC. An amazing stat, but do you think he woulda have had half as much YAC with Rex throwing him the ball? If you do, I have some beach front property on Arizona that I would like to sell you! I think VC will end up being something special, but he needs to do it got more than a year for me to go there, because Tana had a year (2005) that was within a stones throw, stats wise, to what Cruze had last year and that didn't make him special.

You can disagree with me all you want, it doesn't make me wrong.

By the way, if Jordy Nelson can back up last year's performance with another performance like it next year or if Cruze does than I would be willing to call them special. But that still doesn't change the fact that great WRs don't impact the game nearly as much as great QB play!

Agree with Skinsfan33 on this one.

[CanesSkins26]

But that still doesn't change the fact that great WRs don't impact the game nearly as much as great QB play!

Who made the argument that WRs impact the game as much or more than qbs? I certainly didn't.

[CanesSkins26]

You brought up Jennings and called him a stud and said he was putting up big numbers before Rodgers. You said it like he had some bum tossing him passes before Mr. Discount Doublecheck came to GB. I seem to remember some guy by the name of Favre being there and he was pretty good too. Maybe you've heard of him.

Look at Favre's numbers in 2005 and 2006. Mediocre at best. In 2007 he had a resurgent year. It also coincides with Jenning's being in his second year in the NFL. Rodgers is a GREAT qb no doubt, but having a stud like Jennings to throw to certainly helped him when he became a starter in 2008.

Jennings in his six seasons with GB has caught 389 passes for 6171 yards. On Santana's first six years with the Skins he posted 442 catches for 29 fewer yards. Tana has had fewer TDs, but if you factor in the in diferense in QBs (GB; two great, possibly future HoF QBs and the Skins had Brunell, JC, Rex, and McRib. The advantage is overwhelmingly on Jennings side) you could make a case that Moss is the better of the two.

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I would argue that in his prime Moss was also a stud. So what's your point?

Notes for Cruze. Over 900 of his yards were YAC. An amazing stat, but do you think he woulda have had half as much YAC with Rex throwing him the ball? If you do, I have some beach front property on Arizona that I would like to sell you! I think VC will end up being something special, but he needs to do it got more than a year for me to go there, because Tana had a year (2005) that was within a stones throw, stats wise, to what Cruze had last year and that didn't make him special.

Cruz topped Moss' career year as a rookie. If you don't think that 1,500 yards for a first-time starter is impressive, I don't know what to tell you. Would he have had over 1,500 yards with Rex? Probably not? Would he be the most explosive wide receiver and a game changer on the Skins? Absolutely. Anthony Armstrong put up over 800 yards with Grossman and Cruz is infinitely better than he is.

I see that you're now completely ignoring your claim that Colston and his 5 1000 yard seasons in 6 years is "nothing special".

[skinsfan#33]

You brought up Jennings and called him a stud and said he was putting up big numbers before Rodgers. You said it like he had some bum tossing him passes before Mr. Discount Doublecheck came to GB. I seem to remember some guy by the name of Favre being there and he was pretty good too. Maybe you've heard of him.

Look at Favre's numbers in 2005 and 2006. Mediocre at best. In 2007 he had a resurgent year. It also coincides with Jenning's being in his second year in the NFL. Rodgers is a GREAT qb no doubt, but having a stud like Jennings to throw to certainly helped him when he became a starter in 2008.

Jennings in his six seasons with GB has caught 389 passes for 6171 yards. On Santana's first six years with the Skins he posted 442 catches for 29 fewer yards. Tana has had fewer TDs, but if you factor in the in diferense in QBs (GB; two great, possibly future HoF QBs and the Skins had Brunell, JC, Rex, and McRib. The advantage is overwhelmingly on Jennings side) you could make a case that Moss is the better of the two.

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I would argue that in his prime Moss was also a stud. So what's your point?

Notes for Cruze. Over 900 of his yards were YAC. An amazing stat, but do you think he woulda have had half as much YAC with Rex throwing him the ball? If you do, I have some beach front property on Arizona that I would like to sell you! I think VC will end up being something special, but he needs to do it got more than a year for me to go there, because Tana had a year (2005) that was within a stones throw, stats wise, to what Cruze had last year and that didn't make him special.

Cruz topped Moss' career year as a rookie. If you don't think that 1,500 yards for a first-time starter is impressive, I don't know what to tell you. Would he have had over 1,500 yards with Rex? Probably not? Would he be the most explosive wide receiver and a game changer on the Skins? Absolutely. Anthony Armstrong put up over 800 yards with Grossman and Cruz is infinitely better than he is.

I see that you're now completely ignoring your claim that Colston and his 5 1000 yard seasons in 6 years is "nothing special".

You are the first fan that I have heard that said Moss in his prime was a stud. I have always felt, until last yea, that Tana was a good #1 WR, but most people would have cajoled me crazy! By the way, the six year stretch I was pointing to was Tana's first six (AKA, the six before last year).

He looks like father time had got him on the ropes and I wouldn't have said that at the beginning of last year.

Your right, Favre didn't have good 2005-06 seasons. What's your point. 2006 is also when Mike McCarthy became GB's HC.

There is no way of telling how good AAA would be on the Giants, just like there is no way to know how good Cruze woulda be on the Skins!

Colston's six years with the Saints have been almost identical to those first six years Moss had with us. Sure he had five 1000 yard seasons vs Moss' three, but he never had a big year like Tana did, but their totals are very close.

I wouldn't have every called Moss special or a stud and he didn't have Drew Breese as his QB! Vision is good, maybe even very good, but not special. Of course that IMHO, you may agree or not. I don't really care.

At this point we should just agree to disagree.

[Redskin in Canada]

I have HOGNOSTICATED that the Skins pick Blackmon with the sixth pick.